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ah look I would be the first to give out but truth be told he will prob be embarrassed today looking back on it, but here the big thing here is coaches like our own Eamon Fitz has gone on record saying the big man gets no frees' and Aidan O"Shea gets very few frees as it stands but from here on in he will get even less because of yesterdays antics - he has actually has in all honesty turned the general punter against him... to quote our esteemed RTE punted.. Karma Baby...
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Was glad that the A panel didn't cover Saturday's match. They would latch onto this as another stick to beat Mayo with , attach offensive labels to and question the player's morality/character. It is correct that incidents like this should be highlighted and discussed without hanging a player out to dry. Yes, the penalty was a huge and wrong call by an Ulster referee at a crucial stage of the game. You can be sure that Aidan and all decent Mayo fans wont be happy or proud with how the penalty was earned especially after having worked themselves into a good position to win the game.
You always get a lot of outrage, moralising and some hypocrisy when something like this happens. I note how PS joined those calling for a lengthy ban for the young Donegal rookie goalkeeper faking injury in his 2nd championship match in Cavan. Pat wrote that his antics made Donegal market leaders in his column 'Donegal Diving Disgrace' . Compare this with his deafening silence when Cork were reduced to 14 following Aidan O Mahony's collapse in an AI semi-final. Mark Anthony McGinley wrongly wasted exactly 80 seconds of game time but gained no advantage as a free out had been awarded after he had been lightly tackled twice in the small square. In addition six extra minutes were added on allowing Monaghan to score 3 more points so in a way his team gained no advantage unlike say Kerry, Tyrone(McCann) and Mayo gained by having extra player/penalty situation.
Fermanagh will feel gutted but will take some solace from the pure class shown by Pete McGrath. Will be interesting if Joe McQuillan makes a statement as he did after the 2013 AI final over how he communicated with Mayo over injury time.
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I'm absolutely amazed at the amount of sh*** posted on several threads about mayo's so called "antics".
I was at the game and came away happy that we had improved greatly on our performance against Galway. We were not the finished product by any means, gave away a lot of silly passes etc. but had much more of a sense of purpose than in the last game. I had a quick five minutes on Hoganstand when I came home and thought what the F*** did I miss. I then watched the game over at my leisure, even watching parts in slow motion, to see what all the fuss was about. True the Aidan O Shea penalty was of the 'soft' variety. He felt a hand on his hip and he went down. Exaggerated and dramatic it was but he was looking for a penalty and he got it. It happens in some part of the field in every game on every weekend, a player feels a hand on his back or shoulder and he falls. The commentator says that the free was of the soft variety and we move on. But just because it's Aidan O Shea, a big man with a high profile whom a lot of people would like to see taken down a peg, there is an epidemic of craw thumping. I have watched AOS being pulled and dragged on and off the ball over the years, only getting a fraction of the frees he deserves. There was a picture on Hoganstand after the Kerry league game of AOS's jersey being stretched to it's limits and he still trying to get a shot on goal( oddly we didn't get a 10 page thread on Aidan's honesty and why he should have got a penalty). Someone obviously had a word in his ear telling him not to be so brave and naieve, so now he goes to ground to make the referee's decision easier. I can understand the usual suspects on here from Galway and Roscommon plus the odd assorted bandwagoner but when I see lads from Dublin, Tyrone and Donegal taking the high moral ground I have to allow myself a little chuckle. Muckross, bless him, can see the irony. On the other incidents yesterday. I didn't think the Cillian incident was a penalty and I couldn't see if the Fermanagh goal was a free or not. The Fermanagh time wasting was very obvious especially from the goalkeeper who somehow couldn't seem to find the right ball for the kickout in the second half. Every team in the same situation do the same. The Colm Boyle incident looked nasty which is disappointing as Colm is the bravest footballer about. If the knee was intentional he was lucky to stay on the pitch and needs to cop himself on. As for Aidan O Shea, he was far and away the best player on the pitch and Cillian's MOTM was a cop out.
Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 10/07/2016 12:34:45
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Replying To gotmilk: "I've had a night and a copious amount of pints to think about it. I don't blame aos. He done what anyone would have, if Quigley had done it o would be building a statue of him in the middle of Enniskillen. It was instinct from ose. Felt he could get a penalty, he went down, Mayo win.
It's in the past now and all Fermanagh can do is try and build for next year. Best of luck to Mayo for the rest of the championship.
Fermanagh for Sam 2017" Fair play to ye gotmilk.
Have to say that I think Pete McGrath and Sean Quigley, whilst obviously very disappointed were fairly measured in their comments. There's something about this Fermanagh team that's really likable. I think they're close to taking a big scalp. Mayo were an awful lot better than they were against Galway and ye still brought them to the wire. Ye've some real quality players... not just Corrigan and Quigley either, Mulrone and Breen were superb in the first half yesterday, full back line is solid, Donnelly and Jones around the middle are very good even if they faded when Barry Moran came in. There's Ryan McCusker to come back...
Would love to see them win Ulster but that's such a grueling championship... even with a few teams off the boil at the moment.
roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 10/07/2016 12:53:21
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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes: "I'm absolutely amazed at the amount of sh*** posted on several threads about mayo's so called "antics".
I was at the game and came away happy that we had improved greatly on our performance against Galway. We were not the finished product by any means, gave away a lot of silly passes etc. but had much more of a sense of purpose than in the last game. I had a quick five minutes on Hoganstand when I came home and thought what the F*** did I miss. I then watched the game over at my leisure, even watching parts in slow motion, to see what all the fuss was about. True the Aidan O Shea penalty was of the 'soft' variety. He felt a hand on his hip and he went down. Exaggerated and dramatic it was but he was looking for a penalty and he got it. It happens in some part of the field in every game on every weekend, a player feels a hand on his back or shoulder and he falls. The commentator says that the free was of the soft variety and we move on. But just because it's Aidan O Shea, a big man with a high profile whom a lot of people would like to see taken down a peg, there is an epidemic of craw thumping. I have watched AOS being pulled and dragged on and off the ball over the years, only getting a fraction of the frees he deserves. There was a picture on Hoganstand after the Kerry league game of AOS's jersey being stretched to it's limits and he still trying to get a shot on goal( oddly we didn't get a 10 page thread on Aidan's honesty and why he should have got a penalty). Someone obviously had a word in his ear telling him not to be so brave and naieve, so now he goes to ground to make the referee's decision easier. I can understand the usual suspects on here from Galway and Roscommon plus the odd assorted bandwagoner but when I see lads from Dublin, Tyrone and Donegal taking the high moral ground I have to allow myself a little chuckle. Muckross, bless him, can see the irony. On the other incidents yesterday. I didn't think the Cillian incident was a penalty and I couldn't see if the Fermanagh goal was a free or not. The Fermanagh time wasting was very obvious especially from the goalkeeper who somehow couldn't seem to find the right ball for the kickout in the second half. Every team in the same situation do the same. The Colm Boyle incident looked nasty which is disappointing as Colm is the bravest footballer about. If the knee was intentional he was lucky to stay on the pitch and needs to cop himself on. As for Aidan O Shea, he was far and away the best player on the pitch and Cillian's MOTM was a cop out." What excuse do you give for o'shea holding is face while there being no contact to it??
http://www.balls.ie/gaa/gifs-following-michael-shields-fall-recalling-3-other-notorious-dives-in-the-gaa/302098
kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 280 - 10/07/2016 13:25:25
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Don't think O'Shea's reaction here was that bad... what was Morgan dreaming of with that attempt of a tackle?
roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 10/07/2016 13:37:26
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Replying To Frederick: "Terrible thread
It wasn't a penalty,
There was a coming together and he went down as legs were tangled.
But it wasn't a dive!
On the other hand, why the gaa do not have video technology is an absolute disgrace." Ok I would like to take back these comments I made. They Were very soon after I had only seen a couple of replays. I don't have sky plus. It was a dive and he has conned the referee. Whether Mayo might have still won we will never know.
had to rectify this.
Frederick (Louth) - Posts: 479 - 10/07/2016 13:46:18
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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes: "I'm absolutely amazed at the amount of sh*** posted on several threads about mayo's so called "antics".
I was at the game and came away happy that we had improved greatly on our performance against Galway. We were not the finished product by any means, gave away a lot of silly passes etc. but had much more of a sense of purpose than in the last game. I had a quick five minutes on Hoganstand when I came home and thought what the F*** did I miss. I then watched the game over at my leisure, even watching parts in slow motion, to see what all the fuss was about. True the Aidan O Shea penalty was of the 'soft' variety. He felt a hand on his hip and he went down. Exaggerated and dramatic it was but he was looking for a penalty and he got it. It happens in some part of the field in every game on every weekend, a player feels a hand on his back or shoulder and he falls. The commentator says that the free was of the soft variety and we move on. But just because it's Aidan O Shea, a big man with a high profile whom a lot of people would like to see taken down a peg, there is an epidemic of craw thumping. I have watched AOS being pulled and dragged on and off the ball over the years, only getting a fraction of the frees he deserves. There was a picture on Hoganstand after the Kerry league game of AOS's jersey being stretched to it's limits and he still trying to get a shot on goal( oddly we didn't get a 10 page thread on Aidan's honesty and why he should have got a penalty). Someone obviously had a word in his ear telling him not to be so brave and naieve, so now he goes to ground to make the referee's decision easier. I can understand the usual suspects on here from Galway and Roscommon plus the odd assorted bandwagoner but when I see lads from Dublin, Tyrone and Donegal taking the high moral ground I have to allow myself a little chuckle. Muckross, bless him, can see the irony. On the other incidents yesterday. I didn't think the Cillian incident was a penalty and I couldn't see if the Fermanagh goal was a free or not. The Fermanagh time wasting was very obvious especially from the goalkeeper who somehow couldn't seem to find the right ball for the kickout in the second half. Every team in the same situation do the same. The Colm Boyle incident looked nasty which is disappointing as Colm is the bravest footballer about. If the knee was intentional he was lucky to stay on the pitch and needs to cop himself on. As for Aidan O Shea, he was far and away the best player on the pitch and Cillian's MOTM was a cop out." Your making an awful lot of assumptions there and an awful lot of excuses. Mayo were the better team, they deserved to win, but be honest atleast be honest and call a spade a spade what O'Shea did was disgusting. To read the vilification of McMahon last year, yet here is something completely dishonest about what O'Shea did and all you can say is "everyone would do,", sorry they wouldn't you are assuming everyone has the same spleen as O'Shea they don't.
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Master, with the performances of Mayo so far this year I don't think any of the top teams would be afraid or wary of Mayo....in my opinion.
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Replying To roundball: "Don't think O'Shea's reaction here was that bad... what was Morgan dreaming of with that attempt of a tackle?" Wouldn't call it a tackle he didn't even lay a finger on him.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 10/07/2016 14:03:16
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Replying To roundball: "Don't think O'Shea's reaction here was that bad... what was Morgan dreaming of with that attempt of a tackle?" So you think it's OK for him to go down holding his face when there was ZERO contact made to that area?
CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 10/07/2016 14:11:13
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I really like Aidan O Shea as a footballer but that dive was despicable.
If Tiernan Mccann got a 1 game ban by the CCC last year , Aidan O Shea should get the same, even if he got it over turned it would show him up and make an example of him as it did with TC last year.
woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 10/07/2016 14:57:24
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When it comes to the very highest level of playing our games I believe that all players, managers and mentors have a responsibility for playing the game in the right spirit. Yesterday's game in my opinion was played in the right spirit but the 'dive' or 'con' did not do anything for Mayo's reputation or that of Aidan O'Shea. it was a pity as the game was a very interesting one and very enjoyable up to that point. It has been the talking point of the match and it should not have been.
The 3 points it added to Mayo's total was at a crucial point of the game. Whether or not Mayo would have won is irrelevant - a pity it happened.
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Replying To arock: "Your making an awful lot of assumptions there and an awful lot of excuses. Mayo were the better team, they deserved to win, but be honest atleast be honest and call a spade a spade what O'Shea did was disgusting. To read the vilification of McMahon last year, yet here is something completely dishonest about what O'Shea did and all you can say is "everyone would do,", sorry they wouldn't you are assuming everyone has the same spleen as O'Shea they don't." You're assuming they don't!!
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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes: "You're assuming they don't!!" Llaw_Gyffes, fair play you are the only poster from Mayo calling Colm Boyle out. Everybody is on about the Aidan incident, the Mayo county board must be delighted with the coverage this had gotten and not the Boyle incident striking a player on the ground and on his back with his knee. He should get a big ban. The Aidan incident makes Aidan look foolish and unfortunately for him this will be a memory many people will have of him. But the Boyle incident is serious and this is the type of stuff the GAA needs to stamp out. Will be interesting to see if the GAA review it. Will the Sunday game also shy away from it tonight. (They spent plenty of time reviewing the Meath player striking Connolly a number of weeks ago)
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A O S does not get anymore rough justice than Micheal Murphy and I have yet to see M M dive.
Also I do think that A O S should be pulled up more often for charging at opponents. You should not try to go through the man -- go round him. I also think he carries the ball into contact a lot, maybe he thinks because of his size he can bully his way through
Feral Doherty of Derry let him know different.
Also if Mayo don't win Sam this year will they continue to keep going with the same players who have failed big time to deliver??
What if they started a game or two without any of the O Sheas and see how they go Fair enough use them as subs. Also using A Moran / A Dillane as subs and you have more or less the same team who beat Cork in 2011 in the Qfinals.
As regards some of the refs who are appointed I would not give them a whistle to go out with a dog gathering sheep as the dog would probably bit a few ewes, as he would get so frustrated with the man's whistling.
SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 10/07/2016 19:08:10
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I don't know about other posters on here but I'd nothing against Aidan O' Shea before yesterday and I still don't today. That's even taking into consideration his prior form in the incident with Pascal Mc Connell where he feigned being struck in the face. The criticism is warranted because he cheated. All cheats should be called out. You are claiming cos he's well known that he's being singled out. I doubt that is the true nature of what's going on. Tiernan McCann wasn't well known last year outside of Tyrone or Ulster but some insiders at RTE and certain people within the national print media made sure he became a household name throughout the whole country. He was vilified to an extent not seen since Sean Cavanagh before him. The witch hunt,cos that's what it amounted to,saw people at RTE calling Croke park to demand punishment. All Tyrone posters condemned what he did on the field cos again he feigned injury and got another guy sent off. We objected to the personal vilification of the player and the Tyrone management. Mayo posters should resist all attempts to demonize Aidan O' Shea also. He did what many others have done and doesn't deserve special sanction for it,just like Mc Cann didn't or Cavanagh or all the others. You must call it for what it was though. He dived and he cheated. Simple as that. Put it in the rules that such behaviour will be sanctioned and then there might be a deterrent for all players to be aware of.
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I don't know about other posters on here but I'd nothing against Aidan O' Shea before yesterday and I still don't today. That's even taking into consideration his prior form in the incident with Pascal Mc Connell where he feigned being struck in the face. The criticism is warranted because he cheated. All cheats should be called out. You are claiming cos he's well known that he's being singled out. I doubt that is the true nature of what's going on. Tiernan McCann wasn't well known last year outside of Tyrone or Ulster but some insiders at RTE and certain people within the national print media made sure he became a household name throughout the whole country. He was vilified to an extent not seen since Sean Cavanagh before him. The witch hunt,cos that's what it amounted to,saw people at RTE calling Croke park to demand punishment. All Tyrone posters condemned what he did on the field cos again he feigned injury and got another guy sent off. We objected to the personal vilification of the player and the Tyrone management. Mayo posters should resist all attempts to demonize Aidan O' Shea also. He did what many others have done and doesn't deserve special sanction for it,just like Mc Cann didn't or Cavanagh or all the others. You must call it for what it was though. He dived and he cheated. Simple as that. Put it in the rules that such behaviour will be sanctioned and then there might be a deterrent for all players to be aware of." Calling it 'a witch hunt' suggests McCann did nothing wrong..he clearly did imo. Like O'Shea he was roundly criticised for it. Do you have any link to support your claim that RTE contacted the GAA to demand McCann was punished? Seems very far fetched
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We all know what he did was wrong. The witch hunt was the response to it. It was all discussed on this forum last year.Unheard of levels of criticism and vilification are what Tiernan Mc Cann and Tyrone faced. The part about RTE calling Croke park was also discussed on here so I'm sure it can be googled. I can't recall all the details off the top of my head but maybe another poster can? The action on the field was wrong,just like all the other players who have been involved in such antics,the response to it was unbelievably vicious,personal and disgraceful in some ways.
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Replying To roundball: "Don't think O'Shea's reaction here was that bad... what was Morgan dreaming of with that attempt of a tackle?" It as a free out to tyrone. Morgan came in to push o'shea away as he could collect the ball. O'shea went down like he had been punched by tyson.
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