Rubbish. The bad weather keeps the bandwagoners on their sofa's. Rugby is behind football hurling and even soccer in its so called limerick heartland. The number of respective clubs show that. Ormonde even you can't deny the fact that thomond park, for the second most important head to head of the pro 12, was a ghost town.

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 30/10/2015 21:21:23    1803255

THe reality is that if the GAA set up a proper competition structure with genuine competitive games that lasted 5-6 months of the year, we would be able to attract better sponsorship for all counties who really want to take it seriously.

The current structure of three months (7 matches) of league and 4-5 championship games (over 4-5 months) handicaps both Hurling and football.

Connaught were a laughing stock in rugby for a hundred years before a proper competition was devised which has allowed them to develop and their are now seriously competitive both in underage and senior rugby.

The GAA provides no competition that would allow weaker counties develop in any shape or form and whats worse is the weaker counties are happy with their lot.
We are our own enemies in this and no amount of crying about the press will change it.

We will get a fair crack from the press when we give our own counties a fair competition.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1521 - 31/10/2015 10:55:55    1803284

30/10/2015 21:21:23
sceptical
Rubbish. The bad weather keeps the bandwagoners on their sofa's. Rugby is behind football hurling and even soccer in its so called limerick heartland. The number of respective clubs show that. Ormonde even you can't deny the fact that thomond park, for the second most important head to head of the pro 12, was a ghost town. It isn't rubbish. Munster and several other teams have complained to the league organisers about 6pm kickoffs.
Bad weather is an issue but bigger is 6pm kickoff. You have to leave work early no matter where you work to make a 6pm kickoff and if you live in Cork/Waterford/Kerry/South Tipp you then have an hour or so of travel.
Thomond was relatively empty but that was primarily due to the kickoff time

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/10/2015 11:02:04    1803286

Tinrawley those competition structures in The GAA you deride attract by far the biggest crowds for team sports in this country. . No other sport comes anywhere near. The competitions most certainly could be improved but then what competition couldn't ? The national leagues are excellent. Munster hurling and most especially Ulster football are exceptional competitions and the All Irelans series in hurling and football are the top field sport competitions in the land. On that basis they deserve coverage as a public service broadcaster by remit is required to take cognisance of the interests of the people. By the way part of the reason Connacht ( not Connaught) became competitive is because The IRFU at long last provided more funding for Connacht. It is not that long ago ago that Connacht was threatened with extinction. Qualification for The Heineken Cup for the Irish provinces was a four team competition decided by means of placings in The Magniers League.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6182 - 31/10/2015 11:47:52    1803297

To be fair sceptical after a few weekends drinking in London and Cardiff I am sure many livers and wallets are happy to get a few weeks away from the rugby. That said I was looking at attendance figures for football league division 1 games earlier this year and some weekends the total attendance for the 4 games involving just 8 counties was greater than the total attendance for a full round of 6 Pro12 games played across 4 countries! Still we are told nobody cares about the national leagues and the Pro12 is a massive competition when people are defending the disparity in the levels of coverage.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 31/10/2015 12:55:53    1803315

Greengrass

I'll spell Connaught the way I learned growing up. Louth wasn't in it the last time I checked.

DO you not think that equal funding in the GAA and competition where Louth had a set number of games at home would do wonders for promotion of football in Louth.

Maybe your just happy to be kings of the garrison game

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1521 - 31/10/2015 13:20:31    1803317

I think many ( not all ) people simply follow rugby so they can move up the social ladder . It is important to be seen at the RDS with a scorf . It is full of glory hunters IMO. Rugby people that I know turn their nose down at GAA. That is just my experience . Im a huge sports fan, particularly soccer where I follow the Harps however many of the rugby cohort are dismissive of you unless you are a lawyer or a doctor .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 31/10/2015 14:13:35    1803334

Tinrawley my previous post to you was edited. It concerned funding or the lack of it to Connacht from The IRFU in comparison to the other provinces. How did that affect Heineken Cup qualification amongst our provinces ? Hopefully this post will get through because that funding and how it was distributed is public knowledge.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6182 - 31/10/2015 15:09:17    1803347

TheRightStuff
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I think many ( not all ) people simply follow rugby so they can move up the social ladder . It is important to be seen at the RDS with a scorf . It is full of glory hunters IMO. Rugby people that I know turn their nose down at GAA. That is just my experience . Im a huge sports fan, particularly soccer where I follow the Harps however many of the rugby cohort are dismissive of you unless you are a lawyer or a doctor .

I'm not going to lie, I've encountered that mindset too among certain people, particularly around south Dublin. There is an element among the rugby supporters who are secretly livid that the GAA exists. They see it as a huge drain on the potential Ireland would have if we all focused on rugby. For that reason, they will never be able to stomach the GAA and what it stands for.

Thankfully there aren't too many people like that around, but they 100% do exist.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 31/10/2015 16:04:55    1803357

Trelawney wise up . Have a look at the Connacht rugby jerseys and see how Connacht is spelled . It is ironic that you slag me off about "garrison games" and yet you use the Anglicised version of Connacht . Never mind your silly, trite replies and deal with the substance of what I put in front of you .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6182 - 31/10/2015 16:20:36    1803361

Have to agree with ned there. What's even more hilarious than the social climbing of the rugby fan is when you meet lad's from my own county or places like north meath etc who gain a DORT accent just from attending games in thomond or the RDS

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 31/10/2015 18:45:01    1803378

There's people that develop a Leapordstown accent between getting of the train in Heuston and getting on the bus to town. Their phone voice becomes their new accent. I'm not a fan of the dort accent myself though if you're brought up speaking like that it's understandable. Developing a fake posh accent just cos you moved to the big shmoke is laughable and sad.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8176 - 31/10/2015 19:24:57    1803383

31/10/2015 10:55:55 tirawleybaron
THe reality is that if the GAA set up a proper competition structure with genuine competitive games that lasted 5-6 months of the year, we would be able to attract better sponsorship for all counties who really want to take it seriously.
The current structure of three months (7 matches) of league and 4-5 championship games (over 4-5 months) handicaps both Hurling and football.
Connaught were a laughing stock in rugby for a hundred years before a proper competition was devised which has allowed them to develop and their are now seriously competitive both in underage and senior rugby.
The GAA provides no competition that would allow weaker counties develop in any shape or form and whats worse is the weaker counties are happy with their lot.
We are our own enemies in this and no amount of crying about the press will change it. We will get a fair crack from the press when we give our own counties a fair competition. Will that ever happen for gaelic/hurling though? Current schedule is a joke but who will actually change it?
31/10/2015 11:47:52 Greengrass
Tinrawley those competition structures in The GAA you deride attract by far the biggest crowds for team sports in this country. No other sport comes anywhere near. The competitions most certainly could be improved but then what competition couldn't ? The national leagues are excellent. Munster hurling and most especially Ulster football are exceptional competitions and the All Irelans series in hurling and football are the top field sport competitions in the land. On that basis they deserve coverage as a public service broadcaster by remit is required to take cognisance of the interests of the people. By the way part of the reason Connacht ( not Connaught) became competitive is because The IRFU at long last provided more funding for Connacht. It is not that long ago ago that Connacht was threatened with extinction. Qualification for The Heineken Cup for the Irish provinces was a four team competition decided by means of placings in The Magniers League. They may attract the biggest crowds but that doesn't mean they are organised well. Its over a decade(half the time the sport has been professional) since Connacht were threatened with extinction. The national leagues aren't excellent. Their format/way theyre played in entirety before championship starts etc means they are totally in every way a build up to the championship...

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/11/2015 10:29:10    1803414

Rubbish Ormond . The leagues are highly competitive . Most teams still have something to play for come the last round of games . You could use the same argument in relation to the Pro12 . How many supporters of the four provinces are this morning looking at the Pro12 table to see how many points separate their team from the team in 7th place ? The Pro12 is a vehicle to qualify for Europe . Tinrawley used Connachts improvement to tout the value of good competition . The improvement is down to increased funding . Qualification for Europe is a competition that involves the four Irish provinces . That completion was/is loaded in favour of Leinster/Ulster/Munster due disparities in funding fom The IRFU . How fair is that ?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6182 - 01/11/2015 11:48:11    1803437

Sceptical 30th October
Isn't it typical that after the world cup final, domestic rugby dominates the media coverage over the weekend.
-- the irony of your comment is that you have posted it the day BEFORE the world cup final
here will be more fans at the Dublin county final than any other sporting event this weekend.
-- correct me if i am wrong but i thought the rugby world cup final ,premiership and NFL American football games would have bigger crowds

As for the Bandwagon - sure isnt there no bandwagon in GAA i mean Limerick brought 40000 fans to croke park for semi v clare in 2013 - for the first round v tipp in 2013 and 2014 there was circa 22-25000 in total. 80000 wre at clare v cork all ireland finals and repaly in 2013 - yet when they played in 2013 (munster semi) 2014 and 2015 - there was only a fraction of that -but hey there aint no bandwagon in gaa is there

The right stuff -
I think many ( not all ) people simply follow rugby so they can move up the social ladder .
Rugby people that I know turn their nose down at GAA
rugby cohort are dismissive of you unless you are a lawyer or a doctor 

Can you give examples stating the clubs and or schools involved. It aint like that here in limerick where most people follow all sports and I certainly dont come under those 3 stereotypes. Maybe just maybe people follow rugby coz they like the game. Come down watch a club game in limerick and youll see for yourself.

Separately hope you and your fellow harps fans have a good a safe andenjoyable trip down tomorrow


Sceptical
Have to agree with ned there. What's even more hilarious than the social climbing of the rugby fan is when you meet lad's from my own county or places like north meath etc who gain a DORT accent just from attending games in thomond or the RDS

If a guy from Cavan (and im sure the roads from cavan to limerick are thronged with travelling rugby fans) how on earth would they get a DORT accent going to a game in limerick - surely they would have a limerick one (limerick wan..sorry) - coz most people goin to munster game in thomond tend to have limerick accents

Sceptical
Rugby is behind football hurling and even soccer in its so called limerick heartland he number of respective clubs show that. -in the county yes hurling in king by a mile - in the city no - -but the support base would be cross sports

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 01/11/2015 14:09:12    1803457

mediaman
Still good luck to Stephen Moore. Hopefully the first former Gaelic footballer to win the RWC

Zinzan brooke and beauden barret beat him to it

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/if-i-was-irish-i-d-play-gaelic-says-all-black-zinzan-brooke-1.126450You

https://twitter.com/beaudenbarrett/status/337445036365070336

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 01/11/2015 14:12:37    1803458

@janesboro would you use bold type if quoting other peoples posts. Hard to see what is your post and what is scepticals.......
01/11/2015 11:48:11 Greengrass
Rubbish Ormond. The leagues are highly competitive. Most teams still have something to play for come the last round of games. You could use the same argument in relation to the Pro12. How many supporters of the four provinces are this morning looking at the Pro12 table to see how many points separate their team from the team in 7th place? The Pro12 is a vehicle to qualify for Europe. Tinrawley used Connachts improvement to tout the value of good competition. The improvement is down to increased funding. Qualification for Europe is a competition that involves the four Irish provinces. That completion was/is loaded in favour of Leinster/Ulster/Munster due disparities in funding fom The IRFU. How fair is that? The pro12 wasn't loaded in favour of Munster/Leinster over the welsh/Italians etc in funding. Munster/Leinster/Ulster make more as they've bigger squads/need bigger squads as they've more international players so need more cover.
I think most supporters will be checking on their team and where they are. Pro12 places determine European seeding and qualification and fans are very wary of that especially with the pools some of the provinces got this year

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/11/2015 18:13:21    1803530

Good news. This evening RTE's 6.01 News and Sport finally gave the result of a County Final. Pity they missed the other 63.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 01/11/2015 21:26:01    1803593

Bad news. Tonight (Monday) RTE 6.01 News and Sport once again reverted to type. No time last night to show even one of the 2-28 scored during the Ulster Club SFC game between Crossmaglen and Cargin but plenty of time tonight to show a second half flare up in that same game involving an allegation of biting. Until those allegations were made RTE showed not the slightest interest in showing the available footage of the game but once it became a negative story RTE suddenly found lots of time to highlight the issue. Remember RTE also had to go to some trouble to access the footage they wanted to show. This is the same RTE which completely ignored an incident in the recent RWC in which a player required 22 stitches having been struck by an opposition player. If RTE was really concerned about foul play it would highlight all such incidents not just those related to Gaelic Games. That's where the bias comes in.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 02/11/2015 21:43:42    1803884

Excellent point Mediaman and very well made. Sums up RTE's "balance" or lack thereof. Speaking g of lack of balance Ormond your last post sums up your blindness, wilful or otherwise in relation to Connacht's treatment at the hands of The IRFU. For years qualification for The Heineken Cup for Irish provinces was a straight four team competition between the four provinces in The Magniers League. The top three Irish provinces in The Magniers League qualified for The Heineken Cup. For all of that time The IRFU persisted in sustaining a huge disparity in funding between Connacht and the other three provinces thereby guaranteeing perpetual qualification for The Heineken Cup for Munster, Ulster and Leinster. There could be no justification for this as it completely violated the concept of fair competition. So much for Connacht developing because of competition. I know Connacht's funding has been increased Ormond but do they now receive funding equal to the funding of the other three provinces? Given that the four provinces are still in competition with each other should they not now receive equal funding ?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6182 - 04/11/2015 12:01:48    1804333