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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes: "Hold on till I'm standing behind you." Ah lads get a room. Lol :) royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/07/2016 23:06:32 1880513 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Ah lads get a room. Lol :)" If my shooting from days gone by was anything to go by, right in front of me would be the safest place!! MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 10/07/2016 23:24:42 1880522 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Ah lads get a room. Lol :)" Who would you's like at the helm in Meath ? TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 10/07/2016 23:36:21 1880529 Link
If we are to thank god for Ulster, as the thread says, which God should we specifically be aiming our thanks at? Cos I don't want to be laying it on to Zoroaster or one of them, and find out they're actually from Lemybrien. extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 11/07/2016 00:39:13 1880560 Link
Replying To SamOnErrigal: "After watching all the games this weekend how thankful I am we have Clones to look forward to next weekend. First our minors with the lads from Derry , and then the Senior final. This will be better than anything that ever happened on a Gaelic field You will have it all with plenty of sideline action thrown in and all. And all the talk on here about Monaghan /down getting beat by Longford is nonsense. Let me tell you all --Down were in Div one but things are gone a little bit astray for them. When will Longford get to Div one , when will they get to a Leinster final? It must be close on fifty years sine they were in Div one. Derry were a div one team a few years ago, same as Armagh and both those counties will be in Div one again , same as Down All the nine Ulster counties contested an Ulster final since 2001. Tell me how many different counties have contested the Leinster final in that period. Or how many have won it. Same in Munster--- when did Tipp Waterford Clare or Limerick beat Kerry. Clare win the Munster football in 1992,all the rest shared by Kerry /cork. At least Connaught have a bit of variety with to my knowledge Galway Mayo Sligoand Roscommon winning football titles over the last 15 years. So what I'm saying is Ulster football will be stronger and more competitive than the other proviences. Now no disrespect to Longford and well done on you victories but I'd say yesterday ye met A Monaghan team that were at sixes and sevens." Since 2001 8 different teams have appeared in the Leinster football final, with 4 different winners. Not too bad for a province where 11 counties play football, with Wicklow, Carlow and Longford being the only ones not to have made it to a final. AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 11/07/2016 07:32:03 1880589 Link
Replying To AHP: "Since 2001 8 different teams have appeared in the Leinster football final, with 4 different winners. Not too bad for a province where 11 counties play football, with Wicklow, Carlow and Longford being the only ones not to have made it to a final." Nice to have some facts for a change in these debates. 4 different winners is the same as both Connacht and Ulster in that period as well. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 11/07/2016 08:42:27 1880611 Link
Some people here talk like Ulster is a land far across the sea, the language used when referring to Ulster is divisive and these threads always boil down to the same bating and counter bating, boring. Anyway back to the games, the connaught final was rubbish as were the conditions, but you have 2 teams here who like Donegal in 2011 have their defensive strategy in place with little or no offensive strategy at present. It came good for Donegal but the philosophy of that team was to win, via a defensive counter attacking strategy, the philosophy of the two teams today was not to get beat. Their offensive strategies may develop over the summer we'll have to wait and see but theres no place for taking a moral stand when all the provinces have had their fair share of muck games and it is down to the teams philosophies if one doesn't want to get beat it will always be a turgid affair. duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 11/07/2016 09:18:15 1880631 Link
Did any of you'd hardcore Gaels catch any of the Euro 2016 soccer ball tournament. Me thinks a lot of those foreign sport players have been watching Jim McGuniess play back videos and picked up the blanket defence counter attack style very nicely. Soccer has followed the Gaelic football route, all very negative and hard to watch cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 11/07/2016 09:55:44 1880670 Link
The Connacht final was poor no doubt as was the minor final but the conditions were awful and roscommon were missing half there best team. There has been as many competitive games in Connacht as in Ulster this year, people seem to be forgetting the 6 H ammerings in Ulster this year. ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 11/07/2016 10:09:25 1880686 Link
Other years the opening post may have had a point but not this year. The Ulster Championship has been fairly boring this year with mainly one sided games. If it wasn't for Cavan getting some lucky goals the 1st day v Tyrone then there might not have been any decent games at all! MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13842 - 11/07/2016 10:18:04 1880697 Link
Replying To cacsmckilly: "Did any of you'd hardcore Gaels catch any of the Euro 2016 soccer ball tournament. Me thinks a lot of those foreign sport players have been watching Jim McGuniess play back videos and picked up the blanket defence counter attack style very nicely. Soccer has followed the Gaelic football route, all very negative and hard to watch" Vice versa more like. I think that Mcguinness looked at several sports and decided the formula in common with the most successful teams was defensive. There would be no way the likes of italy would be aping the gaa in getting a system in situ for their team. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3854 - 11/07/2016 11:05:52 1880747 Link
Replying To Soma: "Nice to have some facts for a change in these debates. 4 different winners is the same as both Connacht and Ulster in that period as well." I've thrown facts at you for a long time but you've no interest in them ie you simplify dismiss the league placing each year - they simply don't matter . Also let's look at facts . Since 01 and this was the random 15 year start of point . Four Ulster sides have reached the AIF with three winning . Do your comparisons now . Look it doesn't matter - you've a deep hatred of certain counties so it doesn't really matter what happens . TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 12/07/2016 10:08:27 1881576 Link
Replying To Horsebox77: "spot on only competitive province" Not really- Connacht has seen its title holder dethroned and several competitive games this year. It's a bit bemusing that so many of the Ulster posters are so critical of the Connacht final the other day, given that for many years that the standard defence of the Ulster Championship was that it was intense and competitive, even if the football often didn't make for a great spectacle. Can't have it both ways lads. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 12/07/2016 10:30:45 1881589 Link
Why oh why Christ do Ulster posters do this ** again and again , you wont have puke football whispered in your vicinity but your the first to bring it up when describing a dire match played outside of your province , by all means slag off what was a terrible game but can it be done without the salt n vinegar please. Damothedub (Dublin)** - Posts: 5193 - 12/07/2016 10:56:32 1881614 Link
Replying To TheRightStuff: "I've thrown facts at you for a long time but you've no interest in them ie you simplify dismiss the league placing each year - they simply don't matter . Also let's look at facts . Since 01 and this was the random 15 year start of point . Four Ulster sides have reached the AIF with three winning . Do your comparisons now . Look it doesn't matter - you've a deep hatred of certain counties so it doesn't really matter what happens ." TRS the style of football that works in February can be very different to what works in July so I do think that a more sensible view should be taken of things. Its interesting you mention 2001 as that was the year Galway and Mayo played in the league final. That same year Galway were beaten by Roscommon in the Connacht semi final before going through the backdoor to win the All-Ireland, and Mayo beat Sligo by a point before losing the Connacht final. Were there calls back then by anyone to change the provincial system because Connacht was too competitive and it was unfair on all the teams out west? leinster was equally competitive back then, Wexford, Laois, Meath, Offaly and Dublin have all made the final of the national league in the last 20 years. What some forget is that success doesn't last forever, those who are the top teams now may well be also-rans in 10 years time. Ulster has been going through a golden period over the past 15 years with Sam going north 5 times and it has been great to see new counties get success. This was partly due to Ulster producing better footballers and partly due to the use of new tactics that other sides really struggled with. However most sides have changed their styles now (as we saw in Salthill Sunday) and things seem to be levelling out again, with Donegal the only team in Ulster to claim Sam in the past 7 years. Hopefully some of the other sides in ulster start making progress soon as Donegal are preparing for their 6th consecutive final Sunday - even this Mayo side haven't managed that in the cakewalk of Connacht as you describe it. A change would be nice though I appreciate you wouldn't see it that way. I have no idea what your chat about me having a deep hatred of certain counties is about - I presume you have got upset that not everyone enjoys tactics like those used in Connacht Sunday? Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 12/07/2016 12:45:27 1881730 Link
Yes thank you God for that war torn, divided mess of a place... jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 12/07/2016 12:48:28 1881732 Link
Replying To Gleebo: "Not really- Connacht has seen its title holder dethroned and several competitive games this year. It's a bit bemusing that so many of the Ulster posters are so critical of the Connacht final the other day, given that for many years that the standard defence of the Ulster Championship was that it was intense and competitive, even if the football often didn't make for a great spectacle. Can't have it both ways lads." I have to agree with Gleebo here, I enjoyed the Connacht final last Sunday, and I am baffled at how anybody in Ulster can throw stones after all the abuse many of our teams have been subjected to over the last 15 years. Ulster has been widely credited for being competitive, yet Connacht this year has been superbly competitive. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3032 - 12/07/2016 13:30:07 1881781 Link
Yes thank you God for that war torn, divided mess of a place... but anyway that's enough about Dublin Indeed all hail Ulster jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 12/07/2016 14:05:54 1881819 Link
Replying To Soma: "TRS the style of football that works in February can be very different to what works in July so I do think that a more sensible view should be taken of things. Its interesting you mention 2001 as that was the year Galway and Mayo played in the league final. That same year Galway were beaten by Roscommon in the Connacht semi final before going through the backdoor to win the All-Ireland, and Mayo beat Sligo by a point before losing the Connacht final. Were there calls back then by anyone to change the provincial system because Connacht was too competitive and it was unfair on all the teams out west? leinster was equally competitive back then, Wexford, Laois, Meath, Offaly and Dublin have all made the final of the national league in the last 20 years. What some forget is that success doesn't last forever, those who are the top teams now may well be also-rans in 10 years time. Ulster has been going through a golden period over the past 15 years with Sam going north 5 times and it has been great to see new counties get success. This was partly due to Ulster producing better footballers and partly due to the use of new tactics that other sides really struggled with. However most sides have changed their styles now (as we saw in Salthill Sunday) and things seem to be levelling out again, with Donegal the only team in Ulster to claim Sam in the past 7 years. Hopefully some of the other sides in ulster start making progress soon as Donegal are preparing for their 6th consecutive final Sunday - even this Mayo side haven't managed that in the cakewalk of Connacht as you describe it. A change would be nice though I appreciate you wouldn't see it that way. I have no idea what your chat about me having a deep hatred of certain counties is about - I presume you have got upset that not everyone enjoys tactics like those used in Connacht Sunday?" Fair enough on those points . I am the first to admit that Ulster has only become a strong province since 1990s. My own county had no tradition until the 1970s which I find sad . Then again - Leinster had Dublin and Munster had Kerry so they were just always power houses of our game. I am the first to admit that our own tactics , particularly in 2011 was not easy on the eye . Would you not think though that if a manager feels his players are not good enough to challenge then a game plan which works should be applied ? I believe the game is going through a stage , just like other sports . I don't think McGuinness thought everyone would copy it but they did . I would also like to add that I think Sundays Ulster final may be something like 0-9 to 0-9 ravaged by defensive tactics . I will however be on the terrace on Sunday as my county has only ever collected 8 Anglo Celts which is a really poor return . TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 12/07/2016 14:28:18 1881836 Link
Replying To AHP: "Since 2001 8 different teams have appeared in the Leinster football final, with 4 different winners. Not too bad for a province where 11 counties play football, with Wicklow, Carlow and Longford being the only ones not to have made it to a final." How many of those counties in Leinster made the All Ireland final ? How many won Sam. ? I am talking 2001/2015 We were talking about Ulster football here in London last week and this Kerry gent asked the question -- what did the Northern teams ever do. Gave him a simple answer---- only for Ulster teams in the period of 2002/2 to 2012 Kerry would have won All Ireland after All Ireland. Had to remind him of 2002/2003/2005 /2008/2010 and2012 when Kerry's All Ireland dreams were ended by Ulster teams. The reality was only Ulster teams at the time were able to beat Kerry SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 12/07/2016 20:02:33 1882078 Link