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Replying To numberedjerseys: "I taut it was Colm Coyle that bounced the ball over the bar in 1991" that was 96.. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 26/02/2017 20:24:22 1961243 Link
Replying To numberedjerseys: "I taut it was Colm Coyle that bounced the ball over the bar in 1991" No that was 96, 91 was gillick royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/02/2017 20:43:10 1961257 Link
Replying To bert09: "Here's your anthem RD https://youtu.be/SJUhlRoBL8M" Exactly lol. Way I look at it enough people knocking us without knocking our own , trust me look even at this forum how many posters are on here with their glee at our loss, nothing wrong with constructive criticism it's knocking for sake of it that annoys me (btw not included you or majority on here) just alot of newish posters who never have anything good to say about us and claiming to be from Meath also. I find it very odd. I have mentioned a few things wrong with last eve performance but I never knock just cause I feel like it. Again not includi royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/02/2017 20:52:54 1961265 Link
Replying To ziggy32001: "that was 96.." There's only so much a manager can do to be honest. We have only 3 top drawer players. Keoghan, Reilly and O'Sullivan. And even then they aren't consistent enough to carry the rest of the team. If we're to be contenders again I'd say we'll need at least 5 more players to be of that quality. Maybe some of other young lads can up their game to be of that quality but too soon to see that from them perhaps. That said we'd have scored little without Lenihan last night. He deserves fair bit of credit for that. LoyalRoyal (None) - Posts: 465 - 26/02/2017 20:56:40 1961275 Link
Replying To LoyalRoyal: "There's only so much a manager can do to be honest. We have only 3 top drawer players. Keoghan, Reilly and O'Sullivan. And even then they aren't consistent enough to carry the rest of the team. If we're to be contenders again I'd say we'll need at least 5 more players to be of that quality. Maybe some of other young lads can up their game to be of that quality but too soon to see that from them perhaps. That said we'd have scored little without Lenihan last night. He deserves fair bit of credit for that." As you said we need other lads from top drawer to come up. Like you ID say Reilly O'Sullivan and keoghan are in that bracket, believe it or not I think Menton fits the bill but is having to be in middle and it's just not working out. Conlon Tobin harnan Newman wil add to team. But when will they be back? royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/02/2017 21:40:48 1961319 Link
Replying To LoyalRoyal: "There's only so much a manager can do to be honest. We have only 3 top drawer players. Keoghan, Reilly and O'Sullivan. And even then they aren't consistent enough to carry the rest of the team. If we're to be contenders again I'd say we'll need at least 5 more players to be of that quality. Maybe some of other young lads can up their game to be of that quality but too soon to see that from them perhaps. That said we'd have scored little without Lenihan last night. He deserves fair bit of credit for that." Keoghan and O'Sullivan are certainly top quality. Keoghan would get into any county team I don't believe Reilly would! He is good but as you said inconsistent - even within a single game he goes in and out! If he can maintain his standard for a full game and then a few games in a row he would be top class! I think the management team are still trying to find their best set up and the best players to fit into it! Hopefully they can get a few wins over the next few weeks and avoid relegation - Galway will be tough but maybe the home game will help! Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 518 - 26/02/2017 21:48:05 1961322 Link
Replying To Royalblufill: "Keoghan and O'Sullivan are certainly top quality. Keoghan would get into any county team I don't believe Reilly would! He is good but as you said inconsistent - even within a single game he goes in and out! If he can maintain his standard for a full game and then a few games in a row he would be top class! I think the management team are still trying to find their best set up and the best players to fit into it! Hopefully they can get a few wins over the next few weeks and avoid relegation - Galway will be tough but maybe the home game will help!" You do know Reilly has been the most consistent player this year? Keoghan was in and out so far this year royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/02/2017 22:52:15 1961352 Link
Eh how ? He was terrible yesterday didn't play v Derry and the less said about the Kildare game the better ! Royaldunne honesty you never cease to amaze? And before you ask not one of them has been consistent this year! grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1176 - 26/02/2017 23:33:18 1961372 Link
Replying To numberedjerseys: "I taut it was Colm Coyle that bounced the ball over the bar in 1991" Thst was 96.it was gillic in 91 under the Hogan oleary looked stuck it nearly crept in. Kc77 (Meath) - Posts: 36 - 27/02/2017 03:45:19 1961395 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "You do know Reilly has been the most consistent player this year? Keoghan was in and out so far this year" royaldunne that is an outrageous statement, he might be our most gifted player but too often he goes hiding when the going gets tough. ive heard excuses about being doublemarked etc.. but if he wanted to know about it he'd demand the ball all the time. the only time ive seen him play consistently this year was in the club final last week srgt_slaughter (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 27/02/2017 08:59:25 1961417 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Exactly lol. Way I look at it enough people knocking us without knocking our own , trust me look even at this forum how many posters are on here with their glee at our loss, nothing wrong with constructive criticism it's knocking for sake of it that annoys me (btw not included you or majority on here) just alot of newish posters who never have anything good to say about us and claiming to be from Meath also. I find it very odd. I have mentioned a few things wrong with last eve performance but I never knock just cause I feel like it. Again not includi" nobody wants to knock the team, its frustration at seeing them not put in a shift for their county. i agree that the manager can only do so much and he will need time to build a team but we still should have come away with a win in newry. From start to finish we we're 2nd fiddle. basicaly the team went up there full of arrogance because of downs poor record and didnt take them seriously like id say most supporters here thought even if they wont admit it. now im hopeful they can raise their game now and play above themselves against galway but fermanagh is now a must win game srgt_slaughter (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 27/02/2017 09:04:47 1961421 Link
Having watched the game against Down over again this is my summary. 1. Full back line were reasonable. Maybe O Coileann was caught out a few times but that is to be expected when he is not used to playing there. 2. Half back line was poor all three of them. 3. Midfield broke even. Didn't catch much ball but neither did Down. Also midfielders had the Down half back line to contend with attacking at will with nobody tracking them. 4. Half forward line was poor. Alan Forde had a poor day by his standards, O Sullivan should not have been played with broken nose and O Brien was poor. Down No. 5 and No. 7 were the two best players on the pitch. 5. Full forward line . Lenihan played well. Biggy looked tired and Brian Sheridan was largely ineffective but the ball lumped in to him was terrible. Oh and POR made his customary errors costing a couple of points. These issues need to be addressed for Galway game. subzero (Meath) - Posts: 69 - 27/02/2017 09:27:51 1961426 Link
OMG , guys its not down to a single player not playing well. That's our main issue here and its been said numerous times . We do not appear to have players of a high enough standard that can compete consistently at this level . We're talking Div 2 after all . When we have a bad day , and unfortunately these are more common at present , we look at the individuals that make up the team instead of the team as a whole . If player (A) , who every one alludes to as been the best player on the team has a bad game , then its up to the team mates ( B's) around them to carry the day . We don't appear to have that level of player on the squad . Flash's of brilliance are not indications of brilliance . They are just the culmination of someone that has done something for a short period of time to the utmost best of their ability ( complete focus , control) . It may not be consistent , because the short period of time that it occurs in drains the abilities of the player doing it , thus they drift out of games . The difference is that a brilliant player can maintain those moments for longer , thus the consistency .Down hadn't won a match for a long time . Three weeks ago they were in turmoil , core players left the panel . Everyone in Down football was in the Doldrums , what's going wrong , we were once such a proud County ..... History . In the space of a week or two they have turned things around . They've cut the legs of a team that most believed had turned a corner after the Derry match ..... Why ... they have a team of players with a skills level high enough so that they can maintain a focus for longer , and attain a level of determination that was enough to overturn a team on the up ( supposedly). Their strength in character when faced with a common task , was immense ..... They bullied , and pushed Meath all over the place . and they attacked Meath , when Meath have appeared the most vulnerable .... right at the start of the game . There's a lot of things to be fixed with this Meath team , and it ain't going to happen in this season. And its not all down to one or two players . Meath_True (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 27/02/2017 09:30:25 1961429 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Exactly lol. Way I look at it enough people knocking us without knocking our own , trust me look even at this forum how many posters are on here with their glee at our loss, nothing wrong with constructive criticism it's knocking for sake of it that annoys me (btw not included you or majority on here) just alot of newish posters who never have anything good to say about us and claiming to be from Meath also. I find it very odd. I have mentioned a few things wrong with last eve performance but I never knock just cause I feel like it. Again not includi" RD , that's all over the place what are you trying to say . People knocking Meath , because there not from Meath , or People from Meath knocking Meath , because they have some sick idea of fun and get their jollies that way . Just put it into simple English . Stop riddling .Say it straight , from the hip .. If its yellow and Quacks like a duck . It's probably a duck . Meath_True (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 27/02/2017 09:47:36 1961437 Link
Royaldunne is going to be mad at this idea, but I think Graham should be left on the bench for a few games. Now I am not blaming him for Meath's losses but I get them impression that many of the Meath players lack vision and then look for the handy option of trying to play the ball to Graham hoping he will do something inspirational. If he isn't on the pitch then they would have to do it themselves. Leaving Graham off might give players confidence in their own ability. Plus it might encourage Graham to be more of a team player. anto_meath (Meath) - Posts: 108 - 27/02/2017 09:48:01 1961438 Link
Replying To anto_meath: "Royaldunne is going to be mad at this idea, but I think Graham should be left on the bench for a few games. Now I am not blaming him for Meath's losses but I get them impression that many of the Meath players lack vision and then look for the handy option of trying to play the ball to Graham hoping he will do something inspirational. If he isn't on the pitch then they would have to do it themselves. Leaving Graham off might give players confidence in their own ability. Plus it might encourage Graham to be more of a team player." I think that's harsh !! He is one of our best players ! Simple as! He has to play.. But I see your point though . grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1176 - 27/02/2017 10:26:15 1961468 Link
Replying To grahamc9897: "I think that's harsh !! He is one of our best players ! Simple as! He has to play.. But I see your point though ." A lot of frantic comments here over the w/e. The reality is that it is most likely a battle for survival now, Clare away will be difficult, can't see us beating Cork and the most recent reliable form line regarding Fermanagh and Galway is last year when we took ONE point from a possible four so lets not get carried away we are in a battle for survival and survive we must because I fear that if we make the drop we may languish there for a while. The last time we were in Division 3 we scrambled back up out of it, depending on other results to go our way I think and in the final itself we were pathetic being completely outplayed by Monaghan. Events the next year proved that we are Division 2 and no more. And its not all down to the individual players but rather the collective approach. We are now packing back but cannot get lads forward at pace and running into threatening positions. Now that is the job of the manager and his aides. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1103 - 27/02/2017 11:32:49 1961510 Link
Replying To MillerX: "A lot of frantic comments here over the w/e. The reality is that it is most likely a battle for survival now, Clare away will be difficult, can't see us beating Cork and the most recent reliable form line regarding Fermanagh and Galway is last year when we took ONE point from a possible four so lets not get carried away we are in a battle for survival and survive we must because I fear that if we make the drop we may languish there for a while. The last time we were in Division 3 we scrambled back up out of it, depending on other results to go our way I think and in the final itself we were pathetic being completely outplayed by Monaghan. Events the next year proved that we are Division 2 and no more. And its not all down to the individual players but rather the collective approach. We are now packing back but cannot get lads forward at pace and running into threatening positions. Now that is the job of the manager and his aides." exactly ...... survival is now a realistic target no more. your last few lines about lads not going forward ,and into positions is as you say down to Management. Breaking ball around the middle ? Kickouts? players bunching in groups? too slow cumbersome play with no progression? Hoofing the ball in as the ONLY option for direct play?...rubbish . Ah Andy you can do better than that,even with limited resourses. Know its a learning curve for you also,but basics are basics ,and be covered in the short time. I want you to stick around . Thanks for taking the job . Thanks for being man enough for not blaming Micko. You have an all mighty task. Dont expect us to remain silent when we see repeated silly shortcomings. You wouldnt either. I know that you would be mature enough to know that just because you are critisised,does not mean that person wants you to go. You know it goes with the territory You are better placed than us keyboard warriors to select players no question. We go by results we see on the pitch. As they say seeing is believing ! nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1276 - 27/02/2017 12:32:54 1961545 Link
Anto_Meath , I don't normally side with you on a lot of things , but if you look at my thread , Its about player (other) development . When you have one General on a team that directs , defeating that teams is a lot easier if just neutralise that General . game set and Match . However when you have a team of Generals it's a lot more difficult . Unfortunately we are not blessed with a team full of generals at present , but they can be developed . And if the best player on your team is a defender , that's not going to win you any games either . It may stop you from losing some but It won't win you many . Likewise if all your attacking focus is on one General , then neutralising your team is quite simple . The problem with this is that these players probably dominate the training session games , week in week out , everything goes thru them .Develop your generals here , so that they know what to do in the game . How about starting at the grass roots and resting the 2-3 players from a number of the practise games during the week , see how the team develops/reacts without the usual fulcrums . Give them speed work or something else to keep them occupied etc . What you do on the training pitch gets repeated on the playing pitch, so unless you've practised the situation , the remaining players will always have a fear of the unknown , and fear can paralyse . Sports Psychology 101 Meath_True (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 27/02/2017 13:22:26 1961579 Link
Replying To Meath_True: "RD , that's all over the place what are you trying to say . People knocking Meath , because there not from Meath , or People from Meath knocking Meath , because they have some sick idea of fun and get their jollies that way . Just put it into simple English . Stop riddling .Say it straight , from the hip .. If its yellow and Quacks like a duck . It's probably a duck ." Sorry if it wasn't clear enough. First off our friends from Galway Cavan etc coming on to rub it in. Secondly those with county indicating from Meath but give out constantly about team county etc, either they not from Meath or they bitter mod squad who can't believe he wasn't appointed for longer than boylan. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/02/2017 17:49:02 1961738 Link