My flag certainly isn't that one!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 11/09/2015 14:15:09    1786091

That's not a flag. That's the IRFU crest. If some Northern players are offended by our anthem being played before games let them play for a team under an Orange flag. Plenty of them played for Ireland before the peace process. One of them was well known for being good at marching but is now infamous for other reasons.

Someone made a comment about RTE being the Electric Picnic channel recently, a valid point. The player was awash with hipsters and music. Some was good, a lot was pretentious tripe.

But as a GAA forum, the majority of us here would prefer to see more GAA. I like all sports, I'd even watch cricket if I was stuck and bothered to understand the rules more.

But some people love movies, hate sport. Some love music, hate GAA, like tennis. Some like a bit of everything on telly while more and more don't bother with telly at all, Netflix, downloading stuff, YouTube etc. It's not easy keeping everyone happy.

I think the GAA coverage this summer was very good. Picking holes in what order they mention GAA news in the sports section is a bit precious. Fair enough if their GAA coverage is poor.

If there's one thing I'd like to see improved by RTE for GAA is to let them have an archive of all live games plus analysis on the player. When I pay my licence I should be able to get a login which would allow me access to look back over old games. The way they only put full coverage of some games on the player and usually only for a couple of weeks is annoying.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8168 - 11/09/2015 16:25:50    1786165

11/09/2015 14:15:09 bumpernut
My flag certainly isn't that one! Tricolour is not the flag of Ireland. The IRFU rightfully put their own flag up and that is the correct thing to do
11/09/2015 16:25:50 GreenandRed
That's not a flag. That's the IRFU crest. If some Northern players are offended by our anthem being played before games let them play for a team under an Orange flag. Plenty of them played for Ireland before the peace process. One of them was well known for being good at marching but is now infamous for other reasons.
Someone made a comment about RTE being the Electric Picnic channel recently, a valid point. The player was awash with hipsters and music. Some was good, a lot was pretentious tripe.
But as a GAA forum, the majority of us here would prefer to see more GAA. I like all sports, I'd even watch cricket if I was stuck and bothered to understand the rules more.
But some people love movies, hate sport. Some love music, hate GAA, like tennis. Some like a bit of everything on telly while more and more don't bother with telly at all, Netflix, downloading stuff, YouTube etc. It's not easy keeping everyone happy.
I think the GAA coverage this summer was very good. Picking holes in what order they mention GAA news in the sports section is a bit precious. Fair enough if their GAA coverage is poor.
If there's one thing I'd like to see improved by RTE for GAA is to let them have an archive of all live games plus analysis on the player. When I pay my licence I should be able to get a login which would allow me access to look back over old games. The why they only put full coverage of some games on the player and usually only for a couple of weeks is annoying it is a flag regardless of what you say it is

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/09/2015 20:44:14    1786267

I thought that Willie Frazer was the only one that got upset about 'flegs'...

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 12/09/2015 13:35:01    1786352

Not forgetting refugees too Benny, he wanted to organise an anti refugee protest in Belfast on Saturday would you believe!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 14/09/2015 09:50:18    1786870

this is stupid, there's a significant amount of players and fans of the irish rugby team that don't consider themselves Irish, why shouldn't we try accomadate them, they don't have any affiliation towards the tricolour, dont we playu both anthems at home matches anyway and you can bring a tricolour in if you want nobody's stoping you

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 603 - 14/09/2015 10:36:58    1786917

Figures showing that Soccer turned up more frequently than GAA on the RTE TV main news and sports programme during the summer months can be further refined by looking at the order of sports items during those 100 days of summer. Once again Soccer comes out on top when you look at the lead sports item on each 6.01 News and Sport.
1. Soccer - the opening item on 24 of the 100 programmes
2. GAA - the opening item on 23 of the 100 programmes
3. Rugby - the opening item on 16 of the 100 programmes
4. Horse Racing - the opening item on 7 of the 100 programmes
=5. Golf/BAKU Games - the opening item 6 times each of 100 programmes
7. Hockey - the opening item 5 times out of 100
8. Boxing - the opening item 4 times out of 100
=9. Athletics/Cycling/Showjumping/Tennis - the opening item 2 times each out of 100
13. University Games - the opening item 1 time out of 100
Again if the GAA can't claim the number 1 spot in the summer months what are the chances for the rest of the year? There are a few other surprises on the list as well.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 14/09/2015 20:14:31    1787370

Sorry ormo, the tricolour is the flag of Ireland and we all know the national anthem of Ireland.
Ireland's call is a painful song that keeps anyone from getting upset , which is fair enough . I usually turn down the volume when it's sang or Roared which ever it is.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 14/09/2015 20:50:11    1787390

14/09/2015 20:50:11
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Sorry ormo, the tricolour is the flag of Ireland and we all know the national anthem of Ireland.
Ireland's call is a painful song that keeps anyone from getting upset , which is fair enough . I usually turn down the volume when it's sang or Roared which ever it is.Athclit the flag of Ireland isn't the tricolour. It doesn't represent all and many unionists don't see it representing them.
Irelands Call is to represent all. Not about keeping people from being upset.
You must be fairly sad if you are one of those who turn the volume down because of a national anthem. Do you do the same for GSTQ etc?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 15/09/2015 10:34:10    1787530

It doesn't represent all though. It represents Northern players who aren't happy to sing along to our national anthem. Many Northern players, most of them Protestants, weren't happy to stand for our anthem in the past, but they still played. Actually Ireland's Call is a decent enough tune considering that a lot of anthems are tuneless bores, but the lyrics are cack. It's not our national anthem. What will they do in ten years time when some naturalized players with African or Eastern European origin make it onto the Irish team? Change the 'let's suit everyone in the team in our politically correct times' Ireland's Call to another tune with a Derry connection. All kinds of Everything!!!

The flag of Ireland is the tricolour and we know what the green white and gold/orange signifies. If some northern protestant rugby players feel that strongly about Northern Ireland or the United Kingdom and don't like our anthem they should play for some other country. I think their love of rugby is greater than their desire to protest about the tricolour or our anthem and won't stop them playing for Ireland. If it is then just have no anthem before Ireland rugby internationals.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8168 - 15/09/2015 12:07:10    1787631

15/09/2015 12:07:10 GreenandRed
It doesn't represent all though. It represents Northern players who aren't happy to sing along to our national anthem. Many Northern players, most of them Protestants, weren't happy to stand for our anthem in the past, but they still played. Actually Ireland's Call is a decent enough tune considering that a lot of anthems are tuneless bores, but the lyrics are cack. It's not our national anthem. What will they do in ten years time when some naturalized players with African or Eastern European origin make it onto the Irish team? Change the 'let's suit everyone in the team in our politically correct times' Ireland's Call to another tune with a Derry connection. All kinds of Everything!!!
The flag of Ireland is the tricolour and we know what the green white and gold/orange signifies. If some northern protestant rugby players feel that strongly about Northern Ireland or the United Kingdom and don't like our anthem they should play for some other country. I think their love of rugby is greater than their desire to protest about the tricolour or our anthem and won't stop them playing for Ireland. If it is then just have no anthem before Ireland rugby internationals. How does it not represent all. You don't have to have or use an official national anthem anyway. Scotland don't. England doesn't have an official national anthem.
The set up of irish rugby promotes unity and these ideas of people here just promote discord.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 15/09/2015 15:31:05    1787799

15/09/2015 12:07:10 GreenandRed
It doesn't represent all though. It represents Northern players who aren't happy to sing along to our national anthem. Many Northern players, most of them Protestants, weren't happy to stand for our anthem in the past, but they still played. Actually Ireland's Call is a decent enough tune considering that a lot of anthems are tuneless bores, but the lyrics are cack. It's not our national anthem. What will they do in ten years time when some naturalized players with African or Eastern European origin make it onto the Irish team? Change the 'let's suit everyone in the team in our politically correct times' Ireland's Call to another tune with a Derry connection. All kinds of Everything!!!
The flag of Ireland is the tricolour and we know what the green white and gold/orange signifies. If some northern protestant rugby players feel that strongly about Northern Ireland or the United Kingdom and don't like our anthem they should play for some other country. I think their love of rugby is greater than their desire to protest about the tricolour or our anthem and won't stop them playing for Ireland. If it is then just have no anthem before Ireland rugby internationals. Irelands Call does represent all. How does it not?
You don't have to play a national anthem before a game. Scotland don't. England don't. There is other countries who don't.
The flag of Ireland isn't the tricolour. We all know what the colours represent but the flag as a whole represents something else and as some of those from the north do feel so strong on this issue the irfu are right to act as they do.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 15/09/2015 15:50:51    1787811

Ormond, it represents Ireland for those of us that recognise Ireland. If Northern players don't and have an allegiance to another flag then fair enough let them play. But the team is called Ireland, not Ireland and some other members of the Coomonwealth that most Ulster players, bar Tommy Bowe, have an allegiance to. That would be just a nightmare for commentators and jersey switchers. Joking on the last point but we're Ireland.

You didn't address my point about the anthem and the flag being OK for Ulster players in time's past.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8168 - 15/09/2015 16:42:54    1787846

There is a wider discussion here to be had on the definition of what is a nation. is it a people? A geographical space? a political entity (ie a republic)? a combination of all three...

Unless you reach a consensus on the definition of the nation then you will struggle to reach an agreement on what is the appropriate 'national' flag or 'national' anthem for the rugby team. Likewise nobody in Ireland is under any obligation to support Ireland over say any other team (in any sport).

Either way, at the moment there is harmony. The Irish rugby team and supporters are happy with their identity and that crucially is what matters. Those Irish people that do not like it are perfectly entitled to disagree, shout for opposing teams even. I don't think any side has the right to the moral high ground.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 15/09/2015 18:52:04    1787882

15/09/2015 16:42:54
GreenandRed
Ormond, it represents Ireland for those of us that recognise Ireland. If Northern players don't and have an allegiance to another flag then fair enough let them play. But the team is called Ireland, not Ireland and some other members of the Coomonwealth that most Ulster players, bar Tommy Bowe, have an allegiance to. That would be just a nightmare for commentators and jersey switchers. Joking on the last point but we're Ireland.
You didn't address my point about the anthem and the flag being OK for Ulster players in time's past. Maybe in times past it wssnt right time to make a change however with peace process it was felt it was correct time to make an official change
IRFU have virtually always had its own flag. Designed in 1925... however tricolor has been flown at home games since 32....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rugby_Football_Union#/media/File:IRFU_Provinces_Flag.jpg
the IRFU use their own flag.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 15/09/2015 19:01:49    1787887

Both anthems should be played abroad as they are in The Aviva and both flags should be followed out on to the field. I have no problem with Ireland's Call being sung but I have a major problem with Amhran na bhFiann not being sung at a World Cup. It represents about 85% of the people on this island.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6182 - 15/09/2015 19:03:55    1787888

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.Athclit the flag of Ireland isn't the tricolour. It doesn't represent all and many unionists don't see it representing them.
Irelands Call is to represent all. Not about keeping people from being upset.
You must be fairly sad if you are one of those who turn the volume down because of a national anthem. Do you do the same for GSTQ etc?

Irelands call is not a national anthem . its a poor tune put together a bit like an entry to the eurovision. I turn down the volume on many eurovision songs. As for Gstq i just change channel ( but sure thats just ignorant old me)
If the Rugby players are happyr with this tune fine, but dont be trying to dismiss our history and anthem to suit your all inclusive made up anthem arguement.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 15/09/2015 21:17:38    1787958

15/09/2015 19:03:55 Greengrass
Both anthems should be played abroad as they are in The Aviva and both flags should be followed out on to the field. I have no problem with Ireland's Call being sung but I have a major problem with Amhran na bhFiann not being sung at a World Cup. It represents about 85% of the people on this island.Both anthems shouldnt and wont be played abroad. Both flags wont be used. Amhran na bhfiann doesnt represent all and there is several other countries who dont use a national anthem prior to their games so we are not any different
15/09/2015 21:17:38 AthCliath
Irelands call is not a national anthem. its a poor tune put together a bit like an entry to the eurovision. I turn down the volume on many eurovision songs. As for Gstq i just change channel ( but sure thats just ignorant old me)
If the Rugby players are happyr with this tune fine, but dont be trying to dismiss our history and anthem to suit your all inclusive made up anthem arguement. Where does it state what a national anthem is? You must be fairly sad and pathetic if you cant sit through your closest neighbours national anthem for a few seconds prior to a match/event/
I havent dismissed anything of Irelands history/anthem because of my thoughts on this issue. You and those calling for amhran na bhfiann to be played before all games are very dismissive of irelands history

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/09/2015 12:27:47    1788108

Ormond that is laughable in it's inconsistency. I presume when you say that Amhran na bhFiann doesn't represent everyone on the island and that the Tricolour doesn't represent everyone on the island you are inferrring that Ireland's Call and the flag of The IRFU both represent everyone on the island. Nothing could be further from the truth. To say Ireland's Call represents everyone on the island is to be deeply dishonest. In not flying the Tricolour and in not playing Amhran na bhFiann The IRFU is denying the traditions of the vast majority of the people in this island . The players represent everyone on the island . Both traditions should be accommodated . At the moment the majority of the population is being snubbed. I appreciate that is not easy to accomodate both traditions but right now The IRFU needs to do better. We are constantly being told that this is the largest sporting event on the planet this year ( though many tennis fans in particular would beg to differ). Given that I am represented by my national team I would like to see my flag being flown . Your argument with regards to Flower of Scotland, Land of Our Fathers and God Save The Queen are disingenuous. Having said all that Ormond we'll all be on the same side come Saturday.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6182 - 16/09/2015 16:33:44    1788270

Ormo,

I dont care about Irelands call, its a compromise tune to keep every one happy.Some people like it , some dont. But an anthem of this Country it is not. Its a rugger tune, (you wont hear it being played at the end of a Disco ( thats the clincher for me ;) Im not sad because i hate GSTQ , i cant help it and dont get me started on the UnionJack. If im in a staduim i will tolerate it but thats about it. But sure we all move on ,

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 16/09/2015 16:54:15    1788277