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Replying To Richieq:  "Jesus once again the old negativity that rears its head in this county every now and then comes to the fore, if seems no matter what you do in a positive sense someone will be here to sh*t all over it and term it as nonsense, well here are a few things to think about;

A renovated and fit for purpose PT will see a lot more games than it does now and there was a commitment to that from both Leinster & Central Councils, the games between Monaghan & Laois and Kildare v Fermanagh were a taster of what PT could get regularly if renovated properly

Two parts of the ground are officially closed, being the grass banks, one is decrepit and borderline dangerous, being the stand, and one is a basic 32 years old terrace. If those facts don't justify a redevelopment I don't know what will

There is talk that as part of the initial contract of Phase 1 (7000 stand on terrace side) that some remedial works would be done to the existing stand, I heard this would involve installing new seating, which could be reused again in a new structure, and some toilet improvements as well as to the fabric of the stand I.e. filling cracks in plaster and concrete repairs. The existing stand is not to be renovated or left in place long term and it is hoped that work would commence on that side 2-3 years after completion of the north stand.

We may never see an all seater stadium in PT, you always aim high and rightly so but I have a feeling that two 7000 stands either side and two proper terraces on the grass banks are what we will see and I think all would be satisfied with that.

Financial consideration has been at the great of this project, the size of Phase 1 depends on money received, and either part of a stand (4000 seats) or a full stand (7000) will be build depending on how much is received, the board were confident that they would receive enough to build an entire stage as the powers that be were very impressed with the plan and the potential benefits of it, it's a disgrace that the county board have been left this long for that decision to be made

People are basing crowds in PT in recent years when Meath were struggling on the field, in recent years when the stadium fell out of favour for neutral fixtures due to concern over the Slattery report and a capacity cut, in recent years when we lost floodlights. I can remember days in Division 1 and days in the 80's, 90's and into the 00's when we had big crowds because the team was successful and competitive, I can remember league playoff games like Kildare v Leitrim in 1990 that near packed the place out. People must be very pessimistic about Meath's chances of improving if they can't see us command bigger attendance's in years ahead. A fit for purpose PT will see games and plenty of them both with Meath and neutral fixtures, stand still and we will be bypassed just as Tuam Stadium was and Dr Hyde Park is now, when I see the final figures on the house draw I'll comment on that but all I know is what I done at the start was I bought the three ticket draw for the discount price, I thought positive and wanted to help the plan and I done my bit, positive thinking and thinking based on common sense is something that could, and should, be taught to many about here"
Sure we all want a new stadium. Christ let's have it all seater one . But let's get real it's a pipe dream. It's not going to happen anytime soon . Let's renovate the bloody stand and changing rooms and improve what's there. We have no money, house draw made no significant money and the County Board are begging Pascal O Donoghue to give us a load of cash to help build part of it on the back of us having money to match the money they give us, which right now we don't have.

So there is a quote to renovate the stand I say we press ahead with that. It's a bloody good team we want not an all seater stadium anyhow

Talking_Sense (Meath) - Posts: 209 - 04/01/2020 02:54:19    2257231

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Richieq I agree with you. It is shocking the amount of negativity and pessimism surrounding what is ultimately a masterplan project which is based on support from GAA HQ and the Government.

These protesters are the same people who give out about price of Mearh jerseys, the price of match programmes and the price of a Snack bar and cup of tea.

If we all made our financial decisions based on club attendances in October we might as well give up and aspire to nothing.

However, once you see people contending that the current stadium is fit for purpose and requires no development - you are just at a hiding to nothing.

Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 752 - 04/01/2020 15:33:24    2257300

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€6.2 million allocated to by LSSIF, quite the sum and largest of the three GAA stadia grants but then again ours will cost the most.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 10/01/2020 12:25:00    2258674

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Brilliant news today. Huge thanks must go to both Damian English and Helen mcentee (they even brought Leo to the Kerry match to see first hand what was needed ) for their input, regardless of political views everyone must pull in the one direction for the county.
Over 50% of the expected costs covered by this.
Now let's start redeveloping.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17267 - 10/01/2020 15:19:47    2258747

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Replying To Richieq:  "€6.2 million allocated to by LSSIF, quite the sum and largest of the three GAA stadia grants but then again ours will cost the most."
Richieq, I do not expect many to comment on the receipt of this €6.2 million in Government funding too much. Or to acknowledge that it is the most for a GAA project.

Also, the GAA have yet to announce how much they will commit to the project and if they even only match the €6.2 million of the Government - €12.4 million will go a long way for the redevelopment.

However, aren't some of the unsubstantiated estimates by posters saying the project will cost over 50 million etc given the cost of building one stand.

These Einstein estimates are based on the cost of the demolition of the current stand and construction of the new main stand (including all the changing/medical/media/hospitality facilities). Shows the limited mathematical capacity of these people.

This is a great day for Meath GAA. Those who dont want to believe in something wont believe in it which is a pity.

Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 752 - 10/01/2020 15:28:14    2258751

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Replying To Royalio11:  "Richieq, I do not expect many to comment on the receipt of this €6.2 million in Government funding too much. Or to acknowledge that it is the most for a GAA project.

Also, the GAA have yet to announce how much they will commit to the project and if they even only match the €6.2 million of the Government - €12.4 million will go a long way for the redevelopment.

However, aren't some of the unsubstantiated estimates by posters saying the project will cost over 50 million etc given the cost of building one stand.

These Einstein estimates are based on the cost of the demolition of the current stand and construction of the new main stand (including all the changing/medical/media/hospitality facilities). Shows the limited mathematical capacity of these people.

This is a great day for Meath GAA. Those who dont want to believe in something wont believe in it which is a pity."
while Meath's plans to transform Páirc Tailteann with a 4,000-seater stand and new dressing-rooms has been aided. From the RTE article about grants given around teh country. (Title: Sportsground & RDS both get €10m redevelopment boosts)


I would think €6.2m would be more than adequate to build a 4,000 seater stand, dressing rooms etc.

ASaminthehand (Meath) - Posts: 320 - 10/01/2020 16:49:34    2258769

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Replying To Royalio11:  "Richieq, I do not expect many to comment on the receipt of this €6.2 million in Government funding too much. Or to acknowledge that it is the most for a GAA project.

Also, the GAA have yet to announce how much they will commit to the project and if they even only match the €6.2 million of the Government - €12.4 million will go a long way for the redevelopment.

However, aren't some of the unsubstantiated estimates by posters saying the project will cost over 50 million etc given the cost of building one stand.

These Einstein estimates are based on the cost of the demolition of the current stand and construction of the new main stand (including all the changing/medical/media/hospitality facilities). Shows the limited mathematical capacity of these people.

This is a great day for Meath GAA. Those who dont want to believe in something wont believe in it which is a pity."
This post is hilarious. The plan is to build a 4 sided all-seater stadium. The grass banks and a huge 110 metre long terrace need to be destroyed to achieve that. Sure it will probably be cheaper to get rid of the stand than the terrace. And have you any idea what the cost will be to flatten those hills on each end? Putting up a bit of flooring and drywall for the medical and hospitality facilities will be small change in comparison. 6.2 million is grand but the GAA need to dig deep to at least double that.

Stick to the farming lad. Limited mathematical capacity haha.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1008 - 10/01/2020 17:14:46    2258773

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Great news. Does anyone know what profit the House draw made now that the three draws are complete? Meath GAA are going to have to stump up a fair percentage of the funds themselves otherwise Croke Park won't.

Royal (Meath) - Posts: 20 - 10/01/2020 17:49:52    2258782

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Replying To Royalio11:  "Richieq, I do not expect many to comment on the receipt of this €6.2 million in Government funding too much. Or to acknowledge that it is the most for a GAA project.

Also, the GAA have yet to announce how much they will commit to the project and if they even only match the €6.2 million of the Government - €12.4 million will go a long way for the redevelopment.

However, aren't some of the unsubstantiated estimates by posters saying the project will cost over 50 million etc given the cost of building one stand.

These Einstein estimates are based on the cost of the demolition of the current stand and construction of the new main stand (including all the changing/medical/media/hospitality facilities). Shows the limited mathematical capacity of these people.

This is a great day for Meath GAA. Those who dont want to believe in something wont believe in it which is a pity."
Agreed. A very good day for the county.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17267 - 10/01/2020 18:53:01    2258805

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Replying To Royal:  "Great news. Does anyone know what profit the House draw made now that the three draws are complete? Meath GAA are going to have to stump up a fair percentage of the funds themselves otherwise Croke Park won't."
I'd like to know that myself. However the doomsayers wouldn't be happy no matter what.
However they should not be allowed to dampen what is a great step forward for the county ground
Hon the royal

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17267 - 10/01/2020 18:56:07    2258806

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Replying To Royal:  "Great news. Does anyone know what profit the House draw made now that the three draws are complete? Meath GAA are going to have to stump up a fair percentage of the funds themselves otherwise Croke Park won't."
County board meeting on Monday; first since the draw so we will have a good indication then.

I'd say somewhere between 4 & 5 hundred thousand profit is possible

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 772 - 10/01/2020 18:57:27    2258807

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Great news, any day you receive €6.2m is a good day in fairness.

You would seriously hope that this would strenghten our hand now when looking for additional funding from the Gaa. If the LSSIF have backed this project then surely the Gaa should be more receptive.

Be interesting to see how this money is put to use and what sort of timeline we're looking at for a new stand (as this really should be priority).

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 10/01/2020 19:15:27    2258810

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Replying To Crinigan:  "This post is hilarious. The plan is to build a 4 sided all-seater stadium. The grass banks and a huge 110 metre long terrace need to be destroyed to achieve that. Sure it will probably be cheaper to get rid of the stand than the terrace. And have you any idea what the cost will be to flatten those hills on each end? Putting up a bit of flooring and drywall for the medical and hospitality facilities will be small change in comparison. 6.2 million is grand but the GAA need to dig deep to at least double that.

Stick to the farming lad. Limited mathematical capacity haha."
Firstly the stand will be very expensive to demolish due to asbestos in the roof and within the main structure, that has to be removed carefully, and expensively, before wholesale demolition could begin. The terrace would be flattened in about a fortnight, it's concrete sitting in a clay bank, a couple of good machines would wipe it as quick as you would wipe your arse, the same with the two banks. We are only talking phase 1 here, I doubt we will ever see 4 stands built in Navan, prioritise the two stands either side and go from there, at least one of the goal ends will end up a terrace I think. It will only progress as money allows so let's see what Central and Leinster Councils come up with now, time they stood up to the mark.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 10/01/2020 21:25:54    2258842

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According to Crinigan we are €43.8 million off target to get the build complete.

Grass banks is big money. Better get booking Foster and Allen for the big benefit concert.

I am not a farmer either another thing Albert Crinigan Einstein is wrong about.

Go back to fighting the demons there fella

Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 752 - 11/01/2020 00:35:59    2258869

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Replying To Royal:  "Great news. Does anyone know what profit the House draw made now that the three draws are complete? Meath GAA are going to have to stump up a fair percentage of the funds themselves otherwise Croke Park won't."
I think Croke Park were more concerned with the LSSIF funding, doing well there will strengthen our hand enormously, that funding has covered 50% of the overall cost of the first phase which is huge, interesting to note that Kildare and Waterford also received funding equating to about 50% of their overall cost albeit those developments aren't costing as much as PT, like others I will be interested to hear what the profit of the house draws amounts to, I heard Seamus Kenny stating the first draw went very well, he wouldn't use the word disappointing in relation to the second draw but there was a feeling it could of done better, that was before the third draw was held so it will be interesting to see what was got from it overall. Naming rights to PT are inevitable, even before development begins I would suggest, and such rights would give a valuable income stream, now that development is essentially assured it should make it easier to market the stadium for sponsorship. The announcement today was huge, not just the biggest GAA allocation but one of the biggest in the country only second to the RDS and the Sportsground in Galway, that must give Croke Park confidence in the project and one would hope they and Leinster Council will produce funding to show that.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 11/01/2020 00:41:39    2258870

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Replying To Richieq:  "Firstly the stand will be very expensive to demolish due to asbestos in the roof and within the main structure, that has to be removed carefully, and expensively, before wholesale demolition could begin. The terrace would be flattened in about a fortnight, it's concrete sitting in a clay bank, a couple of good machines would wipe it as quick as you would wipe your arse, the same with the two banks. We are only talking phase 1 here, I doubt we will ever see 4 stands built in Navan, prioritise the two stands either side and go from there, at least one of the goal ends will end up a terrace I think. It will only progress as money allows so let's see what Central and Leinster Councils come up with now, time they stood up to the mark."
Will be a white elephant, if we stay long term in div 1 it will have a crowd 5 times a year. Dunganny crying out for additional pitches which apparently could be done for 300k or so. Almost 1 M spent on pairc tailteann already and nit a visible hands turn done, this is twice the proceds of house draw which took 2 years of fundraising. At that rate it will take 24 years to match the money allocated this week. By the way don't come back and say i am being negative, the word is realistic.

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1345 - 11/01/2020 07:56:59    2258878

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Replying To Analyst:  "Will be a white elephant, if we stay long term in div 1 it will have a crowd 5 times a year. Dunganny crying out for additional pitches which apparently could be done for 300k or so. Almost 1 M spent on pairc tailteann already and nit a visible hands turn done, this is twice the proceds of house draw which took 2 years of fundraising. At that rate it will take 24 years to match the money allocated this week. By the way don't come back and say i am being negative, the word is realistic."
Being realistic involves taking all the facts into consideration, firstly we don't know what the proceeds of the house draw are so that's just speculation, secondly a revamped PT is going to see a lot more action than just Meath games and it's geographical location has been highlighted by both Central and Leinster Councils, that fact seems to escape, or is conveniently ignored, by many. You seem to forget that both Central and Leinster Councils will now also be allocating money based on yesterday's figure so I dint know where you are going with your 24 years. You don't make an omelette without first cracking eggs, any major infrastructure project has initial expense regarding feasibility, planning and design, plenty of money spent on the Slane bypass so far but do you see any tar laid? If you want to pretend to be realistic try and make a better effort at it

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 11/01/2020 10:18:50    2258884

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Richieq it looks like you, me and a few others on this forum see the potential of the redevelopment.

The extent of pessimism and narrow-mindedness being displayed is incredible. There are people thinking Meath Gaa have gone and taken a punt at financing the building of a new stadium on their own back. This is simply not true.

People need to know that this project (which is a masterplan) has the weight of the Government and central council of GAA behind it.

The €6.2 million of the government (50% of build cost of phase 1) will be at the very least evenly matched by GAA. Phase 1 includes the bulk of the work with re-orientation of pitch/floodlights/ development of a primary stand to contain dressing rooms/hospitality function/media etc.

The other phases i.e behind the goals are not onerous - steel and concrete and can be built based on available finances over the years. 21,000 seater is an ultimate completed final end goal/target of a plan. If the stadium gets to 10-12,000 capacity with the development of 2 state-of-the-art stands and small terraces at the goals then so be it. There are a number of options in the masterplan scheme and it's all there online for anyone to see. So many different development options which can be reflected by the funds available.

This redevelopment will bring the stadium into a functional use something that it cannot do in it's near ruinous state. The Government and GAA are not providing money with a view to holding Meath Junior C club games for the likes of Cringian to whinge and roar at. There are bigger ideas at hand.

This is an infrastructural development beyond Meath GAA. This stadium will be utilised for hosting more GAA games and other non-GAA functions. That is the Governments and GAAs return on their investment. Pairc Tailteann will facilitate events.

Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 752 - 11/01/2020 15:08:25    2258922

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We are sorrounded by proud footballing counties and we are deep in the heartland of Gaelic football.

Undoubtably there are plenty of fixtures that PT is a a suitable location for Dublin,Kildare, Cavan, Monaghan, Westmeath, Louth including teams from Ulster playing teams from Leinster.

NuttyMeathMan (Meath) - Posts: 35 - 11/01/2020 15:36:04    2258928

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Replying To Richieq:  "Being realistic involves taking all the facts into consideration, firstly we don't know what the proceeds of the house draw are so that's just speculation, secondly a revamped PT is going to see a lot more action than just Meath games and it's geographical location has been highlighted by both Central and Leinster Councils, that fact seems to escape, or is conveniently ignored, by many. You seem to forget that both Central and Leinster Councils will now also be allocating money based on yesterday's figure so I dint know where you are going with your 24 years. You don't make an omelette without first cracking eggs, any major infrastructure project has initial expense regarding feasibility, planning and design, plenty of money spent on the Slane bypass so far but do you see any tar laid? If you want to pretend to be realistic try and make a better effort at it"
Let me explain
€6,000,000 ÷ 500,000 =12
Now it took 2 years to get to the €500,000 so 12 x 2 =24

Have you heard the phrase comparing apples with oranges ?
Slane bypass is a nra project on the basis of 23 people being killed , hardly comparable.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with the pitch in Navan, Nothing wrong with Terrace, the only issues are the stand which needs to be completely revamped with fit for purpose dressing rooms, showers etc and floodlights restored. Other works are unnecessary and money could be spent on a lot more wisely.

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1345 - 11/01/2020 18:45:31    2258960

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