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Aidan O'Shea Diving

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yew_tree (Mayo)- I forgot to add to my post that I do not blame the player but the standard of Ref and that same standard would have cost Mayo at least 1 AI over the last couple of years. I would add that many years back there were similar incidents which at that time was not analysed and things moved on. By the way during past matches Spillane and Brolly spent some time lying on the ground with little or no contact- a couple of camera shots at that time may not have been very favourable towards them

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 13/07/2016 11:53:32    1882434

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "Hold on here Ciaran Whelan was one of the cheerleaders who wanted Tiernan McCann hung drawn and quartered and then was silent when he sat in the SG studio after one of his fellow Dublin players did something similar and couldn't criticise that player - believe it was McMahon but could be wrong. Whilst I'm glad hes now saying this is dangerous he gave no credence to that for McCann and there was a media storm (papers, social and TV) beyond belief. McCann is a very young player and made a bad mistake but the hell he apparently went through was not real."
I imagine he didnt go to town on him cos he learnt his lesson after the mccann incident. Just a thought!

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 13/07/2016 12:15:08    1882447

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Replying To browncows:  "yew_tree (Mayo)- I forgot to add to my post that I do not blame the player but the standard of Ref and that same standard would have cost Mayo at least 1 AI over the last couple of years. I would add that many years back there were similar incidents which at that time was not analysed and things moved on. By the way during past matches Spillane and Brolly spent some time lying on the ground with little or no contact- a couple of camera shots at that time may not have been very favourable towards them"
I am already on record as saying it was no penalty. The one before it was. Two wrong's don't make a right. The feeling in Mayo after it was a bit embarrassed...now I am finding people don't care (probably following the backlash and our own history with being done out of it my ref's).

People talk about the manly days of GAA...is punching a player cheating...no? But it is thuggery.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11768 - 13/07/2016 12:49:39    1882463

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I should add nice honest guys win nothing. DId Kerry not take out a Cork player early in a final a few years back? (Someone please remind me who)?

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11768 - 13/07/2016 12:50:57    1882465

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Replying To browncows:  "yew_tree (Mayo)- If you read my post correctly I did not say that cheating was ok on either occasions- I was just making a comment regarding the post from your fellow county man. Now you can take whatever opinion you like as that is your choice. You could also say (like the Ref) that it was a penalty."
Without trying to state the obvious, it was a penalty because the referee awarded it. The claim that the penalty decided the match is somewhat spurious as the result, in my opinion, would have been the same regardless of the penalty.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 13/07/2016 13:23:46    1882489

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Replying To yew_tree:  "I should add nice honest guys win nothing. DId Kerry not take out a Cork player early in a final a few years back? (Someone please remind me who)?"
Ah leave Kerry be Yew. I don't see many Kerry posters on here taking the opportunity to kick us while we're down, unlike the usual suspects. We have enough battles to fight without drawing the wrath of the Kerry lads.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 13/07/2016 13:29:59    1882495

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Replying To salvador:  "No. I am judging Mayo/kerry against the likes of Tyrone,Dublin and Donegal.

Rochford praised O'Shea for diving poor Aiden gets awful abuse etc.
Harte reprimanded McCann publicly ie. young lad needs to learn..we dont condone diving..
Big difference."
There are no facts, figures or video analysis to back up what are basically your opinions. The Aidan O Shea incident is fresh in the mind and there was some talk of James O Donoghue getting a handy penalty some time back so, hey presto, Mayo and Kerry are the main perpetrators. You may as well say, that because a Roscommon lad got away with a sly push in the back, that incidentally affected the outcome of Sunday's game, that Roscommon get away with more fouls than any other team. Oh and by the way I seem to remember a Cork lad getting away with something similar some time back, so we'll lump them in too. It's an emotive subject and as a bonus it's Mayo so it's too good an opportunity to miss to put the boot in. And us after lending you the use of our pitch for the weekend. Talk about gratitude.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 13/07/2016 13:41:42    1882501

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "Ah leave Kerry be Yew. I don't see many Kerry posters on here taking the opportunity to kick us while we're down, unlike the usual suspects. We have enough battles to fight without drawing the wrath of the Kerry lads."
Oooooouchhhh!!! :)

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 13/07/2016 13:50:04    1882508

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Replying To browncows:  "Jesus are you trying to say those 2 incidents were similar? Night and day.
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You are correct in that they are not similar. The McCann dive was carried out by a very in-experienced player and had no effect on the result. The O'Shea dive with a few minutes to go decided the result - indeed a huge difference!"
One was Pretending to be punched in the face leading to a player getting a red card, the other was a player who probably didn't even realise he was in the area, he thought at best he would win a handy free. I don't believe for a second AOS thought he was going to win a penalty. I'm not excusing him by the way, but to say the 2 offences are similar is crazy.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8507 - 13/07/2016 14:10:24    1882526

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Replying To cluichethar:  "Daytona 11 the rule book is quite clear on this issue the only contact you are allowed is shoulder to shoulder In the tackle you can only contact the ball and then only with the open hand You are not allowed to smash him in the arm the guts "as in a softener" come over his back lie on top of him when he falls to the ground wrap your arms around him These are all fouls But the referees today will not call them The whole idea of the defensive game today is to slow the attacking player down so 4 or 5 defenders can swarm all over the attacker The swarming tackles is what has to be addressed or else go to the Aussie Rules rule Got to let the ball go before you're tackled"
exactly, that has been my begbear for years. the thing that is wrong with gaelic Football is "The Tackle". It is pot luck whether you get a free or not. Too many games are being decided by the referee because some frees are given, some or not (in fact most are not given).
You have pundits then praising referees for "letting the game Flow" and not blowing for fouls. Why not do away with the rule book completely then ?. Honestly foreigners and people not familiar with the game just Laugh because it seems that there are no rules regarding tackling. a player gets the ball is stopped physically mauled to the ground and surrounded by a possee of players who wont let him up. Referee blow whistle awards a free against the man in possesion, Crowd applauds the great tackling and commentators claim a great "turnover" and lament that players are "carrying the ball in to the tackle". I am fine with one man putting his arm out to stop you or trying to disposses you but when half the team join in and maul you surely it's a free. This is what causes teams to play the ball around ad nauseum , afraid to take the ball in to conntact in case they are blown up.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5522 - 13/07/2016 14:25:03    1882538

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Replying To neverright:  "So, no bodily y contact allowed as players compete for the ball??? Are you serious? There would never be any continuity in the game if that was the case. At the throw-in, players are always jostling for possession. Are you saying the ref should be blowing them up for frees. Now a days most subs are welcome new on to the pitch by jolting from the player he will be playing on - more frees. If you happen to touch a players body as you knock the ball cleanly away from him, should you have a free given against you?"
yes frees should be given for all those incidents. otherwise you can't take the game of gaelic football seriously.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5522 - 13/07/2016 14:28:20    1882542

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Replying To cluichethar:  "Nothing about coming together Daytona was talking about tackling another player You are not supposed to lay a hand on the opponent you are to play the ball Don't go criticizing me I didn't make the rules Just look at the rule governing the tackle its quite clear"
What rule deals with the 'laying of hands'?

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 13/07/2016 14:31:27    1882544

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Replying To CroiGorm:  "Seriously?!?! That is laughable! How in God's name can that be considered 'cheating'?? Ridiculous comment

The definition of cheating: 'act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.'

Please tell me what advantage was gained by Connolly/Dublin? The only team that gained an advantage from that iincident was Mayo."
So are you telling me what O'Shea done was worse than what Connolly done? I just don't understand the abuse O'shea is getting when we all know far worse goes on on football pitches

mayoaresavage (Mayo) - Posts: 313 - 13/07/2016 17:29:40    1882682

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Replying To mayoaresavage:  "
Replying To CroiGorm:  "Seriously?!?! That is laughable! How in God's name can that be considered 'cheating'?? Ridiculous comment

The definition of cheating: 'act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.'

Please tell me what advantage was gained by Connolly/Dublin? The only team that gained an advantage from that iincident was Mayo."
So are you telling me what O'Shea done was worse than what Connolly done? I just don't understand the abuse O'shea is getting when we all know far worse goes on on football pitches"
Cheating is looked upon with more scorn than thuggery. Look it goes on, it has gone on and will go on. I don't think you can wipe it out completely but proper punishment must be there for those who are caught.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11768 - 13/07/2016 17:44:10    1882687

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "One was Pretending to be punched in the face leading to a player getting a red card, the other was a player who probably didn't even realise he was in the area, he thought at best he would win a handy free. I don't believe for a second AOS thought he was going to win a penalty. I'm not excusing him by the way, but to say the 2 offences are similar is crazy."
the match was over for the mccann one..please be objective...this thread is ruined by people making silly arguments just because it supports their own team..why cant people just be objective and look at things from other points of view?.its real childish stuff..i would suggest aidan o shea knew exactly what he was at..to imply he didnt know he was in area is naive at best..there was 0 advantage gained for the mccann one....overall mayo deserved to win as they scored 1-10 in the 2nd half and o connor should have had a penalty and quigleys goal looked like a foul also

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 13/07/2016 18:15:36    1882701

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overall people need to watch more games as players from all gaa counties including my own dive and feign injury or break the rules in order to gain an advantage...the amount of jersey tugging in the gaa or grabbing a persons hand fistpassing etc,,,all fouls and all against the rules yet done so to gain an advantage...this over the top crying and hyperbole being spoken on here is both laughably biased and cringe

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 13/07/2016 18:20:37    1882703

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Jeez do you all have anything better to talk about. This topic is beaten to death, Move on !

offtheboat (USA) - Posts: 57 - 13/07/2016 19:04:21    1882728

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Replying To alano12:  "the match was over for the mccann one..please be objective...this thread is ruined by people making silly arguments just because it supports their own team..why cant people just be objective and look at things from other points of view?.its real childish stuff..i would suggest aidan o shea knew exactly what he was at..to imply he didnt know he was in area is naive at best..there was 0 advantage gained for the mccann one....overall mayo deserved to win as they scored 1-10 in the 2nd half and o connor should have had a penalty and quigleys goal looked like a foul also"
What? You think I am blinded by my allegiance to AOS? The man is lucky to have his place in the team he is playing so poorly. Not sure are you reading the posts properly, someone posted referencing McCann and AOS and implied we should be judging them equally, I totally disagree as they are not even comparable incidents, not sure what point you are trying to make?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8507 - 13/07/2016 19:48:19    1882747

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Do we all still remember last year's All Ireland semi final -Kerry v Tyrone. ?
Remember Padraig mcNulty coming on as a sub for Tyrone.
Do we remember how he was fouled in the square ( to me it was a penalty) and what did Tyrone get ?
NOTHING BUT P MCNULTY GOT BOOKED FOR DIVING AND KERRY GOT A FREE OUT.
So in three big games in the last 12 months both J o Donoghue and A o Shea got penalties for, well we will say going to ground easily.
The man who was more entitled to a penalty got a yellow card and was accused of diving.
But seriously boys this has to stop. Why , oh why can't we use a bit of video evidence in all border line cases. ? Do the umpires see anything at all ? So if people on here can look back at those three incidents , compare them and see what they think.
Me --AOS deserved a card and maybe J oD but the man who got one should not have got one and I thought it harsh giving a free out.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 13/07/2016 21:31:19    1882797

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Replying To offtheboat:  "Jeez do you all have anything better to talk about. This topic is beaten to death, Move on !"
Topic subject is pretty clear. Not interested in it or bored of it, then don't open the thread AND comment on it.

Simples.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 13/07/2016 22:04:27    1882818

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