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In the GAA we tend to be good at self regulating or own fans. "Ah lads settle down now" Probably the only self regulation that has worked in Ireland!!!
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Replying To Tir Conaill Abu: "In the GAA we tend to be good at self regulating or own fans. "Ah lads settle down now" Probably the only self regulation that has worked in Ireland!!!" Its actually amazing to see this at times.
I actually heard of a Dublin man punching another Dublin man for saying something awful to a Donegal women.
There is an old Donegal man that must be a season ticket holder because he is always around me somewhere but he is always talking crap during games and its the other Donegal people telling him to shut up.
dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 14/06/2016 09:32:31
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Cork- Tipperary meetings
Have Tipperary ever beaten Cork in both hurling and football in the same year in the history of the Munster championship? [apart from this year of course]
purplehaze (Waterford) - Posts: 11 - 14/06/2016 09:58:03
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Replying To gotmilk: "Seriously? I would watch a right bit of NBA and the yanks would often have the fans mixed in through each other. Even in games that would be considered rival games there will always be fans mixed in through each other. Although there won't be that many from the travelling support, usually only clippers & Lakers games or Nets and Knicks. I've seen Celtics Lakers games where there are celtics jerseys in the crowd in LA and vice versa. I don't watch any of the european game but i have to say im surprised by this." Yeah that's true enough Gotmilk, I don't watch a huge amount of basketball but like most sports in the States, it tends to be a family affair with crowd disturbances relatively unheard of.
In Europe, clubs that we consider to be purely football clubs are in fact sports clubs who play several different sports. Basketball is big in Greece and the Panathinaikos rivalry often spills over into trouble. The former Yugoslavian nations experience the same problem, too. Can't see Croats and Serbs embracing each other any time soon.
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 14/06/2016 10:00:55
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Would the fact that soccer is rather boring not be a major cause of some of the trouble. In an hour and a half of play at the most you might get 10 times to get excited about (1 every 9 minutes) . In your typical GAA match there could be 30 -40 times to get excited, from scores, to tackles and blocks. (1 every 2 minutes). The nervousness building up to the game for what you are about to see and adrenaline of all the activity on the pitch saps any sense anger out of the body mean fans a more excited and therefore no in the humor of causing trouble.
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Truth is in nearly every Sport opposing can fans sit beside each other and mix together after games or contests. ,it's only soccer where violent cowardly gangs are allowed flourish.
Sections of Fans from league of lreland right through to every country in the world have ignorant idiots who get their adrenaline buzz from violent encounters with opposing countries gangs.
Organised on internet and played out in public where innocent fans get caught in it.
The game is a side show for these people.
AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts:4206 - 12/06/2016 16:20:49 All depends on country and sport. You just have to look at basketball and plenty of other sports and European leagues etc. Brother was in Greece last summer with his GF and went to an Athens derby basketball game and there was flares/mental crowd trouble in the indoor arena. As he was in the away section they were held in the stadium/arena for an hour or two after the end of the game to stop crowd trouble.
The game is a kind of side show but its real important to them at same time." ormondbannerman, why can you not use the "post reply" option instead of copying the original
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 14/06/2016 10:37:40
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Replying To anto_meath: "Would the fact that soccer is rather boring not be a major cause of some of the trouble. In an hour and a half of play at the most you might get 10 times to get excited about (1 every 9 minutes) . In your typical GAA match there could be 30 -40 times to get excited, from scores, to tackles and blocks. (1 every 2 minutes). The nervousness building up to the game for what you are about to see and adrenaline of all the activity on the pitch saps any sense anger out of the body mean fans a more excited and therefore no in the humor of causing trouble." not sure if this comment is a wind up , trouble starts before the game has started , trouble takes place long after the game and as in the Euros trouble takes place sometimes days before the games
. Just a note to say lads and lassies that have travelled done themselves proud last night.
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 14/06/2016 10:54:18
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the problem with soccer crowds in england especially (and also other copycats) is that thuggery,bad behaviour,disgusting chanting, drunkennes,goading of locals,passersby,opposing fans is tolerated and celebrated . it has become part of the culture of football. you will find that it is acceptable for football fans to congregate in our outside a pub, put up all their stupid banners, chant all their stupid monotonous, racist,bigoted,sexist, etc etc chants but noone tells them to shut up . the bars allow it, the police allow it. inside the grounds the security and police allow it. so it becomes normal. When England fans go away they then don't understand why the locals take offence at their stupid insulting behavour. "if it wasn't for us youd be krauts" "no surrender to the IRA" "your women are fit, but your football is Sh!t" etc etc. it's all negative, it;s all provocative. there is nothing happy or celebratory about it. The problem is that it's not just the hooligans , others think this behavouur is Ok and laugh it off as banter. It should nt be tolerated and normalised.
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 14/06/2016 10:54:36
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Replying To s goldrick: "the problem with soccer crowds in england especially (and also other copycats) is that thuggery,bad behaviour,disgusting chanting, drunkennes,goading of locals,passersby,opposing fans is tolerated and celebrated . it has become part of the culture of football. you will find that it is acceptable for football fans to congregate in our outside a pub, put up all their stupid banners, chant all their stupid monotonous, racist,bigoted,sexist, etc etc chants but noone tells them to shut up . the bars allow it, the police allow it. inside the grounds the security and police allow it. so it becomes normal. When England fans go away they then don't understand why the locals take offence at their stupid insulting behavour. "if it wasn't for us youd be krauts" "no surrender to the IRA" "your women are fit, but your football is Sh!t" etc etc. it's all negative, it;s all provocative. there is nothing happy or celebratory about it. The problem is that it's not just the hooligans , others think this behavouur is Ok and laugh it off as banter. It should nt be tolerated and normalised." Agreed, but weren't you on another thread complaining that we're all getting obsessed with England fans? Make your mind up Goldrick.
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Replying To s goldrick: "ormondbannerman, why can you not use the "post reply" option instead of copying the original" +1 :)
CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 14/06/2016 11:13:16
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I like the mixing aspect of the GAA games . Although sometimes I think I would like to see segregation not because I worry about violence breaking out but just for banter. Take hill16 for example , because any given day when the Dubs play roughly 90-95% of it is all Dublin fans. This creates an atmosphere that is much better than in the seated section purely down to this in my opinion.
I don't like the premiership or any professional sport really but one thing I do envy about the premier league games (and Irish soccer internationals) is the level of banter at the games. The chanting , the songs etc. Fair enough the Gaa has some of their their own . I mean we have the typical "come on you boys in blue" then you hear the same old GAL-WAY GAL-WAY, MAY-OH MAY-OH chants or maybe come on you super cats for Kilkenny, fields of Athenry for galway, Green and red of Mayo for MAyo..but it is not in the slightest comparable to the premier league or international soccer matches. I'm not sure as to the reasons of this but i quite enjoy some of the chants I see at them games on social media, and they seem to have an endless supply of them, so the banter never leaves . Don't get me wrong there is some banter at GAA matches(particularly hill16) but I don't think it even comparable to that of the premier league games . Some of the stuff the fans chant are hilarious and almost happens spontaneously ,it would be nice to see it more at GAA games and that is why I would be curious to testing out segregation on them grounds .Of course everyone would still mix fine in the pub after and before , I just think it's an interesting idea for creating a different atmosphere in Croke park especially .If all the fans in one area were of one county this stuff is more likely to happen , just a theory of course , and will most likely never happen anyway.
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Replying To MedwayIrish: "Agreed, but weren't you on another thread complaining that we're all getting obsessed with England fans? Make your mind up Goldrick." i was indeed medway, because someone saw fit to start a thread called "engerlaand" or something. you know as well as I know that there are quite alot of people who take more delight in seeing England fail than they do in seeing Ireland do well. Some Scots have the same mentality and it demonstrates a small-minded inferiority complex which I abhor. Now discussing soccer fans behaviour and the English fans in particular is another topic on which I believe I am entitled to contribute.
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 14/06/2016 13:28:24
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ormondbannerman, why can you not use the "post reply" option instead of copying the original
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts:4190 - 14/06/2016 10:37:40 Because the post reply option doesn't let you see what post you are replying to and you cant see exactly what you are replying to automatically and that isn't fantastic and you cant multiquote which isn't fantastic if there is multiple people you want to reply to.
I like the mixing aspect of the GAA games. Although sometimes I think I would like to see segregation not because I worry about violence breaking out but just for banter. Take hill16 for example, because any given day when the Dubs play roughly 90-95% of it is all Dublin fans. This creates an atmosphere that is much better than in the seated section purely down to this in my opinion.
I don't like the premiership or any professional sport really but one thing I do envy about the premier league games (and Irish soccer internationals) is the level of banter at the games. The chanting, the songs etc. Fair enough the Gaa has some of their their own. I mean we have the typical "come on you boys in blue" then you hear the same old GAL-WAY GAL-WAY, MAY-OH MAY-OH chants or maybe come on you super cats for Kilkenny, fields of Athenry for galway, Green and red of Mayo for MAyo..but it is not in the slightest comparable to the premier league or international soccer matches. I'm not sure as to the reasons of this but i quite enjoy some of the chants I see at them games on social media, and they seem to have an endless supply of them, so the banter never leaves. Don't get me wrong there is some banter at GAA matches(particularly hill16) but I don't think it even comparable to that of the premier league games. Some of the stuff the fans chant are hilarious and almost happens spontaneously, it would be nice to see it more at GAA games and that is why I would be curious to testing out segregation on them grounds. Of course everyone would still mix fine in the pub after and before, I just think it's an interesting idea for creating a different atmosphere in Croke park especially. If all the fans in one area were of one county this stuff is more likely to happen, just a theory of course , and will most likely never happen anyway. BarryPD (Dublin) - Posts:24 - 14/06/2016 11:42:58Segregation should only occur if there would be violence if the supporters of each side mixed. Why do you have such fault with professional sports?
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Replying To s goldrick: "the problem with soccer crowds in england especially (and also other copycats) is that thuggery,bad behaviour,disgusting chanting, drunkennes,goading of locals,passersby,opposing fans is tolerated and celebrated . it has become part of the culture of football. you will find that it is acceptable for football fans to congregate in our outside a pub, put up all their stupid banners, chant all their stupid monotonous, racist,bigoted,sexist, etc etc chants but noone tells them to shut up . the bars allow it, the police allow it. inside the grounds the security and police allow it. so it becomes normal. When England fans go away they then don't understand why the locals take offence at their stupid insulting behavour. "if it wasn't for us youd be krauts" "no surrender to the IRA" "your women are fit, but your football is Sh!t" etc etc. it's all negative, it;s all provocative. there is nothing happy or celebratory about it. The problem is that it's not just the hooligans , others think this behavouur is Ok and laugh it off as banter. It should nt be tolerated and normalised." This happens enough in the GAA too , have seen many drunken Dubs chanting at passers by outside hilll16 pub when Kerry and Mayo lost against them in recent finals. Many jump on the band wagon fans who do give abuse to the next level . I'm all for the silly chanting as long as it's not totally racist and in good fun for football.The women are fit and your football is sh1t actually made me laugh when I read that ,persoanlly wouldn't mind it in GAA games but it's unlikely that will happen .It's when the stuff becomes a personal attack on indivdual fans or players it shifts from banter to abuse but if its general and football related I don't see an issue
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