The GAA certainly isnt drug free. Steriods are commin enough in social and club rugby..not the elite end do much where theres alot if testing. Im sure but not certain its the same in hurling. The whole 'body conscious' movement has seen many many people try steriods and many of the same people play abit of competitive sport. Personally I think its all being blown out of proportion. Theres very very few people if any dying from steriod abuse. It improves recovery and general health aswell as performance. The whole discussion needs to be moved on. Steriods are here to stay.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts:384 - 15/04/2016 11:37:23 1845889


Laughable stuff, what hurling clubs are you linked to?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8398 - 15/04/2016 21:08:18    1846053

What about the WWE bloodyban?
Steroid abuse is rampant in that sport, and half those guys dont live to see their forties.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 16/04/2016 17:04:02    1846200

Its not a sport JC.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 16/04/2016 19:45:43    1846263

Yeah well you get my point.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 16/04/2016 19:59:40    1846266

The GAA certainly isnt drug free. Steriods are commin enough in social and club rugby..not the elite end do much where theres alot if testing. Im sure but not certain its the same in hurling. The whole 'body conscious' movement has seen many many people try steriods and many of the same people play abit of competitive sport. Personally I think its all being blown out of proportion. Theres very very few people if any dying from steriod abuse. It improves recovery and general health aswell as performance. The whole discussion needs to be moved on. Steriods are here to stay.
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts:384 - 15/04/2016 11:37:23STEROIDS are not common enough in social and club rugby. Is there some taking some illegal substances. Possibly but impossible to know. And why just talk about Steroids as people take a lot more/other things....

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 17/04/2016 19:22:58    1846496

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:11076 - 17/04/2016 19:22:58

You gonna back it up Ormandello buddy?

I'm interested to see in what context I "got up on my high horse" about you calling me something other than MesAmis.

Really want to see it as I've no recollection of it at all. Doubly strange as I can't think of any reason why it would annoy me for someone not to use my full username!

Looking forward to seeing what links you have Ormo. I'm surprised you haven't posted them yet considering you made your claim and called me a hypocrite almost a week ago now.

What's the word for someone who calls someone a hypocrite without producing any evidence for it? I'm sure you know Ormo!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13802 - 18/04/2016 08:16:38    1846579

I'll leave this here for you Ormo.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/may/15/craig-chalmers-son-sam-anabolic-steroids-rugby-union

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 18/04/2016 09:50:14    1846617

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:11076 - 17/04/2016 19:22:58

You gonna back it up Ormandello buddy?

I'm interested to see in what context I "got up on my high horse" about you calling me something other than MesAmis.

Really want to see it as I've no recollection of it at all. Doubly strange as I can't think of any reason why it would annoy me for someone not to use my full username!


Looking forward to seeing what links you have Ormo. I'm surprised you haven't posted them yet considering you made your claim and called me a hypocrite almost a week ago now.

What's the word for someone who calls someone a hypocrite without producing any evidence for it? I'm sure you know Ormo!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:9507 - 18/04/2016 08:16:38 1846579

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MesAmis I very rarely agree with Ormond and while I do believe there probably are some people in club rugby taking those risks, it would be a tiny number, it doesn't make it right mind you. I would have more issue with the piece where the poster claims it is happening in our GAA clubs, nonsense, and I am still awaiting his response.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8398 - 18/04/2016 09:50:42    1846618

Flaker do you really think the GAA is free of drugs? There are recreational gym users using roids, are you going to tell me that players playing competitive are not?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 18/04/2016 10:34:32    1846655

Flaker do you really think the GAA is free of drugs? There are recreational gym users using roids, are you going to tell me that players playing competitive are not?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:2822 - 18/04/2016 10:34:32


I never said it was drug free. The poster I originally responded to said it was common, which is nonsense.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8398 - 18/04/2016 12:14:21    1846726

If i'm honest I think it might be more common than people are aware. I've no proof but i would say about 10% of all players are juicing of some sort. Again this is just an opinion, not fact. I'm basing it on the availability of steroids in general. A fella i train with in the gym plays amateur football on a saturday. He doesn't use steroids any more but has done a handful of cycles. I know of other boys playing in that league who have done cycles. Of the people I know who play in that league about 10% have done at least one cycle. Are you going to tell me that those who play gaa are any different?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 18/04/2016 12:47:15    1846751

If i'm honest I think it might be more common than people are aware. I've no proof but i would say about 10% of all players are juicing of some sort. Again this is just an opinion, not fact. I'm basing it on the availability of steroids in general. A fella i train with in the gym plays amateur football on a saturday. He doesn't use steroids any more but has done a handful of cycles. I know of other boys playing in that league who have done cycles. Of the people I know who play in that league about 10% have done at least one cycle. Are you going to tell me that those who play gaa are any different?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:2824 - 18/04/2016 12:47:15 1846751


From my experience and current involvement and people I know, I would say 10 per cent is high, again this is opinion not fact so of course I could be wrong. I know a few inter county hurlers and footballers, and while i'm sure there are some doing it behind closed doors I don't think it is that common.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8398 - 18/04/2016 13:01:36    1846758

You gonna back it up Ormandello buddy?
I'm interested to see in what context I "got up on my high horse" about you calling me something other than MesAmis.
Really want to see it as I've no recollection of it at all. Doubly strange as I can't think of any reason why it would annoy me for someone not to use my full username!
Looking forward to seeing what links you have Ormo. I'm surprised you haven't posted them yet considering you made your claim and called me a hypocrite almost a week ago now.
What's the word for someone who calls someone a hypocrite without producing any evidence for it? I'm sure you know Ormo!
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:9513 - 18/04/2016 08:16:38 How many 'A's in Ormond? Stick to my name thanks. Its ormondbannerman or Ormond for short. Be a man and call me by name. You're acting very aggressively. Are things ok or did someone **** in your cornflakes?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 19/04/2016 09:47:02    1847064

I'll leave this here for you Ormond
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/may/15/craig-chalmers-son-sam-anabolic-steroids-rugby-union
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:2827 - 18/04/2016 09:50:14Name is Ormond. And yes some people will take illegal substances but that's in all sports and its not common.
MesAmis I very rarely agree with Ormond and while I do believe there probably are some people in club rugby taking those risks, it would be a tiny number, it doesn't make it right mind you. I would have more issue with the piece where the poster claims it is happening in our GAA clubs, nonsense, and I am still awaiting his response.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts:3878 - 18/04/2016 09:50:42Why is it nonsense that its occurring in GAA clubs?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 19/04/2016 09:48:36    1847065

I'll leave this here for you Ormond
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/may/15/craig-chalmers-son-sam-anabolic-steroids-rugby-union
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:2827 - 18/04/2016 09:50:14Name is Ormond. And yes some people will take illegal substances but that's in all sports and its not common.
MesAmis I very rarely agree with Ormond and while I do believe there probably are some people in club rugby taking those risks, it would be a tiny number, it doesn't make it right mind you. I would have more issue with the piece where the poster claims it is happening in our GAA clubs, nonsense, and I am still awaiting his response.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts:3878 - 18/04/2016 09:50:42Why is it nonsense that its occurring in GAA clubs?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:11086 - 19/04/2016 09:48:36 1847065

Its nonsense because its here say , unsubstantiated , that's the problem with opinion sites people can come on here state **** as fact and don't have to back it up , read over all the posts , where is the evidence ? of all the fellas on this site myself being one that are members of clubs who is saying that the have seen anything even remotely close to whats being spouted out here as fact ? I will answer that for you NO ONE .
Its all innuendo from fellas talking out of there end do , suspicions are not facts , so far the evidence to support doping is I know of a fella who knows a bloke who was related to a cousin that was a member of a gym . Pathetic effort at real discussion , and just a little disrespectfull.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 19/04/2016 10:59:02    1847113

MesAmis I very rarely agree with Ormond and while I do believe there probably are some people in club rugby taking those risks, it would be a tiny number, it doesn't make it right mind you. I would have more issue with the piece where the poster claims it is happening in our GAA clubs, nonsense, and I am still awaiting his response.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts:3878 - 18/04/2016 09:50:42Why is it nonsense that its occurring in GAA clubs?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:11086 - 19/04/2016 09:48:36 1847065



The poster claimed he thought it would be common in GAA clubs, which is nonsense. I would say it is more common in rugby, and I am a rugby fan Ormond as you know, again I don't think it is widespread.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8398 - 19/04/2016 11:11:23    1847122

How many 'A's in Ormond? Stick to my name thanks. Its ormondbannerman or Ormond for short. Be a man and call me by name. You're acting very aggressively. Are things ok or did someone **** in your cornflakes?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:11086 - 19/04/2016 09:47:02

Ormois

I'm great man, thanks for asking!

If you think asking you for proof of your claim that I was giving out about you not using my full username is aggressive then I;m not sure you understand the meaning of the word!

I'm merely asking for you to back up what you said Ormy. Not to difficult a task especially as you made the claim a week ago I think.

Maybe you were mistaken? Mixed me up with someone else perhaps?

Dare I say that you should 'be a man' (whatever that means????)!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13802 - 19/04/2016 11:14:22    1847125

Did you read the article Ormo? A former lion is saying he thinks drugs are rife in the sport. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/anti-doping-experts-concerned-at-rise-in-number-of-amateur-athletes-turning-to-drugs-to-get-ahead-10031430.html

Welsh amatuer rugby is supposed to be rife with drugs too. As far as I'm concerned it's all being swept under the carpet in all sports. Did anyone ever see the al jazeera documentary on drugs in sport around christmas time?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 19/04/2016 11:26:20    1847129

No one has a clue how prevalent this is in the GAA and thats a fact, everything else is hearsay and opinion.

We do know that 3 sportspeople were banned recently, one of the a GAA player.

We do know that GAA players are only subject to blood tests since January this year, one of the reasons it was brought in was because GAA topped the list of missed drug tests in recent years and as recently as 2014 only 89 intercounty players were tested across the board which is very very small when you consider an average of 26 players per intercounty team.

Doping isnt as big an issue with team sports in my opinion, for example you are relying on the team aspect to win and others on the team when compared to individual sports. But to be honest i agree with Sean Cavanagh when he says there may be positive tests in GAA simply because the lack of education and information provided to players.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1508 - 19/04/2016 11:51:05    1847143

How many 'A's in Ormond? Stick to my name thanks. Its ormondbannerman or Ormond for short. Be a man and call me by name.

Hahaha here we go again! Never met anyone more precious about a bloody username for a sports forum! I must tell off those that call me Croi in future, how dare they shorten it!

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 19/04/2016 11:53:30    1847145