Can someone give me names of all these inter county players that suffer "player burn out" from all the teams they play with? The gaa are very worried about these guys but I never heard of any?

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 01/03/2016 10:02:26    1829634

The whole Meath team have clearly been sufferin from burn-out the past 6 years (since they beat us in 2010) ... That can be the only explanation as to why they are so rubbish :)

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 01/03/2016 10:11:10    1829638

Ray Cosgrove
Mark Vaughan

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 01/03/2016 10:20:27    1829645

MIchael Meehan, Sean Armstrong, Colm O'Neill, Stephen O'Neill, Shane O'Rourke. All extremely talented players that never fulfilled their true potential due to persisent injury problems.

Niall Brown and Peter Kelly from my own county are two cases as well.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 01/03/2016 10:26:15    1829648

Prob the most famous one in Kerry was a lad from Laune Rangers called Billy O Sullivan, he got 4-1 in an u21 all ireland final in 91 or 92.
He got flogged by every time there after and was only a sub for his club team 3/4 years later.

Conrad Murphy Cork is probably the best minor underage player that I have seen who literally can say was burnt out by the time he was 21.

But good question Clondalkin as there are other factors beside burn out where top minors/u21 players dont develop.
I dont think it is burn out which has stopped Kyle Coney from developing into the top forward I thought he was going to after seeing him play underage.

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 01/03/2016 10:26:22    1829649

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/202702/Young-Limerick-hurlers-facing-10-games.html

have a read of this

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 01/03/2016 10:27:01    1829650

77 hip operations, 246 knee operations and 724 shoulder operations on teenage gaelic players in 2014. Any responsible sporting organisation would look to address this problem, with many of the operations due to players having too many demands placed on them.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 01/03/2016 10:28:09    1829652

I never heard of any?

Is that possibly the point?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 01/03/2016 10:29:28    1829653

You're an under 21 county footballer who attends college.

You will play in the course of a year:

Provincial under 21 county, if you win you will play in the All ireland series.
For college you will play in the sigerson, the college league, the O'byrne or FBD etc
If you are good you will be called into the senior panel and that's a job in itself (bit of league and championship)
Club under 21
Club senior (a bit of league and championship)

So you are playing and training for 5 teams in up to 10 competitions in the course of a year when you already are doing college exams.

...and you think its a myth?

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 01/03/2016 10:42:40    1829659

Players with injury has nothing to do with player burn out.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 01/03/2016 10:51:07    1829666

I never heard of any?

Is that possibly the point?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:9374 - 01/03/2016 10:29:28 1829653
Too true , the result of burn out is the inability of the body to heel itself through lack of time to regenerate , hence increased injury , result is young lads with potential never fulfilling talent .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 01/03/2016 10:58:36    1829675

It only takes one game to do your knee or shoulder or ankle, injuries are part of most sports especially a contact sport like gaa I'm talking about player burn out.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 01/03/2016 11:05:27    1829682

Players with injury has nothing to do with player burn out.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts:7098 - 01/03/2016 10:51:07 182

That makes no sense, if you play/train more you will get injured more.

Add in the fatigue factor and you will be more susceptible to injury.

I think you have made your mind up on this before you ever raised the point.

It should be patently clear why player burnout is an issue.

To recap:

Huge amount of injuries/operations, players playing for 5 teams in 10 competitions over the course of the year. This is absolutely insane for amateur athletes. Its only in the warped world of GAA where this makes sense. Finally players playing 11 games in a month or 4 games in a week.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 01/03/2016 11:15:11    1829687

All too easy to point to Burnout as the reason for injuries which have cut careers short. I should have fallen in to the burnout category but never had any serious injuries related to overplaying while I know players in the club who only ever played for the club and ended up with injuries that finished them or hampered their careers. All down to genetics - if you are prone to injury you are prone to injury.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 01/03/2016 11:39:15    1829695

Young player in Donegal called Darach O Conner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darach_O%27Connor

He has hardly played any ball due to injuries. I firmly believe it was over exposure that caused this.

To say you have never heard of any is saying that you have never heard of a player who plays for several teams.
If you talk to any professional player/coach they will say how important rest is. When a player plays for several teams he probably has 3 games a week and then when you include training there is no time for rest

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 01/03/2016 11:41:52    1829696

Surely ye understand that your body needs time to develop and heal itself.
Mentioned above is of an U21 college player which is probably the most common example but if you take the few examples even lower that that. The unreal minor player. They can be playing for 6 teams without even talking about college or dual sports.

To not understand that is just crazy in my opinion. I know after I play a game on a sunday it is the tuesday before I am anyway right and that is without picking up any serious injury. If I hurt my shoulder then I wont train between games at all. Now that is just me playing for 1 team.

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 01/03/2016 12:00:23    1829709

That is not entirely true Offside, the medical profession say many hip operations they are performing on teenagers and gaelic players in their early 20s are simply due to wear and tear, which is due to players having too big a workload.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 01/03/2016 12:04:48    1829711

surely part of the burnout issue is mental - i mean training 4 or 5 nights a week plus games -youd get fed up and possibly bored of it -

To Quote rodney trotter "Yes, but some people dream of singing La Traviata at the Royal Opera House, but they don't wanna sing it three bloody times a night. Del Boy - Make your throat sore, wouldn't it?

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 01/03/2016 12:45:47    1829723

agree with soma go to every county team and you would have at least 4 lads who had hip surgery for wear and tear. It's a major surgery too where they shave the bone and most have recovery problems I know o curraion from galway who is only 22 now had it done a few years ago (meaning he got it done as a teenager) has had problems ever since

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1704 - 01/03/2016 12:54:16    1829726

I've played Gaelic football since I could walk and these are the injuries I've picked up playing; I broke my leg (hanging off job like henrik Larson) destroyed my ankle ,broke two bones in my foot broke my collarbone and little muscle pulls here and there but all of them injuries came in one off incidents not cause of player burn out.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 01/03/2016 13:03:42    1829730