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Pleasantly surprised by the ambition of it. Would like to see one end remain terracing for a 'Hill effect' but given the overall standard of stadia in Ireland its good to see in Meath the cop on to build something befitting the 21st century.
Shame it'll only ever end up hosting Div 2-3 matches and the odd qualifier.

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 08/11/2017 12:47:09    2061195

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Replying To Royal_Gunner:  "The render on the Hogan Stand FB page shows the 4 stands complete.
It shows the view looking from the corner of the current stand and the O'Mahonys side.
You can see the proposed stand replacing the current terrace opposite current stand.
The proposed stand replacing current one is far more impressive and much higher (I think)

Other renders available which are even more impressive.

Only part of one of the stands is in the initial stage - 4,000 seats of a final 7,000 seat stand."
Any links for the other renders?

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 08/11/2017 12:51:48    2061197

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "Any links for the other renders?"
The redevelopment of PT should definitely be phased. I suggest that a stand be erected at the hospital end for the first phase. Currently there are no barriers or anything resembling crowd management there so is a no-go-area. Then demolish the present stand, remember it will have to be bit by bit because of the asbestos sheeting which is not a major problem once the sheets remain intact. Then replace the stand with another stand but only if the money is there. If not a standard terrace and finally concrete the O'Mahony's end. When are lights to be added? I am sure there could be considerable flexibility on this matter. All this could be achieved with the ground remaining open. Some may not agree with this but Croke Park was redeveloped while remaining open, where there is a will there is a way.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 787 - 08/11/2017 17:08:43    2061252

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Replying To BarneysTie:  "What in the name of God do we want with a 22,000 capacity stadium? Seems absolutely ludicrous. Surely something between 12 and 15k would be plenty, and would be cheaper."
What do Laois need with a 25K capacity ground, or Offaly with 20K capacity, this is more than a development for Meath it's a regional development. There is no decent capacity stadium in North/West Leinster, PT fits the bill to provide such a stadium.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 08/11/2017 17:19:17    2061256

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Replying To numberedjerseys:  "Lads 4 stands is pie in the sky. Think about it 4K in seats for three quarters of a stand costing 10 million and 10 years to pay for it. Another 6 million which will be 8/9 in 10 years time to finish it and another half dozen or more years to pay for it.
So really 15 years at best to do one side. Carry that on and it be another 20/30 years to do other 3 sides and time to start fixing up stage 1 again never mind any more expansion in dunganny
Hard to see light there as clubs don't seem to have belly for even stage 1

No one is going to manic up a few 10s of millions the long term project seems to big to be realistic"
We don't even know what the County Board are going to have to pay themselves yet, let's see what funding is forthcoming before we sh1t all over the plan. I'm glad to see a proper redevelopment planned, it's rare to see proper planning in relation to stadia in this country in terms of the amount of seating and covered accommodation, PT could be a template for where the GAA want to go with future stadia developments

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 08/11/2017 17:23:20    2061258

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Replying To MillerX:  "The redevelopment of PT should definitely be phased. I suggest that a stand be erected at the hospital end for the first phase. Currently there are no barriers or anything resembling crowd management there so is a no-go-area. Then demolish the present stand, remember it will have to be bit by bit because of the asbestos sheeting which is not a major problem once the sheets remain intact. Then replace the stand with another stand but only if the money is there. If not a standard terrace and finally concrete the O'Mahony's end. When are lights to be added? I am sure there could be considerable flexibility on this matter. All this could be achieved with the ground remaining open. Some may not agree with this but Croke Park was redeveloped while remaining open, where there is a will there is a way."
I would have thought doing the goal ends first would have been the way to go given that when the stand is levelled we will have neither seated or covered accommodation during the rebuilding phase and will essentially only have a one sided ground as the goal ends themselves are mostly off limits. However it seems the present stand is in such bad condition that it's demolition is imperative, and I can understand that. I would imagine some temporary seating either on the terrace or one of the grass banks would be needed if the existing stand is levelled as phase 1 which seems to be the plan

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 08/11/2017 17:29:09    2061261

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Replying To Richieq:  "I would have thought doing the goal ends first would have been the way to go given that when the stand is levelled we will have neither seated or covered accommodation during the rebuilding phase and will essentially only have a one sided ground as the goal ends themselves are mostly off limits. However it seems the present stand is in such bad condition that it's demolition is imperative, and I can understand that. I would imagine some temporary seating either on the terrace or one of the grass banks would be needed if the existing stand is levelled as phase 1 which seems to be the plan"
This is what I am proposing, the hospital end is a goal end. If the present stand has to be closed then close it, it can remain there for a period once it is sealed off from the paying public.

What I am concerned about is where will all this money come from? The final proposal resembles Nowlan Park a bit but they have developed what they have over about 20 years and would have featured a lot more than us at the business end of the \national League, where the real money is made by counties. I often heard it said that it was the 49 - 54 team that built the stand in Navan. So a decent team would also be a great help.

So lets see what we have left after one end is completed and then plan for the other sections.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 787 - 09/11/2017 09:30:50    2061349

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Replying To MillerX:  "This is what I am proposing, the hospital end is a goal end. If the present stand has to be closed then close it, it can remain there for a period once it is sealed off from the paying public.

What I am concerned about is where will all this money come from? The final proposal resembles Nowlan Park a bit but they have developed what they have over about 20 years and would have featured a lot more than us at the business end of the \national League, where the real money is made by counties. I often heard it said that it was the 49 - 54 team that built the stand in Navan. So a decent team would also be a great help.

So lets see what we have left after one end is completed and then plan for the other sections."
Well a bit of clarity as per the Meath Chronicle who state a special meeting will be held on Nov 27th with clubs to finalise discussions on fundraising, a commercial fundraising committee plans to raise €2 million in two years and the County Board raising €250'000 per annum with clubs being asked to commit to a draw to assist

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 09/11/2017 10:55:51    2061367

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Can't do a stand at the one end of the pitch first because the €10m spend limit has been imposed by Croke Park so one of the sideline stands has to be done first.
You couldn't build one of the smaller stands behind the goals and then not be able to do a whole lot on the sideline side development.

New state of the art floodlights are included in the initial phase so at least we can get back to evening and night matches.
New floodlights will also be at a lux level required for televising matches which will be a big help.

Royal_Gunner (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 09/11/2017 12:44:27    2061391

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Interesting to read on article in meath chronicle from Chairman that the lights that were offered to clubs for sale and not of standard for light for tv are proposed to go back up , if this is correct why didn't they go back up straight away as position iOS at 4 corners again , would have helped in fixtures last 2 years.

Boynerover (Meath) - Posts: 10 - 22/11/2017 20:47:54    2063314

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http://www.meathchronicle.ie/sport/gaa/articles/2017/11/29/4149174-pairc-tailteann-plans-on-view-at-open-forum-/

GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 30/11/2017 13:54:26    2064115

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Replying To GlasagusOr:  "http://www.meathchronicle.ie/sport/gaa/articles/2017/11/29/4149174-pairc-tailteann-plans-on-view-at-open-forum-/"
Interesting

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17267 - 01/12/2017 21:09:50    2064248

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Interesting to hear the county treasurer state that they may start the redevelopment on the terrace side and start a new stand there first allowing the existing stand and dressing rooms to remain in place and therefore allow the ground to stay open. I can see the thinking to this but I would hate to see any more money put into maintaining the old stand for another couple of years as it would be dead money, I'd rather see that money used on temporary seating or covered areas on the terrace and start redeveloping the stand side first, temporary dressing rooms shouldn't be hard to put in place either

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 03/12/2017 13:16:54    2064307

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What is the update with the redevelopment.

Everything gone a bit quiet since the consultation night in November.

Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 752 - 17/01/2018 19:25:10    2068948

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Replying To Royalio11:  "What is the update with the redevelopment.

Everything gone a bit quiet since the consultation night in November."
Planning decision awaited, due on Feb 10th I think by MCC

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 17/01/2018 20:01:55    2068961

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Replying To Richieq:  "Planning decision awaited, due on Feb 10th I think by MCC"
Has funding and contractors been arranged, preliminary or otherwise??

Or is the aim just to get plaaning permisson and then sit on said planning for a number of years without an urgency of breaking ground.

All seems very vague and quiet

Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 752 - 17/01/2018 23:06:52    2069007

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When it comes to large construction projects, nothing ever moves quickly.

I'm not sure what news is expected anyway, more diagrams? What could possibly happen between submitting the plans and getting approval? There's no point appointing (and more importantly, paying) companies for work which hasn't even been approved yet.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1430 - 17/01/2018 23:42:53    2069009

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Replying To Royalio11:  "Has funding and contractors been arranged, preliminary or otherwise??

Or is the aim just to get plaaning permisson and then sit on said planning for a number of years without an urgency of breaking ground.

All seems very vague and quiet"
I did hear somewhere that the intention was to appoint a contractor in tandem wit the planning process so that when (and if) planning is granted a contractor would be already appointed to move things on as quickly as possible. The initial contract it appears is just to construct two thirds of one of the side stands giving 4000 seats and to re-erect the floodlights so pricing that shouldn't be too problematic. Not sure where the funding issue stands at the minute and either way its an early 2019 start for work, agree that things seem a little quiet alright but hopefully work and negotiations on funding behind the scenes is the reason for that.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3601 - 18/01/2018 16:27:15    2069114

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Brilliant news this morning, government will spend 50m on sports ground redevelopment, included is pairc T. Great boost, initially town end will get a stand. 20000 all seated stadium. A good start to hopefully a good weekend.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17267 - 26/01/2018 09:57:40    2070718

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Brilliant news this morning, government will spend 50m on sports ground redevelopment, included is pairc T. Great boost, initially town end will get a stand. 20000 all seated stadium. A good start to hopefully a good weekend."
This from the Sun!

The redevelopment of Pairc Tailteann in Navan into a 22,000 all-seater arena is estimated to cost €9 million, with Croke Park and the Leinster Council set to contribute €4million. A planning application was submitted just before Christmas and a decision isn't due for another few months. The redevelopment of the ground into a 22,000 all-seater arena is estimated to cost €9 million. Meath chiefs were originally limited to a spend of €10 million on the stadium but there have been reports that has since been reduced to €7 million. Many clubs in the county, themselves struggling to raise funds, have been annoyed by requests from the county board to help finance the redevelopment.

So a government injection would help advance plans, with the first phase of the revamp expected to be the construction of a new stand at the Navan town end of the ground where there is currently a grass bank.

A Transport Departments spokesman said: "Following the conclusion of Budget 2018 discussions, the Department is committed to establishing a new "Large Scale Sport Infrastructure Fund" in 2018."The Fund will be for larger projects where the proposed Government contribution exceeds the amount available under the Sports Capital Programme (where the maximum grant is currently €200,000.)

You are right RD - this is fantastic news for the county. Should be a real incentive now for kids to try and get to play there! (And adults too I guess!!) Hopefully planning permission will be approved quickly and smoothly and work can commence sooner rather than later!

Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 286 - 26/01/2018 13:33:10    2070787

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