clondalkindub- quote: because no one heard of them before 11- May I remind you that, that had more to do with your lack of football knowledge outside your own county /province as the mentioned footballers were well known to most of us. These guys were competing in the most competitive province - one which even the good Dub team of present would have great difficulty coming out of.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 20/02/2016 10:01:33    1826757

It's dead now cause teams have figured it out 4 years ago no one had a clue how to beat it cause they never seen anything like it in the history of Gaelic football.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 20/02/2016 10:06:28    1826759

Maybe it is dead and maybe it isn't . They played in two All Ireland finals and five Ulster finals . Pat Gilroys team were very defensive in 2011 . McGuinesses "system" didn't win an All Ireland until the element of breaking at pace on the counter attack was perfected . Those players he had were good enough to win an All Ireland playing any system .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 20/02/2016 10:29:25    1826762

Brolly mentions Enda Gormleys influence for underage football at the Glen club (Watty Grahams) and their style of play, winning four Ulster minor club championships in a row. well we played the result of this influence in the U21 club championship semi-final last week. We thought (no we have) a good U21 team but they beat us out the gate. If this is the future of Derry football, then, watch this space
Could see them making a visit or two to headquarters on Paddies day in the future

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1067 - 20/02/2016 11:18:37    1826765

So many holes in your statements Clondalkin. As others have pointed out, if you didn't know our players before 2011 it means you're probably a bandwagon supporter who started following football in 2011 when Dublin won the Sam after a long absence. Maybe you know more about Man Utd and Chelsea etc. Many of our lads had played in Ulster Finals and won Div 1 National League medals but I guess that's all startling information to you.

The team have played in 2 All Ireland's in 2012 and 2014, winning one, and won 3 Ulster titles too. So again, your obsessiom about this whole "caught everyone on the hop" point is weak.

By the way, three years had passed between 2011 and 2014... So we how did we catch Dublin on the hop? Are Dublin slow learners?

As for being finished, we are joint too of the league with you guys. We have a more favourable Ulster draw this year and probably a more rounded squad than any year I can remember. So Donegal won't fear Dublin one bit if we meet down the line and you might force-fed more humble pie.

Dublin are a wonderful team but you're a bandwagon bluffer.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1403 - 20/02/2016 11:21:45    1826766

After 2010 , Jim mc Guinness brought the Donegal supporters and players on a journey for 4 years . They dominated Ulster and won Sam in 2012 and again getting to a final in 2014. Will they be as good under Rory Gallagher , who knows. But one thing is for sure without having some top players it couldn't be done. Maybe the blanket approach on its own might of won a few games and got some pride back , , but it cetainly wouldnt have got them to 2 finals. It certainly wouldn't have beat us in 2014 , without having top players also.
What relevance the players being household names pre 2011 has to the arguement is beyond me. Off course Mc Guinness system and knowing where to put players won it for Donegal in 2012 The same way Gavins system in using players won it for us in 2013 and 2015.
It's called tactics ,

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 20/02/2016 12:45:33    1826773

I've never read as much revisionist waffle and pi*h as I have from Dublin fans on this thread and it vindicates the point I am making, i.e. that the Dubs are in denial and are so blinded by their own arrogance and sense of entitlement that they can't or won't recognise the abilities of others. When Donegal met Dublin in that semi final they played them off the park. Once Donegal matched Dublin's fitness and physical approach their better footballing ability took over and they ran Dublin ragged. I have been consistent in saying that this Dublin team are more athletes than footballers and they are not exactly a side that has you sitting on the edge of your seat admiring their talent or skills. They have a whiff of a manufactured outfit trained to do their jobs and, maybe Diarmuid Connlly aside, without any natural footballing talent. I stand by that.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9816 - 20/02/2016 14:39:03    1826783

Well Ulsterman, if thats true it doesnt say much for the rest of the country.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 20/02/2016 14:48:06    1826787

Sadly it doesn't joncarter, it's a very poor football era in my opinion and a very, very average Dublin side at the top of the pile vindicates that. Last season Mayo were by far the better team in the two Dublin semi finals but didn't have the belief to beat them with the line in sight. At times they completely played Dublin off the park with their better footballing skills but yet again Mayo were found mentally wanting.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9816 - 20/02/2016 14:59:41    1826791

I have just read your post Ulsterman and what you have to say in relation to the Dublin players and their abilities is garbage .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 20/02/2016 15:10:02    1826793

Dublin are an outstanding team. 3 All Irelands in 5 years is testament to that. No point having a pop at a great Dublin team over a few clueless fans. Some measured Dublin posters here too. The words 'poor' and 'ordinary' are bizarrely used quite frequently by some posters to describe teams which have won All Ireland titles including Donegal and Dublin. There are enough poor and ordinary teams without tarnishing teams which have excelled at the highest level in our sport.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1403 - 20/02/2016 15:28:42    1826796

Ulsterman they brought there whole team back barr one or two and then just counter attacked, you see it up here on 5 a side astro every week no great achievement cause we set up wrong. Donegal would win nothing without there system don't see how posters can't see that. Yes they've good players but not good enough to win it without jimmys system.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 20/02/2016 16:27:59    1826809

I can't agree with that UM, that Dublin side has class, steel and athleticism all the way through it and have the potential to be one of the great teams, like it or not this is definitely Dublin's decade.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 20/02/2016 16:30:43    1826810

To the reasoned posters on here I have to say fair play because there is so much bullsh*t and begrudery on here day in and day out from people who I doubt have the intelligence to even consider anyone else's point of view and do nothing but reduce any topic to a common denominator of let's try and slag off anyone who might consider any team other than theirs as worthy of a complement.Jesus it's mindnumbing at this stage.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 20/02/2016 16:46:26    1826811

Dublin have an excellent team with good footballers who play at pace and would compete with any team in any decade -its just a pity that we could not fob them off to compete in another province!!! and for me Connolly is the best forward over a number of years with McMahon the best defender over the last 12 months.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 20/02/2016 17:38:05    1826818

Meath just need to rise to the challenge Browncow, that's the benchmark for you now, no point waiting for Dublin to wilt, they won't for some time yet.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 20/02/2016 18:23:45    1826822

To the reasoned posters on here I have to say fair play because there is so much bullsh*t and begrudery on here day in and day out from people who I doubt have the intelligence to even consider anyone else's point of view and do nothing but reduce any topic to a common denominator of let's try and slag off anyone who might consider any team other than theirs as worthy of a complement.Jesus it's mindnumbing at this stage.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts:458 - 20/02/2016 16:46:26 1826811

Couldn't agree more. This thread has gone down a strange route.

Donegal wouldn't without a system, I don't even know what that really means. I thought that was bad but then the Dublin just being a bunch of athletes really took the biscuit.

The other thread on GAA in the media is equally ridiculous it what they're arguing about now.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4516 - 20/02/2016 18:37:23    1826826

Clondalkin you don't know what you are talking about .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 20/02/2016 19:04:38    1826830

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts:458 - 20/02/2016 16:46:26 1826811

Couldn't agree more. This thread has gone down a strange route.

Donegal wouldn't without a system, I don't even know what that really means. I thought that was bad but then the Dublin just being a bunch of athletes really took the biscuit.

The other thread on GAA in the media is equally ridiculous it what they're arguing about now.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:166 - 20/02/2016 18:37:23 1826826

Didn't even go there.Life is too short to be bothered with all this petty sh*t .
Faceless ,nameless individuals who seem beyond sour some of them. The internet has a lot to answer for.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 20/02/2016 19:22:17    1826834

It's my opinion that Donegal would not have won Sam without completely changing Gaelic football with a never before seen system. That's my opinion if you don't like it I don't give a fiddlers, just like UM doesn't rate this Dublin team that's his opinion.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 20/02/2016 19:31:37    1826837