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Did Laois use 7 subs ?

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Well this is a bit of a mess, a 73rd minute 7th substitution and then a replay, that's all pretty daft alright.

On the issue of replays, I think the Gaa needs to come out quickly and define exactly what incidents and circumstances constitute a replay and what must stand. They left Louth stranded in 2010 and then ordered 2 replays in 1 month in 2016, they can't let this get out of control!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 21/06/2016 21:27:31    1870484

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "I think Mayo's substitutions that day were within the rules even though they stretched them to the limits. Though Dublin may have been gracious in defeat if the rules were indeed broken then I think that would not have been the end of it. Very careless of Laois but surprising it doesn't happen oftener."
No Dublin said no matter what after that game they were beaten fairly on the pitch and wouldn't be looking into anything.
I think you can Take that at face value to be honest

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/06/2016 21:29:28    1870486

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So it's going to a replay. Will Armagh play it? I d Say they will give it to Laois. It would be hard to get the momentum built back up again for a match of such high importance.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 909 - 21/06/2016 21:37:00    1870492

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Replying To Dellboypolecat:  "
Replying To THE_SNAPPER:  "[quote=Dellboypolecat:  "[quote=THE_SNAPPER:  ""laois using to many subs falls under different circumstances

"Different circumstances" a rule breach, yeah ?

Circumstances do not come into or shouldn't come into it."
Rules where broken by rule book on subs used . On Meath v Louth it was a playing infringement where there is no rule in book for replays .You understand now"
Was it a playing infringement in the Antrim v Meath game that resulted in a replay been ordered, no it related to a score that was given that shouldn't have been given, same as Louth v Meath in 2010 ?

GAA are not consistent with there decision making when it come to replays as far as I can see."]It was a draw Meath v Antrim so your argument like the others do not stand up"]On the day the referee had Meath beating Antrim but that changed subsequently when checks were done and video was looked at. An error/mistake was unearthed. However when a error/mistake was realised in the Louth v Meath Leinster final the GAA did not rectfiy it. You cannot defend the indefensible on what happened to Louth. Two replays ordered in recent weeks for much lesser circumstances than those in 2010.

THE_SNAPPER (Louth) - Posts: 2019 - 21/06/2016 21:50:20    1870501

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Dell,

On the day the referee had Meath beating Antrim but that changed subsequently when checks were done and video was looked at. An referee error/mistake was unearthed. However when a referee error/mistake was realised in the Louth v Meath Leinster final the GAA did not rectfiy it. You cannot defend the indefensible on what happened to Louth. Two replays ordered in recent weeks for much lesser circumstances than those in 2010.

THE_SNAPPER (Louth) - Posts: 2019 - 21/06/2016 22:14:59    1870517

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "No Dublin said no matter what after that game they were beaten fairly on the pitch and wouldn't be looking into anything.
I think you can Take that at face value to be honest"
Respect.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 21/06/2016 22:30:51    1870525

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Replying To THE_SNAPPER:  "Dell,

On the day the referee had Meath beating Antrim but that changed subsequently when checks were done and video was looked at. An referee error/mistake was unearthed. However when a referee error/mistake was realised in the Louth v Meath Leinster final the GAA did not rectfiy it. You cannot defend the indefensible on what happened to Louth. Two replays ordered in recent weeks for much lesser circumstances than those in 2010."
I agree with Snapper's point to a certain extent. The ref report is still where decisions will come from. I think the GAA have taken lessons from that Leinster final and since have moved quickly to rectify issues. However keeping scores and the number of subs used is easy to decide where wrong. In - game decisions by a ref are not so easy and if we went down that road there would be replays every week. Could you imagine the mayhem ?..."he dived which led to the winning point"... I felt for Louth but look at 95 final where Tyrone were very unfortunate from a ref decision and Armagh in 03, or Mayo 96. These three decisions probably changed whrere Sam ended up them years but people need to move on..refs cannot get every in game decision right. And replays cannot be ordered every time... technical issues or were rules are clearly broken do need rectified though.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 22/06/2016 08:46:32    1870577

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Are Armagh going to bother with this?

Lets hope they don't and right award the match to Laois

BigJohn.6_8 (Galway) - Posts: 704 - 22/06/2016 09:47:38    1870599

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Replying To BigJohn.6_8:  "Are Armagh going to bother with this?

Lets hope they don't and right award the match to Laois"
Its scheduled im sure they will

credit_crunch (Armagh) - Posts: 57 - 22/06/2016 09:57:09    1870603

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "Respect."
The thing about this is Armagh didnt ask for a replay if CCCC investigated this game and said to Dublin here the game has to be replayed im certain they would have you need to look at the facts

credit_crunch (Armagh) - Posts: 57 - 22/06/2016 09:58:35    1870604

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Laois Hurling -Ball went through a sidenet and goal was given. Offaly went on to win Leinster- no replay given.
Laois kicked a wide, point given- Laois offered a replay to Carlow after national condemnation
Laois Cork Brawl in Minor or U21 cant remember Mayhem with all players involved. Laois more heavily punished, appeals only heard on evening before All Ireland final.
Laois Beat Armagh- Armagh people crying that a 7th Sub was used in third minute of stoppages.

I have two questions. Why do Laois get more than there fair share of injustices?

Second question- How can Armagh players and supporters seriously want a replay after being soundly beaten? They have some neck up there to actually want to even consider a replay. Surely as any credible human beings they will forfeit the game to Laois?
Or do they want to be the first team to be beaten three times in the one championship.

Hoscarano (Laois) - Posts: 56 - 22/06/2016 10:39:48    1870627

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Replying To Hoscarano:  "Laois Hurling -Ball went through a sidenet and goal was given. Offaly went on to win Leinster- no replay given.
Laois kicked a wide, point given- Laois offered a replay to Carlow after national condemnation
Laois Cork Brawl in Minor or U21 cant remember Mayhem with all players involved. Laois more heavily punished, appeals only heard on evening before All Ireland final.
Laois Beat Armagh- Armagh people crying that a 7th Sub was used in third minute of stoppages.

I have two questions. Why do Laois get more than there fair share of injustices?

Second question- How can Armagh players and supporters seriously want a replay after being soundly beaten? They have some neck up there to actually want to even consider a replay. Surely as any credible human beings they will forfeit the game to Laois?
Or do they want to be the first team to be beaten three times in the one championship."
They have some neck up there?? Armagh didn't ask for this replay but are you actually suggesting they should turn down the chance (no matter how small you seem to think that chance is) to still be in the Championship?

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 22/06/2016 11:02:21    1870648

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Replying To Hoscarano:  "Laois Hurling -Ball went through a sidenet and goal was given. Offaly went on to win Leinster- no replay given.
Laois kicked a wide, point given- Laois offered a replay to Carlow after national condemnation
Laois Cork Brawl in Minor or U21 cant remember Mayhem with all players involved. Laois more heavily punished, appeals only heard on evening before All Ireland final.
Laois Beat Armagh- Armagh people crying that a 7th Sub was used in third minute of stoppages.

I have two questions. Why do Laois get more than there fair share of injustices?

Second question- How can Armagh players and supporters seriously want a replay after being soundly beaten? They have some neck up there to actually want to even consider a replay. Surely as any credible human beings they will forfeit the game to Laois?
Or do they want to be the first team to be beaten three times in the one championship."
I don't think there were too many Armagh people crying foul about it, at least not here anyway, Rules were broken and a replay has been called now if ye are good enough like the day you will win and if ye don't then Laois only have themselves to blame to be honest.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 22/06/2016 11:54:32    1870679

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Replying To Hoscarano:  "Laois Hurling -Ball went through a sidenet and goal was given. Offaly went on to win Leinster- no replay given.
Laois kicked a wide, point given- Laois offered a replay to Carlow after national condemnation
Laois Cork Brawl in Minor or U21 cant remember Mayhem with all players involved. Laois more heavily punished, appeals only heard on evening before All Ireland final.
Laois Beat Armagh- Armagh people crying that a 7th Sub was used in third minute of stoppages.

I have two questions. Why do Laois get more than there fair share of injustices?

Second question- How can Armagh players and supporters seriously want a replay after being soundly beaten? They have some neck up there to actually want to even consider a replay. Surely as any credible human beings they will forfeit the game to Laois?
Or do they want to be the first team to be beaten three times in the one championship."
Read your County chairman's remarks. Laois made a geniune mistake but have to take responsibility. Laois have a rematch back in Portlaoise.. to be honest if I was from Laois I would say thank you and get on with it and count myself lucky.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 22/06/2016 12:18:21    1870691

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If the full rules were applied Laois would be thrown out.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 22/06/2016 12:22:46    1870694

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Replying To keeper7:  "If the full rules were applied Laois would be thrown out."
What rule is that there?

CmonAymonow (Laois) - Posts: 160 - 22/06/2016 12:26:04    1870696

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Its all done and dusted now anyways, the game is due to be replayed on Saturday week so might aswell move on with it.
What happens to the game against Clare now, is that pushed back to the following weekend to be played alongside the 2B round of qualifier fixtures?

One thing though. If this game is a replay (as seems to be the terminology used) does that mean John O'Loughlin has served his suspension in the previous game and can play?
Or is the previous game seen as null and void in which case he would still be serving the suspension?

Andy (Laois) - Posts: 371 - 22/06/2016 12:27:14    1870699

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Will John O Loughlin be available?

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 22/06/2016 12:31:04    1870700

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Replying To Hoscarano:  "Laois Hurling -Ball went through a sidenet and goal was given. Offaly went on to win Leinster- no replay given.
Laois kicked a wide, point given- Laois offered a replay to Carlow after national condemnation
Laois Cork Brawl in Minor or U21 cant remember Mayhem with all players involved. Laois more heavily punished, appeals only heard on evening before All Ireland final.
Laois Beat Armagh- Armagh people crying that a 7th Sub was used in third minute of stoppages.

I have two questions. Why do Laois get more than there fair share of injustices?

Second question- How can Armagh players and supporters seriously want a replay after being soundly beaten? They have some neck up there to actually want to even consider a replay. Surely as any credible human beings they will forfeit the game to Laois?
Or do they want to be the first team to be beaten three times in the one championship."
Itl be a funny story to tell the grandkids that Armagh actually got beat twice and won the all ireland ;)

(lol)

credit_crunch (Armagh) - Posts: 57 - 22/06/2016 12:31:24    1870701

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Replying To CmonAymonow:  "What rule is that there?"
Traditionally, if you played an extra sub or had 16 players on the pitch at any stage you could be thrown out of the competition. With the introduction of the blood substitution & the black card there's a lot of room for confusion nowadays, though.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 22/06/2016 12:56:37    1870710

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