years of experience maybe has something to do with it!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 14/09/2015 15:13:22    1787182

great to see an Ulster Unionist come out and say that. Hats off to him. he is risking a few votes but is doing the right thing.

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 14/09/2015 15:17:05    1787186

Royal Dunne I did not name you specifically as being
partitionist I said those that for those that are
it is a very bad position to take.Judging by your
posts I would say that you dont care about the North
but it certainly wasnt my intention to single you out.
There are far too many people who believe that the
country starts at Dundalk.

Also do you have a monopoly on Irishness???

How can you tell people they arent Irish when
they have an Irish passport that says otherwise???

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 14/09/2015 15:25:45    1787188

Fair play to mr Elliot. Now that's a politician we need. Both sides. (shocking to say that in this day and age) need to come together to highlight that no one wins in this type of behavior. I look forward to the day when someone religion doesn't dictate your politics, in my lifetime i have voted for ff fg lab pds based on either their candidates or more often the policies they have presented. I don't mind socialism i just hate the looney left.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/09/2015 15:27:37    1787189

Anybody on this island who is of a partitionist/West Brit
agenda should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.[/I]

The last time the good people of Ireland were asked, they voted 94% plus for partition. That's a lot of shame by your reckoning, its democracy for almost all the rest of us!

MadgeKing
County: Cavan
The last time the good people of Ireland were asked, they voted 94% plus for partition. That's a lot of shame by your reckoning, its democracy for almost all the rest of us!

No, they didn't, they voted for the acceptance of (and to be bound by) a vital peace agreement. It removed a territorial claim which was seen as unhelpful, and replaced it by enshrining as an entitlement of every person born in the island of Ireland to Irish citizenship. People voted for peace, not partition, there's nothing to be gained from twisting that fact.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 14/09/2015 16:00:06    1787214

Well RoyalDunne I agree that what Mr Elliot said was the right thing but he's done and said enough over the recent past which would force me to disagree with your opinion that he's a politician that we all need!

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 14/09/2015 17:04:41    1787258

Fair play to mr Elliot. Now that's a politician we need.


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/i-wont-go-to-gaa-games-and-gay-events-says-tom-elliott-28572701.html

aye do your research on Northern politicians before you fully endorse them RD, typical ignorance from you on this topic.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2572 - 14/09/2015 18:30:46    1787313

Some people down south are very quick to question the actions of some of our Northern Gaa Members down through the years but its easy for them in their safe worlds...I can guarantee you if it was the 6 counties of munster that were under British Rule ..plenty of GAA members in munster would have went to their eternal reward over the years..unfortunately people are great at looking after themselves and not worrying about their neighbours

hurler32 (Limerick) - Posts: 870 - 14/09/2015 18:37:14    1787316

This thread should be locked, it does no one any good, all it does is give some very ignorant people a platform to give their views on Ireland's History current and past, this then tips normally reasonable posters over the edge .

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 14/09/2015 19:31:03    1787347

It is painful to read some of the nonsensical ramblings of RD and others on a topic they know so little about. A significant number of people in the south could write what they know about the north on the back of a stamp. I am tired of hearing the same old drivel that 'both sides are as bad as each other,' 'if only people could forget about the past.' It is easy to give this advice when you don't live in the north and have not been affected by the troubles.

2setsofrules (Down) - Posts: 99 - 14/09/2015 19:51:45    1787356

Agreed AthCliath.. Or maybe posters who are ignorant to a topic should not comment on it.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 14/09/2015 19:58:54    1787359

The problem Brolly, is that the ignorant ones don't see it that way. These threads allow them hijack a discussion and use it as their own platform for deep seated issues they have. Nothing will be debated just anger spewed out. So really I don't see the point of allowing this thread unless administration likes voyeurism .

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 14/09/2015 20:38:17    1787381

Where I agree some poster including myself have upset one or the other I see it as no need to close this or any posts down. If a few don't like what is being said they should read other topics. Free speech must prevail.

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 15/09/2015 08:00:33    1787407

There's always mindless vandalism anywhere; the point is whether or not a reasonable person may infer that the motivation for the vandalism was based on racism, or not. Generally, attacks on Orange Halls and on GAA clubs are perceived as being attacks on the communities represented by such buildings / facilities. One suspects that the recent attack on Augher's pitch in Co. Tyrone which featured the letters 'UVF' burned into the pitch may have been more than mere empty-headed vandalism, given that organisation's long record of politically-motivated killings against the minority community in the North. See: http://www.irishnews.com/news/2015/09/10/news/uvf-letters-scorched-across-gaa-pitch-in-sectarian-attack-257660/
There will always be pea-brained, racist morons anywhere, on all sides. The depressing aspect is that, while I've never heard of a Nationalist politician doing anything other than condemn attacks on Orange Halls - and on occasion GAA clubs have offered to help Orangemen whose premises have been attacked; see: http://www.thejournal.ie/gaa-club-friendship-bridge-divide-1743344-Oct2014/ - the anti-GAA mentality is a mainstream attitude within Unionism, extending far beyond the pathetic actions of a few moronic hoods; and hatred of the GAA has been fomented for decades by some elected Unionist representatives. Tom Elliott of the DUP is a well-known GAA basher: http://gaeliclife.com/2015/04/john-hughes-foul-play-in-political-football/ as is Jim Wells of the DUP, who even objected to kids fundraising for their local club:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14630476
(Ironically, the 'Bobby Sands Cup' that Jim was giving out about is a soccer competition, nothing to
do with the GAA ... Jim on top of his facts as usual.)
Politicians are politicians and the best of them would never say anything in public unless they were confident it had the support of their electorate.
In 2012, in Co. Down, kids from a local GAA club were using a local council pitch (open to all members of the public) while their own pitch was being repaired.
Local Unionist politicians, such as Harold McKee of the UUP and Henry Reilly of UKIP, had been
leading a campaign to prevent the kids being allowed to use the local council pitch in the first place, despite such facilities being intended to be for everyone in the local community. The UKIP politician fulminated about how "people" [Note: when a certain type of Unionist talks about 'people', he only ever means British people] would see the GAA goalposts as "invasive" and "offensive".
Shortly afterwards, local Unionists came in with heavy cutting equipment, cut down the metal
uprights (effectively turning them into soccer goalposts) and sprayed the word "BRITISH" on the vandalised uprights. The UKIP guy refused to condemn the incident; and the UUP guy refused to condemn it either, noting that if "the Gaelic posts are up, our fear is that they will be up forever".

Note: it's a bunch of kids kicking a ball about a park, and this guy, a member of a mainstream Unionist party, speaks of his "fear".

Does that give you any insights into the British mentality in the North? It's the dregs of colonial racism folks. Comparable to white supremacists going into Harlem, cutting down kids' basketball hoops and spraying "white power" on the walls.

Anything perceived as "too Irish" must be stamped out.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 15/09/2015 08:12:48    1787420

Well i have Said my piece on this, again if anyone can post a fundraising link i will happily contribute.
And i urge all others to do the same, that is the best way to help this club,
I feel doire city myself arock and others have made very valid points that cant be refuted. I hope the psni catch the criminals that did this.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/09/2015 08:40:18    1787440

Exactly Doire City.Everyone is entitled to their opinion.People are
mature enough not to take things to heart.

Besides in your new role of spokesman for the DUP it will give
us some insight into the inner workings of the enemy.....
Thats educational!!!! Lol.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 15/09/2015 09:07:22    1787452

Yeah leave it open as an education... they say ignorance is bliss but if it was there'd be a lot more happy people posting on here...

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 15/09/2015 09:09:06    1787455

"Theres no point in being a fool if you dont show it." -

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 15/09/2015 09:20:52    1787463

Besides in your new role of spokesman for the DUP it will give
us some insight into the inner workings of the enemy.....
Thats educational!!!! Lol.

Ha

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 15/09/2015 09:45:57    1787495