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Ah Seadog, sure you can't be saying that! The fractions of minutes given to our national broadcaster gives on it's newstime to a foreign game played by lads with posh accents is a matter of extreme importance. I reckon if we get in there quick Leinster House will go ahead with a referendum, to run the same day as the election, based on the opinions of 30 or 40 people posting on a forum. Seeing as we're a bit multicultural in the last while it'll be interesting to see how people from some of the 'two hundred and fifty' nation's will vote. With a low turnout the sports headlines could end up being about Polish volleyball or Nigerian hockey. You couldn't rule anything out really as the posters here definitely represent the majority decision.
And if there's one lot we hate more than the Romans it's the f***ing Judean Popular Front!! :)
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1798565 13/10/2015 19:16:53 Ned_Stormcrow Try as they might, rugby can't offer something unique that the GAA can and that's why some sports will always play second fiddle to the indigenous game. And that is a sense of nationalist expression in a peaceful/voluntarist way, which is why sumo wrestling, GAA and NFL are number one in their respective countries. Rugby can offer many things unique to it that are not apparent/available in the GAA. Respect to officials is just one of many.
I acknowledge the GAA does itself no favours with regards to the rules, I have long advocated for the AFL tackle to be introduced to provide certainty and clarity to the game and remove subjective refereeing. But that's not the context in which I was speaking. I was talking about factors which contribute to the GAA's primacy. Nobody plays a sport because people are nice to the referee.
As for respect to officials, I might be a bit cynical here, but the reason rugby refs don't draw abuse from the crowd is because 99% of the "fans" don't know the rules, just there for the occasion. I'm a Cavan man, on social media I see half the lads I was at school with at these rugby games. And I can tell you this grá for rugby is very much a fad.
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I'm very sorry for the length of this but I just read the many pages this post has accumulated and can't but laugh. What exactly do you want RTE to do? List out the results of each game every day of the week? If they start talking more about one county than the other than people in one county start to get annoyed that the other got more attention? The rugby team represent 32 counties, a GAA game represents 2. The sports bulletin lasts what, 10/11 minutes? I would much rather hear about O'Connell's injury or O'Brien's suspension than hear that Edenderry have won the Offaly senior championship or that Mohill won in Leitrim. I think people have unrealistic and quite stupid expectations of RTE. And as for the anthems nonsense, Amhran na bhFiann represents the 26 counties, Ireland's Call represents the 32 and is mainly there for the IRFU. Where I might love to see Amhrann na bhFiann being sang in Twickenham, the Millennium and Wembley I and everyone else knows that we are only permitted to sing one anthem so naturally the IRFU are going to sing the anthem that represents all of the players in the squad. I cant wait for a world that is equal to all sports, where the six one news bulletin allocates 1 minute and 17 seconds every evening to every sport played on our wonderful little island. God forbid, if Ireland some how manage to win the world cup, the rugby coverage may have to eat into the time offered for canoeing on the 31st of October what ever will we do.
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Ned - come to limerick the fans do abuse the ref and do know the rules and the rugby here is more than a fad we've been at it for a while
Come to watch a game in young munster - every time an opposition player goes to ground with ball in hand all you hear is the crowd en masse shouting "release release release" tis like being on the set of monty pythons life of brian
reason there is respect for the ref is coz the rugby refs take no nonsense -if you talk back BOOM its 10 yards straight away
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 13/10/2015 21:49:28
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Ned_Stormcrow Try as they might, rugby can't offer something unique that the GAA can and that's why some sports will always play second fiddle to the indigenous game. And that is a sense of nationalist expression in a peaceful/voluntarist way, which is why sumo wrestling, GAA and NFL are number one in their respective countries. ormondbannerman Rugby can offer many things unique to it that are not apparent/available in the GAA. Respect to officials is just one of many. 13/10/2015 21:39:15 Ned_Stormcrow I acknowledge the GAA does itself no favours with regards to the rules, I have long advocated for the AFL tackle to be introduced to provide certainty and clarity to the game and remove subjective refereeing. But that's not the context in which I was speaking. I was talking about factors which contribute to the GAA's primacy. Nobody plays a sport because people are nice to the referee. As for respect to officials, I might be a bit cynical here, but the reason rugby refs don't draw abuse from the crowd is because 99% of the "fans" don't know the rules, just there for the occasion. I'm a Cavan man, on social media I see half the lads I was at school with at these rugby games. And I can tell you this grá for rugby is very much a fad. Again considering my involvement in rugby the evidence that it is a only a fad is non-existent based on playing numbers, support of pro game. Respect to officals/teams is very much a reason why people can get involved in sport/will want to continue their involvement in a sport. You are completely wrong to say match officals don't get abuse as the crowd don't know the laws. Its more the tradition of keeping much quieter than those watching/playing other sports. 13/10/2015 21:39:31 LakemenAbu I'm very sorry for the length of this but I just read the many pages this post has accumulated and can't but laugh. What exactly do you want RTE to do? List out the results of each game every day of the week? If they start talking more about one county than the other than people in one county start to get annoyed that the other got more attention? The rugby team represent 32 counties, a GAA game represents 2. The sports bulletin lasts what, 10/11 minutes? I would much rather hear about O'Connell's injury or O'Brien's suspension than hear that Edenderry have won the Offaly senior championship or that Mohill won in Leitrim. I think people have unrealistic and quite stupid expectations of RTE. very fair points 13/10/2015 21:39:31 LakemenAbu And as for the anthems nonsense, Amhran na bhFiann represents the 26 counties, Ireland's Call represents the 32 and is mainly there for the IRFU. Where I might love to see Amhrann na bhFiann being sang in Twickenham, the Millennium and Wembley I and everyone else knows that we are only permitted to sing one anthem so naturally the IRFU are going to sing the anthem that represents all of the players in the squad. I cant wait for a world that is equal to all sports, where the six one news bulletin allocates 1 minute and 17 seconds every evening to every sport played on our wonderful little island. God forbid, if Ireland some how manage to win the world cup, the rugby coverage may have to eat into the time offered for canoeing on the 31st of October what ever will we do. again fair point. excellent post....
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/10/2015 21:54:56
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Ned you will have to admit there is significant cultural changes ongoing in the country and peoples cultural awareness is broadening and that includes sport. There is wider much wider opportunities being made available to people.
I won't deny it Mr Ormond. Ask yourself, are the people of Ireland driving this change? Or is it being forced upon them? In my opinion this is not an awakening of a volksgeist or anything of the sort, this is a concerted, intense effort on behalf of a media/government with a far left agenda which is pushing it's views on a population and forcing compliance through political correctness.
But anyway, this is way of topic, it never dawned on me to link my social science to sport.
Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 13/10/2015 21:56:40
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Ned you will have to admit there is significant cultural changes ongoing in the country and peoples cultural awareness is broadening and that includes sport. There is wider much wider opportunities being made available to people. 13/10/2015 21:56:40 Ned_Stormcrow I won't deny it Ormond. Ask yourself, are the people of Ireland driving this change? Or is it being forced upon them? In my opinion this is not an awakening of a volksgeist or anything of the sort, this is a concerted, intense effort on behalf of a media/government with a far left agenda which is pushing it's views on a population and forcing compliance through political correctness.
But anyway, this is way of topic, it never dawned on me to link my social science to sport. I think the people are driving this change. Rugby being sport of so called middle class is far from the case and certainly isn't all over the country and past 15-20 years the sport has changed dramatically and as country got richer/technology improved/people had more opportunities to expand their views/experiences rugby popularity jumped in a big way.... There is no concerted effort in the media to push rugby or plenty of other issues. There is no concerted left wing agenda at play
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That's right Ormo, the reason interpro rugby game attendances have gone from the 10's of people in the early 1990s to the 1000's of people now is because the plebs have become enlightened!
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In rugby, when guys throw a punch off the ball, they stay banned.
TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 14/10/2015 09:46:21
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this is a concerted, intense effort on behalf of a media/government with a far left agenda which is pushing it's views on a population and forcing compliance through political correctness.
FG & the Indo, far left agenda? Can I have some of what you're smoking Ned?
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 14/10/2015 10:02:26
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14/10/2015 09:29:29 Soma That's right Ormo, the reason interpro rugby game attendances have gone from the 10's of people in the early 1990s to the 1000's of people now is because the plebs have become enlightened! Quit with the name calling Interpros played 3 games a year until 95/96 bar the odd time when there was touring teams so of course attendances were small and the club game and then internationals were biggest by far
Soma when will you have the decency to call me Ormond? Not troll and deliberately call me by the wrong name
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/10/2015 10:08:51
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Re Turkey plucker This is not a fact as you have stated. For starters the Leinster Football Final was broadcast on RTÉ not Sky, and of course it was on the 6 News that night, 16.48 in http://www.rte.ie/news/player/six-one-news-web/2015/0712/#page=8 I think maybe you should check your sources before quoting them as FACT
Perhaps you might do a little research before being so eager to jump to conclusions. It was clear I was referring to matches NOT covered by RTE Yet you choose a Leinster Football Final which was. What was the purpose of that? Let me refresh your memory. Here are the facts or (FACTS if you prefer)
Leinster Final Dublin v Meath July 14th Attendance 54,485 Result Dublin (2-15) Meath (0-14)
The topics covered on 6 o'clock sports news in the preceding week (in the order they were broadcast) were as follows. Mon Jul 8th Hurling; Rugby (2 items) Boxing and Golf Tues Jul 9th Cricket; Cycling (Tour de France); Rugby (Australian); Soccer; Snooker Wed Jul 10th Rugby; Soccer; Cycling; Cricket; Thurs Jul 11th Soccer; Cricket; Swimming; Fri Jul 12th Cycling; Golf Horse Racing; Soccer; Hurling; Swimming. Sat Jul 13th Racing; Hurling and football; (Mainly qualifier match results) But no mention of Dublin v Meath Leinster Final.
Strange that a so called sports programme chose to ignore the most important match that weekend a match that drew an attendance of 54,000 (the max attendance at the Aviva). It is clearly a pathetic small minded attempt to starve that GAA game of the oxygen of any pre match publicity. Back again to my point it would be the equivalent of RTE giving no pre match publicity to the France Ireland rugby match. Would you be happy with that as a rugby fan? If not why should GAA followers be treated any differently
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No mention on yesterday's RTE 6.01 News and Sport of the retirement of one the country's best known footballers Meath's Kevin Reilly (Meath and Navan O'Mahony's). Remember his goal from the half way line against Wicklow. Obviously not important enough for RTE.
mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 14/10/2015 12:51:08
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Ormo Interpros played 3 games a year until 95/96 bar the odd time when there was touring teams so of course attendances were small and the club game and then internationals were biggest by far. They also used to play the Exiles each year back then but I wouldn't expect you to know stuff like that. So if the reason for interpro attendances being small then was because they only had 4 fixed games each season, and the club game and internationals were much bigger, why are you blathering on about improvements in technology and people expanding their views as reasons why rugby now gets so much extra attention? To me it seems like you are suggesting that rugby is growing because people are now more sophisticated?
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 14/10/2015 13:01:48
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The irony in the statement suggesting that Rugby is only played by 12 countries goes beyond belief. Surely our learned colleague appreciates the fact that the hurling structure is very similar to that of the rugby scene albeit on a smaller scale. Some shocking comments on this thread. Most probably from bar stool fans who have never lifted a sliotar or football, never mind a rugby ball. We can let ourselves down sometimes. Rather than get behind a team representing our country we seize a chance to look at irrelevant things such as " the national broadcaster and their televised sports schedule". Come on lads...cheer up!!
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Lads there's bandwagon sheepsters at most sports that suddenly seem popular and 'cool'. Apparently it's still cool to say cool, provided you include 'man' at the end of at least one sentence. "Another great win for them Cats.......man'!
Ah there's often a high percentage of posh accents amongst the rugby bandwagon sheepsters they're harder to tolerate than the country 'we're in Croke Park this weekend sure it'll be cool to go and support the lads bandwagon sheepsters. They won't wear a jersey but will try a reddish skinny jeans with a green t-shirt, to match their immaculate short hair, lumberjack-style overbeardedness and ridiculous spectacles.Baaa Baaa Baaa. Man!
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8172 - 14/10/2015 17:40:17
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I may not be learned but when it comes to bash ball perhaps I am more learned than you. Outside of the six nations, four teams of the rugby championship, Japan and Fiji, the numbers of adult men playing rugby is miniscule. Look at Romania for example where there are only 1000 players. That is on par with the number of football players in Longford or soccer players in the Faroe Islands and Malta. The comment about ireland qualifing for the last 8 been of no consequence therefore Has Merit. As for hurling. That happens to be one of our national sports. It makes no pretense at been a worldwide sport and is a sport far superior to rugby no matter how much you attempt to rredicule it.
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1798602 Ned - come to limerick the fans do abuse the ref and do know the rules and the rugby here is more than a fad we've been at it for a while
Come to watch a game in young munster - every time an opposition player goes to ground with ball in hand all you hear is the crowd en masse shouting "release release release" tis like being on the set of monty pythons life of brian
reason there is respect for the ref is coz the rugby refs take no nonsense -if you talk back BOOM its 10 yards straight away
Oh I don't doubt for a second that there is extraordinary passion among the Limerick people for rugby. But when I used the term fad I was referring to the people I know who are now checking in on social media at rugby games when the reality is they had zero exposure to rugby when they were growing up. These people wouldn't have a clue of the rules, I can guarantee you that.
But look, it doesn't bother me if people want to jump on the bandwagon. And it is a bandwagon. Most of the lads I grew up with play GAA, still play GAA, and their children will play GAA. But they'll all be scrambling to get over to the UK for a match, and fair play to them.
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Ormond and others. Please stop with the respect to refs bull. This comes from a public schoolboy / old days background, and exists only in 'British Rugby'.
Come to places like France and see for yourself how different things are outside British Rugby!!
Why do I call it British rugby?? Living in rugby country in France they refer to Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales as 'Rugby Britannique'
Come here and even a Wicklow GAA ref would think life reffing a even a hurling match is a walk in the park!!!
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14/10/2015 09:46:21 TheMaster In rugby, when guys throw a punch off the ball, they stay banned. generally they do but people don't get away with foul play after 3/4 appeals like in GAA 14/10/2015 12:00:08 mod It is clearly a pathetic small minded attempt to starve that GAA game of the oxygen of any pre match publicity. Back again to my point it would be the equivalent of RTE giving no pre match publicity to the France Ireland rugby match. Would you be happy with that as a rugby fan? If not why should GAA followers be treated any differently There is no attempt to starve the GAA of anything. Only delusional people think that. If you have concrete proof that RTE are acting like that why don't you do something about this. Why don't you or mediaman write articles under ye're own names about the alleged poor work by RTE and call them out.
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