An amateur who not only is banned, most likely works for a living , GAA is not above scrutiny however our players are un paid , they work for a living there reputation could be affected from a business perspective and that's unacceptable in my book.
Who should they have used? maybe a certain swimmer I can think of.
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:3164 - 07/04/2016 15:48:31Why would they use that person when the context is completely different and out of date. The use of the pic of one of the guilty parties is perfectly right.
So what If theyre an amateur? What is the relevance of that? Because they're an amateur they cant be covered in the media.
Yes the players are not paid but that doesn't stop media coverage of the good items so why should it stop coverage of negative stories.
Its the players own fault if they're reputation is affected by this. They choose to disregard the regulations.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/04/2016 18:40:49    1843200

An amateur who not only is banned ,most likely works for a living , GAA is not above scrutiny however our players are un paid , they work for a living there reputation could be affected from a business perspective and that's unacceptable in my book.
Who should they have used ? maybe a certain swimmer I can think of.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:3164 - 07/04/2016 15:48:31 1843098


Ha nice shout!

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8398 - 07/04/2016 18:43:09    1843202

Only 95 tests done? If each county carries 35 in the squad that isn't even 3 full squads. The percentages are in favour of cheating.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 07/04/2016 18:45:29    1843205

Damo,

Your thinking of a swimmer, I'm thinking of a certain horse at the Olympics. Should have had meth added on to the end of his name. Sure we all seen the nostrils on him.

Bain (Donegal) - Posts: 470 - 07/04/2016 19:27:38    1843222

An amateur who not only is banned, most likely works for a living , GAA is not above scrutiny however our players are un paid , they work for a living there reputation could be affected from a business perspective and that's unacceptable in my book.
Who should they have used? maybe a certain swimmer I can think of.
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:3164 - 07/04/2016 15:48:31Why would they use that person when the context is completely different and out of date. The use of the pic of one of the guilty parties is perfectly right.
So what If theyre an amateur? What is the relevance of that? Because they're an amateur they cant be covered in the media.
Yes the players are not paid but that doesn't stop media coverage of the good items so why should it stop coverage of negative stories.
Its the players own fault if they're reputation is affected by this. They choose to disregard the regulations.

The swimmer was said in jest can't believe I have to explain that , as for response to my point re unpaid amateurs yes the media do report on good gaa player items , yes but which bit do you not get ? They deserve to be punished by their sport , But in public ? reputations that could affect how they earn their living I'm not sure how many different ways to say it ?

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 07/04/2016 20:02:35    1843239

You would be a dope to think that doping is not widespread among club players never mind the elite county's quads. Talk to anybody involved in health and fitness centres and they will enlighten you.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 07/04/2016 20:27:19    1843244

An amateur who not only is banned, most likely works for a living, GAA is not above scrutiny however our players are un paid, they work for a living there reputation could be affected from a business perspective and that's unacceptable in my book.
Who should they have used ? maybe a certain swimmer I can think of.
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:3164 - 07/04/2016 15:48:31That the players are unpaid is irrelevant. If their reputation is affected its their own fault. PS why do you put space between commas etc as grammar is the difference between knowing your sh** and knowing you're sh**

Only 95 tests done? If each county carries 35 in the squad that isn't even 3 full squads. The percentages are in favour of cheating.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:2803 - 07/04/2016 18:45:29How tests were you expecting to be done?


The swimmer was said in jest can't believe I have to explain that , as for response to my point re unpaid amateurs yes the media do report on good gaa player items , yes but which bit do you not get ? They deserve to be punished by their sport , But in public ? reputations that could affect how they earn their living I'm not sure how many different ways to say it ?
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:3165 - 07/04/2016 20:02:35But what do you not get? They know the risks of taking prohibited substances and know if they are caught they will be punished and it will be there own fault

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/04/2016 21:22:32    1843278

Only 95 tests done? If each county carries 35 in the squad that isn't even 3 full squads. The percentages are in favour of cheating.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:2803

At least it's up (if even only by a few) on the last couple of years. Still though, averaging 3 tests per county across football and hurling is incredibly low.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 07/04/2016 21:40:11    1843286

An amateur who not only is banned, most likely works for a living, GAA is not above scrutiny however our players are un paid, they work for a living there reputation could be affected from a business perspective and that's unacceptable in my book.
Who should they have used ? maybe a certain swimmer I can think of.
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:3164 - 07/04/2016 15:48:31That the players are unpaid is irrelevant. If their reputation is affected its their own fault. PS why do you put space between commas etc as grammar is the difference between knowing your sh** and knowing you're sh**

Only 95 tests done? If each county carries 35 in the squad that isn't even 3 full squads. The percentages are in favour of cheating.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:2803 - 07/04/2016 18:45:29How tests were you expecting to be done?

Do not correct someone's grammar and then make a basic error in the next part of your post.

The correction makes you look small and the mistake makes you look foolish.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13802 - 08/04/2016 08:11:07    1843303

Good article from Dub sub Lenny here on the42

http://www.the42.ie/john-leonard-doping-2704281-Apr2016/

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4745 - 08/04/2016 08:45:39    1843310

Good article from Dub sub Lenny here on the42

http://www.the42.ie/john-leonard-doping-2704281-Apr2016/

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts:2615 - 08/04/2016 08:45:39 1843310

Excellent piece , have heard great things about his book , definitely going to pick it up .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 08/04/2016 10:39:34    1843351

So ormondbannerman tell me this who and when should the naming and shaming begin

Development squads 14 yes or no
Development squads 15 yes or no
Development squads 16 yes or no
Minors yes or no
Under 21 squads soon to be under 19 yes or no
Seniors squad after how many appearances ? If you train but haven't made your debut at championship level Yes or No
If your dropped from panel how long afterwards if playing for your club are you subject to scrutiny .
Club county championship yes or no .

There lads on development squads doing things they shouldn't do , they may ultimately pay the price in losing there place ,

You have an inability to differentiate between an amateur sportsman and a paid professional. Life nor sport is as black and white as you see it , read Joxers piece posted as it probably explains it better than I could.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 08/04/2016 10:47:22    1843358

...But what do you not get? They know the risks of taking prohibited substances and know if they are caught they will be punished and it will be there own fault

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:11027 - 07/04/2016 21:22:32 1843278

The irony of it!

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 08/04/2016 10:52:05    1843362

Throw it out there on the back of Joxers article , a minor 17 years of age doing his leaving cert , takes a joint ,highly unlikely the way minors are these days , but if he did and was drug tested , what should happen ?
At club level 33% at least of my local club would be guilty
The biggest danger to our sport re PEDs is if monetary gain was introduced ,every sport in the world were drugs are an issue there are TWO factors above all else 1/ To be the best gain competitive edge 2/ Risk and Reward The best get paid the best . Thankfully the first factor is what we have to deal with mainly.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 08/04/2016 11:04:58    1843369

There is nothing new in this. It goes on but like the financial criminals everyone escapes punishment as there appears to be very few of the people charged with policing this area capable of enforcing regulations - whether through turning a blind eye or not having the expertise to nail the culprits.
Firstly in my own county I remember a time about 25-30 years ago there were rumours of a very successful team being on "angel dust."
One of their players was on the county team and this thin man became muscular over a short period of time. He was playing great stuff over a period but almost overnight he lost all form. Was he rumbled and warned?

Similarly back in 2008 Tyrone were to play Dublin who were downing all before them. They had one player in particular who was playing incredibly well. This guy had never shown outstanding form prior to this even though he wasnt that young. He was able to run up and down the field for 70 minutes without a problem. However, it was noticeable that his eyes were bulging out of his head, like a rabbit with myxomatosis. Anyway rumours may have got to the media and back to him. Something happened for on the day of the game against Tyrone his eyes looked normal but he was totally anonymous.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 08/04/2016 13:14:58    1843443

So ormondbannerman tell me this who and when should the naming and shaming begin

Development squads 14 yes or no
Development squads 15 yes or no
Development squads 16 yes or no
Minors yes or no
Under 21 squads soon to be under 19 yes or no
Seniors squad after how many appearances ? If you train but haven't made your debut at championship level Yes or No
If your dropped from panel how long afterwards if playing for your club are you subject to scrutiny .
Club county championship yes or no .

There lads on development squads doing things they shouldn't do , they may ultimately pay the price in losing there place ,

You have an inability to differentiate between an amateur sportsman and a paid professional. Life nor sport is as black and white as you see it , read Joxers piece posted as it probably explains it better than I could.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:3169 - 08/04/2016 10:47:22   1843358
Still waiting on a reply , easiest thing to do when discussing a topic is to come out with cliche ridden answers , my question requires you to think and come up with your own original thoughts take your time , maybe some rugby on

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 08/04/2016 21:18:49    1843659

Ormo, 95 tests is less than 5% of all players. I would imagine that if a player is tested they wont be tested again due to the sheer small numbers of tests. So if a lad gets tested in January after a mckenna cup or mcgrath cup game he is free to take whatever he wants for the next while. I genuinely think that around 20% of players should be tested and the possibility of a second test and third test.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 09/04/2016 09:29:15    1843678

I would be inclined to go withDemothedub's point of view. You will always get players breaking rules otherwise there would be no need for a Ref. ormondbannerman take note!. I do not think that increasing the amount of testing will do much good unless you test everyone before every match which is impossible. As an amateur I certainly would not like some fool coming up to me before or after a match to do a test. Gotmilk would you be happy undergoing lots of tests, I guess not. I would be totally opposed to taking any substance, except the odd pint of black stuff. There will always be fools who take the illegal stuff'

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 09/04/2016 11:46:04    1843705

Do not correct someone's grammar and then make a basic error in the next part of your post.
The correction makes you look small and the mistake makes you look foolish.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:9470 - 08/04/2016 08:11:07 Or I was making a point and using muphry's law to make it.

So ormondbannerman tell me this who and when should the naming and shaming begin
Development squads 14 yes or no? Development squads 15 yes or no? Development squads 16 yes or no? Minors yes or no? Under 21 squads soon to be under 19 yes or no? Seniors squad after how many appearances? If you train but haven't made your debut at championship level Yes or No? If your dropped from panel how long afterwards if playing for your club are you subject to scrutiny.
Club county championship yes or no.
There lads on development squads doing things they shouldn't do, they may ultimately pay the price in losing there place,
You have an inability to differentiate between an amateur sportsman and a paid professional. Life nor sport is as black and white as you see it , read Joxers piece posted as it probably explains it better than I could.
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:3170 - 08/04/2016 10:47:22 It starts at the top and if playing at an elite level of the game ie inter county senior level there needs to be testing. By you sticking your head in the sand you are basically given in to the idea that people can take performance enhancing substances. That the players are amateur is irrelevant. Being an amateur doesn't mean you can take liberty with rules around performance enhancing substances.

Throw it out there on the back of Joxers article, a minor 17 years of age doing his leaving cert, takes a joint ,highly unlikely the way minors are these days, but if he did and was drug tested, what should happen?
At club level 33% at least of my local club would be guilty
The biggest danger to our sport re PEDs is if monetary gain was introduced ,every sport in the world were drugs are an issue there are TWO factors above all else 1/ To be the best gain competitive edge 2/ Risk and Reward The best get paid the best. Thankfully the first factor is what we have to deal with mainly.
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:3170 - 08/04/2016 11:04:58 But we're not talking about people taking a joint we are talking about people taking substances deliberately to enhance and improve their performance on the field of play. PEDs will be there whether professionalism is there or if its not.
Still waiting on a reply, easiest thing to do when discussing a topic is to come out with cliche ridden answers , my question requires you to think and come up with your own original thoughts take your time, maybe some rugby on
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:3170 - 08/04/2016 21:18:49Sorry I didn't have time to reply last night. Where have I posted cliché ridden answers? At least my criticism of your posts has been about basic grammatical rules you don't understand. I was watching rugby last night which is why I didn't reply.
I would be inclined to go withDemothedub's point of view. You will always get players breaking rules otherwise there would be no need for a Ref. ormondbannerman take note!. I do not think that increasing the amount of testing will do much good unless you test everyone before every match which is impossible. As an amateur I certainly would not like some fool coming up to me before or after a match to do a test. Gotmilk would you be happy undergoing lots of tests, I guess not. I would be totally opposed to taking any substance, except the odd pint of black stuff. There will always be fools who take the illegal stuff'
browncows (Meath) - Posts:912 - 09/04/2016 11:46:04 Talking about ref is completely different issue. Of course you cannot test everyone before every single game but that doesn't mean you shouldn't test anyone and why should it matter if you're an amateur and why would it be an issue unless you had something to hide?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/04/2016 12:46:21    1843718

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:11040 - 09/04/2016 12:46:21 1843718

Read back my previous post you still haven't answered u16 ! Development squads , leaving certain students ! Answer the question , your not specific , and by the way if why would it be an issue if you've nothing to hide , would go down as a cliche in my book .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 09/04/2016 13:46:39    1843726