07/01/2016 20:23:11 bennybunny (Cork) - Posts:3054
I am not sure what the average attendance at tertiary competitions in Gaelic Games in the month of January is but I would guess it would be on a par with that (please provide statistics if you have them that state otherwise). The LOI gets reasonable coverage on RTE (a few live games, a magazine show) yet as Mediaman says RTE could not spend 25 seconds simply listing the results. It is an irrelevance what types of competition the mcKenna cup, Walsh Cup are, if people are interested. It seems that there is broadly similar interest in the tertiary GAA competitions as there is in the League of Ireland but there is a significant disparity in coverage.But should these competitions be getting any significant coverage in the media if theyre only tertiary competitions? Tertiary is "Third in place, order, degree, or rank" so why should third tier competitions get results covered in depth?
The League of Ireland is the primary and premier domestic soccer competition in Ireland and that deserves coverage in a significant way. Do third tier warm up competitions need so much coverage? You calling them tertiary competitions shows that they don't need much coverage

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/01/2016 20:35:27    1815201

Fair points re the League of Ireland attendances.I am a Shamrock Rovers supporter and get to a few home games each year.If i didn't work so many Friday evenings/nights i would attend a lot more.It always disappoints me to see such small attendances at quite a lot of the games,while the airports on Fri/Sats' are full of lads in Liverpool & Man Utd jerseys.When Liverpool played an end of season friendly in Dublin last year,i think nearly 40,000 turned up to watch a Liverpool reserve team play.Dermot Keeley called these people "muppets!".Harsh words,but i could see where he was coming from.
While i never attend Walsh or O ' Byrne Cup matches,they do seem to get some decent crowds at some of the games.Didn't Armagh v Down attract 10,000 to a game last year?League of Ireland clubs' could only dream of an attendance like that.Fair play mediaman,you certainly do keep a check on RTE's GAA coverage.Or lack thereof.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 07/01/2016 20:41:10    1815203

The figures for RTE's 6.01 News and Sport for the month of December show some interesting changes from November. There were 29 Sports bulletins in December (no sports news on the 24th and 25th). The first item breakdown involves 5 different sports.

1. Soccer was the first item on 15 of the 29 programmes (52%)
2. Rugby was the first item on 9 of the 29 programmes (31%)
3. Gaelic Games was first on 3 of the 29 programmes (10%)
4. Horse Racing was first on 1 programme (3%)
5. UFC was first on 1 programme (3%)

The same pattern occurs when we look at the frequency of items.

1. Soccer featured on 29 of the 29 programmes (100%)
2. Rugby featured on 27 of the 29 programmes (93%)
3. Horse Racing featured on 17 programmes (59%)
4. Gaelic Games featured on15 programmes (52%)

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 07/01/2016 21:27:50    1815224

Ormondbannerman

I am well aware of definition of the words I use.

Main Point: I couldn't care less if RTE didn't show one minute of GAA action from one end of the year to the next. I know where to go to get my fill of any sports coverage.

It is not up to you (or I) to say what people should be interested in.

If people are more or as interested (judging by attendances at games) in tertiary GAA competitions than premier soccer competitions in this country then so be it. Mediaman simply made the point that RTE couldn't give 25 seconds to call out the results.

You always harp on about commercial sense (and I agree with that mostly in terms of your points about rugby world cup vis-a-vis club championship games) but the commercial sense argument is not relevant here if McKenna Cup games get higher average figures than LOI games yet cannot get 25 seconds of coverage on a Wednesday night in January.

I don't begrudge any coverage the LOI gets (I occasionally nip down to Turner's Cross) and mediaman is not asking for Dublin v IT Carlow to be shown live on RTE.

They could call out the result though. They choose not too.

I am getting the 25 seconds figure from Mediaman's post. Read my mainpoint above. I don't count myself.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 07/01/2016 21:33:28    1815227

Fair points re the League of Ireland attendances.I am a Shamrock Rovers supporter and get to a few home games each year.If i didn't work so many Friday evenings/nights i would attend a lot more.It always disappoints me to see such small attendances at quite a lot of the games,while the airports on Fri/Sats' are full of lads in Liverpool & Man Utd jerseys.When Liverpool played an end of season friendly in Dublin last year,i think nearly 40,000 turned up to watch a Liverpool reserve team play.Dermot Keeley called these people "muppets!".Harsh words,but i could see where he was coming from.
While i never attend Walsh or O ' Byrne Cup matches,they do seem to get some decent crowds at some of the games.Didn't Armagh v Down attract 10,000 to a game last year?League of Ireland clubs' could only dream of an attendance like that.Fair play mediaman,you certainly do keep a check on RTE's GAA coverage.Or lack thereof.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts:3182 - 07/01/2016 20:41:10

And here was me thinking you weren't too bad (for a Dub - to put it in context)!!

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 07/01/2016 21:45:49    1815230

07/01/2016 21:33:28 bennybunny (Cork)
Ormondbannerman, I am well aware of definition of the words I use. Main Point: I couldn't care less if RTE didn't show one minute of GAA action from one end of the year to the next. I know where to go to get my fill of any sports coverage. It is not up to you (or I) to say what people should be interested in. If people are more or as interested (judging by attendances at games) in tertiary GAA competitions than premier soccer competitions in this country then so be it. Mediaman simply made the point that RTE couldn't give 25 seconds to call out the results. You always harp on about commercial sense (and I agree with that mostly in terms of your points about rugby world cup vis-a-vis club championship games) but the commercial sense argument is not relevant here if McKenna Cup games get higher average figures than LOI games yet cannot get 25 seconds of coverage on a Wednesday night in January. I don't begrudge any coverage the LOI gets (I occasionally nip down to Turner's Cross) and mediaman is not asking for Dublin v IT Carlow to be shown live on RTE. They could call out the result though. They choose not too. I am getting the 25 seconds figure from Mediaman's post. Read my mainpoint above. I don't count myself.Are you though? Tertiary events don't need to be covered as much as primary or secondary events. I have not said anywhere or declared anywhere what people should be interested in. However premier sporting events deserve to be covered significantly more than third tier events. Attendance in the gate isn't the prime indicator of popularity of an event. Television market share plays as big a role. They could choose to call out results and they will sometimes but if there's a lot of results and there's limited time then the results will not be called out.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/01/2016 21:56:11    1815233

Ormond ten results would take 30 seconds to read out . That is not much coverage . It is basic manners to read them out . People would like to know how their county did .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6183 - 08/01/2016 11:54:58    1815265

08/01/2016 11:54:58 Greengrass (Louth) - Posts:4173
Ormond ten results would take 30 seconds to read out. That is not much coverage. It is basic manners to read them out. People would like to know how their county did.Basic manners hahahahahaha
10 results would take longer than 30 seconds to read out.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/01/2016 12:07:54    1815268

Benny,your not going to slate me for supporting Ireland's most successful football team - 17 League titles & 24 FAI Cups' - now are ya(:
I see you like to nip down to Turners Cross once in a while.Good to hear.It does not have the glamour,hype or razzmatazz as our neighbours in England,but for the likes of myself,my fellow Dub Mesamis - who supports the dreaded Bohemians from across the Liffey - and yourself,sometimes being at Dalymount Park ,Inchicore,down by the Camac or the Tallaght Stadium,under lights on a cool Friday evening,there's no place i'd rather be.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 08/01/2016 12:28:10    1815274

Ormo
10 results would take longer than 30 seconds to read out.
Last week mediaman complimented RTE on reading out all 29 results, noting it took 1 minute 25 seconds. I have every faith you are bright enough to calculate from that roughly how long it takes to read 10 results....

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 08/01/2016 12:40:51    1815276

No need Soma - in the interest of science I timed myself reading out the 10 results from the midweek games. I came in at around 25 seconds from start to finish.

Ormond - have a go yourself. Here's what I read out:

And lastly turning to the GAA results - in tonights second round games of Leinsters O'Byrne Cup:
Dublin 3-24 IT Carlow 2-08
Wexford 1-03 DCU 1-08
Laois 1-16 Carlow 1-09
Meath 0-11 UCD 2-08
Westmeath 0-14 Longford 1-10
Wicklow 0-09 Maynooth University 1-15
Kildare 0-08 Louth 2-11
Offaly 0-10 DIT 2-11

In Ulster and there were two games in the McKenna Cup, Fermanagh defeated St Marys 1-13 to 14 points in the refixed first round game while Antrim defeated the students of Queens 3-11 to 1-22 in round 2.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 08/01/2016 13:54:52    1815306

Ormondbannerman

You are not going to be able to see it (given, as other posters have pointed out, rudimentary arithmetic escapes you) but you have employed circular reasoning.

Your focus on the semantic and pedantic has also made you lose sight of mediaman's argument: 25/30/35 seconds to read out a few results is all is required. They have chosen not to.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 08/01/2016 15:38:08    1815338

Soma you cant criticse any of my posts when you deliberately spell my name incorrectly just to antagonise me.
08/01/2016 15:38:08 bennybunny (Cork) - Posts:3058 -
Ormondbannerman You are not going to be able to see it (given, as other posters have pointed out, rudimentary arithmetic escapes you) but you have employed circular reasoning.
Your focus on the semantic and pedantic has also made you lose sight of mediaman's argument: 25/30/35 seconds to read out a few results is all is required. They have chosen not to.There isn't a demand for these results to be read out. Where are all the petitions/demands in places RTE can see desiring change? There is no real appetite for change from either within RTE or from its viewers and readers

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/01/2016 15:56:25    1815347

Ormondbannerman

You seem to think it is ok for you to disrespectfully laugh at his post to antagonise him though?

They called out the results last Sunday despite lack of demand as you see it.

RTE increasingly don't need to provide any sports results service as most people have access to twitter and they can filter sports news to their liking (obviously not everyone is on it).

If RTE decide to provide sports bulletin, then there is no reason why they should not include 25 seconds for a GAA game only that they simply choose not to.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 08/01/2016 16:24:51    1815354

Ormondbannerman

You seem to think it is ok for you to disrespectfully laugh at his post to antagonise him though?

They called out the results last Sunday despite lack of demand as you see it.

RTE increasingly don't need to provide any sports results service as most people have access to twitter and they can filter sports news to their liking (obviously not everyone is on it).

If RTE decide to provide sports bulletin, then there is no reason why they should not include 25 seconds for a GAA game only that they simply choose not to.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 08/01/2016 16:34:11    1815356

That a boy Ormo........sticking it to the RTE!!!!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 08/01/2016 17:10:54    1815364

I noticed for the end of year sports quiz RTE had 6 sports personalities take part. A jockey, a boxer, a soccer player, a hurler and a former rugby player made up the 5 male contestants. The female contestant was a woman's rugby player. Felt it summed up pretty well what Mediaman has been highlighting.

Soma (UK) - Posts:1248 - 07/01/2016 12:19:38

Briggs played intermediate football and hunt played minor hurling for waterford - so 3 of them/half had a better gaa background than the vast majorityof people - maybe not so biased afterall

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 08/01/2016 17:49:14    1815368

In terms of attendance, facilities, competitions, it's importance to communities and it's relevance to Irish society The GAA is the only show in town.Tinryland. I would have voted for Shane Longs goal and. I am a GAA man through and through.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts:4173 - 19/12/2015 20:23:18 18

CAnt agree its the only show in town - yes 2 great sports and by far the most popular - but not the only show in town -plenty of good attendances,facilities competitions in other sports too

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 08/01/2016 17:50:59    1815370

cant anybody explain to me how RTE can be seen to be biased away from gaa towards rugby when you consider

Rte show around 35 live gaa games per year compared to around 20 Rugby games
RTE show live championship + camogie and league highlights -they show no Champions cup, no pro12, no rugby world cup, no southern hemisphere tours, and soon enough no 6 nations
-rte show sunday games, up for the match, thank gaa its friday - compared to a lot less against the head
rte show gaa draw - they dont show any draws in rugby
rte show all stars - rte dont show equivalent in rugby

-separately i think they should read out the results of the walsh obyrne mcgrath mckenna cups etc

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 08/01/2016 17:58:08    1815371

08/01/2016 16:34:11 bennybunny (Cork) - Posts:3060
Ormondbannerman You seem to think it is ok for you to disrespectfully laugh at his post to antagonise him though?
They called out the results last Sunday despite lack of demand as you see it.
RTE increasingly don't need to provide any sports results service as most people have access to twitter and they can filter sports news to their liking (obviously not everyone is on it).
If RTE decide to provide sports bulletin, then there is no reason why they should not include 25 seconds for a GAA game only that they simply choose not to.That's completely hypocritical on a number of fronts. I laughed as the post was nonsense. Your point on RTE not needing to call out results is nonsense as with your way of thinking to come up with that point then RTE may as well not bother show results on the news at all as most people have access to other sites to gain their news.
RTE choose not to spend the time on these GAA results as there is no demand for them to cover these results

08/01/2016 17:10:54 JayP (Dublin) - Posts:1288
That a boy Ormo........sticking it to the RTE!!!How exactly are you? Why are you calling me names? I don't call you names so why are you calling me names

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/01/2016 18:32:40    1815377