brendtheredhand
County: Tyrone
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1773543 murof
County: Kildare
Posts: 461

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The most important thing to come out of this saga would be for the referee next sunday to ruthlessly deal with any diving, simulation, sledging or other shameful antics that are to prevalent in the modern game. If he were to dish out plenty of yellow and black cards early on we might be left with enough players on the pitch who actually want to play the game the way the public would like it to be played.
Can I see that happening? Sadly no and another turgid game devoid of all that is so good about our game is more likely.
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Just next Sunday then yeah?

No starting next sunday seeing as that is the next game in the AI championship. Hope that clears that up for you.

murof (Kildare) - Posts: 480 - 20/08/2015 21:28:48    1773571

brendtheredhand
Right so I am to go through this mindnumbingly tedious thread just to satisfy your Northern jeasuitical definition of defending McCann? I know a lot of Northern people see things very black and white - though they are masters of the greystrokes !!! I just happened to pick on this one .......
redbomb
"Yawn. bored with this thread now the ban was over turned McCann got away scot free like Sheils and the rest because as the rules state it was a yellow card offence,"

You want more "brendtheredhand" well turn a light on and go through this thread yourself.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 20/08/2015 21:38:47    1773574

arock
County: Dublin
Posts: 2711

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Media spark a charge, GAA reacts as GAA always reacts given the guys now in control. Guy gets off after media berates GAA and it goes on and on. The sad fact is the GAA is incapable of cleaning the game up oir of saving the game it will just die a slow sad death.
There simply is no place in any sport for what McCann did, whether he was charged on a technicality or let off on one is irrelevant, the sad fact is only in the GAA would you get people defending what he did.
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Fair enough, please show me where people have defended Tiernans actions, just one will do for now?
20/08/2015 20:49:55

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Actually there is at least one above who claimed that he was 'provoked'. Another stated that McCann had 'a hand raised to him'. In fact I think even Harte came out with something similar. What punishment do you think he should have received, bearing in mind that he was charged with bringing the game into disrepute?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 20/08/2015 21:48:17    1773585

Ditect Quotes from Today's Irish Times about all this week's appeal proceedings which included rescinding a red card for striking by a Mayo player...

"The highest-profile case, Tyrone footballer Tiernan McCann's contesting of a charge that he discredited the association...attracted the most public interest both because his dive...was seen by so many and led to the sending-off of Monaghan's Darren Hughes and because Tyrone are contesting this weekend's All-Ireland semi-final against champions Kerry."

"The GAA had hoped to build a case under Rule 7.2 (e) for 'Misconduct considered to have discredited the association,' as the punishment for feigning injury is covered in the playing rules and attracts only a yellow card."

"Whereas there was acknowledgement that this charge mightn't stick, it was felt that to proceed with it would focus attention on the issue."

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 21/08/2015 08:10:53    1773598

What I can't get my head around is this fact:
Tyrone have won 3 All Irelands (3)
Kerry have won 37 All Irelands, Dublin 24 and Mayo 3!
Yet Tyrone are being talked about as if they were the dominant force in GAA. I mean Kerry have won more titles then all the other 3 semi finalists put together!
And are on course for number 38. I mean 3 All Irelands for Tyrone, if they are "win at all cost" they certainly are not very good at it.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2614 - 21/08/2015 08:18:39    1773602

I believe what McCann did was wrong, but let's be realistic he's not the first or will he be the last to do it. In 2008 a Laois player got Dan Gordon sent off by pretending Dan had headbutted him, Dan's red card was overturned, in Derry this year McGovern was sent off because a Derry player dived, McGovern did not get his card overturned. I mention these 2 examples because I'm a Down supporter. I watched last week's hurling semi final and have not heard too much slating of the Galway player who rugby tackled a Tipp player to the ground which some people might say cost Tipp the game. The game is not dying a slow death all you have to do is look at the crowds turning up to matches at County and club level. I do think that at least 80% of Northern supporters believe that Northern teams getter a harder time from Southern media and GAA than the rest of the country, which I hope will be addressed. But love them or hate them you have to admire Tyrone for getting to another AI semi final not many of us would have thought it at the start of the Championship. Maybe we should all try and be a bit more positive about our game.

downfan15 (Down) - Posts: 7 - 21/08/2015 08:18:41    1773603

BIG SACKS
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1621

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Why is everyone blaming McCann for getting Hughes sent off?
Hughes was in the process of being sent off for another incident when McCann went down.
Hughes was already on his way so McCanns dive was irrelevant.
Why was Hughes ruffling McCanns hair anyway? Is this normal or accepted behavior?

That took all of one minute to find.

Also Micky Harte and Tyrone board should have wholeheartedly condemned the action and state they will deal with McCann...if nothing else to satisfy so many who believe there is a problem. Whether he went and did or not would be his business, it would have got a lot of heat off their back. Instead Micky gave a weak as water statement and rationalized the move saying he is young (he aint that young and age should have nothing to do with that) and that Hughes was putting his hands on him et cetera. So what if he did? McCann could have at least acted like a man instead of a wimp of a gasun.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 21/08/2015 08:29:14    1773608

tyroneed
County: Tyrone
Posts: 556

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Ditect Quotes from Today's Irish Times about all this week's appeal proceedings which included rescinding a red card for striking by a Mayo player...

"The highest-profile case, Tyrone footballer Tiernan McCann's contesting of a charge that he discredited the association...attracted the most public interest both because his dive...was seen by so many and led to the sending-off of Monaghan's Darren Hughes and because Tyrone are contesting this weekend's All-Ireland semi-final against champions Kerry."

"The GAA had hoped to build a case under Rule 7.2 (e) for 'Misconduct considered to have discredited the association,' as the punishment for feigning injury is covered in the playing rules and attracts only a yellow card."

"Whereas there was acknowledgement that this charge mightn't stick, it was felt that to proceed with it would focus attention on the issue."

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That's all true. Minimum punishment under that rule is 8 weeks so they were going light on him. Max is a lifetime ban. The problem for them is definition. McCann was not just feigning injury, he was shamefully diving to have a player sent off. That is a disrepute offence in fairness. I would have sided with the yellow card view first but then read the more serious disrepute rule and my view is that they rightfully charged him under this. What else could you call it? McCalliskey committed the other offence and again went unpunished. But you can clearly see the difference between the two. Expect changes to the rules here.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 21/08/2015 08:38:25    1773609

Joxer
County: Dublin
Posts: 2384

Direct Quotes from Today's Irish Times...

"Whereas there was acknowledgement that this charge mightn't stick, it was felt that to proceed with it would focus attention on the issue."
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I haven't seen the quote in the paper and am only going on what you've posted here but, if that's true, it is scandalous, and the CCCC should be disbanded immediately. Imposing an 8 week ban that they knew wasn't fair or just, simply to bring attention to the issue? Seriously?? On the eve of an AI semi-final? Hanging an amateur member of their own organisation out to dry, simply to raise awareness. A disgraceful abuse of power and waste of everyone's time and, if true, should be the end of the CCCC.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 21/08/2015 08:51:47    1773612

Joxer and friends....

You wouldnt let this get personal would you?
I hope you have the same high standards for yourself.

"There but for the grace of god go I"

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 21/08/2015 09:12:11    1773616

Joxer and friends....

You wouldnt let this get personal would you?
I hope you have the same high standards for yourself.

"There but for the grace of god go I"

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We don't have any chips on our shoulders Big Sacks. I certainly do have high standards if you back on threads and incidents involving my own county. I'm never in denial when it comes to our sins.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 21/08/2015 09:17:50    1773622

Joxer...
Its the holier than thou attitude that is the problem.

You guys sound like members of a right wing "hang em and flog em" political party.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 21/08/2015 10:40:46    1773669

Find_the_space

Dublin - 2,108,947
Kerry - 689,516
Mayo - 613,225
Tyrone 383,763
You get more than all of them put together and then some...Its page 143

I hate to say it but you my fried are a fool. Take those figures and divide by population of each county.
Dublin 1.65 euro
Kerry 4.75 euro
Mayo 4.69 euro
Tyrone 2.15 euro

You actually just took the figures at face value without any thought!!!!!

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 21/08/2015 10:40:58    1773670

Where were the cavalry while this storm in a teacup was raging?

I refer to those who have taken on themselves the responsibility of player welfare - the GPA.

No doubt they will make a weighty pronouncement as soon as everything dies down.
LEADERS OF THE REARGUARD !!!

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 21/08/2015 10:56:38    1773688

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3321

why is liston and horan's opinion more valid than mine .. or yours or any other person in here who put on a jersey and played the game.
In your opinion is the intercounty player more valid that the junior b player. If so why ?? Both the junior b player and liston can watch the same game and read the press. So both have the ability to form a conclusion. Does one persons higher skill set give him a better understanding of whats wrong with the game.

I didnt make it in intercounty but have played and followed the gaa since i was 6. I think iv earned the ability to make an informed opinion. I must state for the record iv nothing personal against tyrone as succh i just see them as another team in the championship. But i do believe in the ethics honor and sportsmanship of the game.

I cant condone what mc gann did purely as its the worst dive iv seen in the game in my 33 years watching it .. And what i cant understand and this is just on a personal level. I cant see why tyrone are making things purely technical.. I.e its a yellow card offence etc etc .. Forget that forget the al series forget the semi final in two months this will all be over we will be gearing up for club series and getting ready for next years championship .. But we the gaa had a chance one chance one shot to make a stand to eradicate this kind of stuff out of our game .. to make every player in every county think long and hard about diving.. We could have made a positive impact in our sport .. Iv read it compared to sheilds .. to the galway full back dragging callanan to the ground but we should have let the incident stand on its own two feet and used it as an oppourtunity to eradicate diving from our sport. Personal attacks on me are futile .. Iv been called a liar told catch my self on etc etc but the cold hard fact is what Mc Gann did was a disgrace ( i think we can all agree on that) and tyrone had the oppourtunity to do whats right for the gaa community as a whole and accept the punishment.. Ok it might have cost them the semi final.. But rational thought would indicated they will loose it anyway so they could have done the right thing

Instead over the last 500 posts they have brought all sorts of stuff to play. Were back to the struggles.. Its an north v south agenda.. Its the media .. Its absolutely everyone elses fault. But they couldnt think out side the box they couldnt look at whats right for the game.

So to tell me catch my self on i think is ridiculous .. If you cant see the incident for what it was and what could be done with it its not me that needs to catch my self on.. Look not at what the media have said but look at your own county .. Look at Hartes comments saying if hughes hadnt raised his hand there would have been no incident etc ..

Can you honestly look me in the eye and say you agree with that.. That you dont think its a disgrace that mc gann intentionally dived to get a fellow player sent off. Imagine horans reaction if mc gann did it to mayo under his tenure !!! what would he say then

Regarding sheilds and the two game suspension.. I know it cant happen .. Its what i would like to happen its what i feel should happen and mc gann's dive was significantly worse than sheilds.. But i am entitles to say it suggest it maybe sheilds will read this maybe he will be embarrassed and maybe he will realise that that dive was a turning point in the game..In that incident donaghy hit 2 players and not a single cork man has said something about it cause reality is if i was on the field id have done the same. Iv never seeing throwing a few digs as a sending off its a mans game . But diving id bring in lenghty bans in a second its awful its cowardly and most of all its shows a complete lack of respect to the player that has trained as hard sacrificed as much

ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 21/08/2015 10:58:52    1773691

ritchie
County: Cork
Posts: 279

You really unloaded there. I tend to agree. Whatever about fans and other people on the outside looking in....The rationalizing by Micky Harte was the more perplexing part.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 21/08/2015 11:45:00    1773727

Find_the_space

Dublin - 2,108,947
Kerry - 689,516
Mayo - 613,225
Tyrone 383,763
You get more than all of them put together and then some...Its page 143

I hate to say it but you my fried are a fool. Take those figures and divide by population of each county.
Dublin 1.65 euro
Kerry 4.75 euro
Mayo 4.69 euro
Tyrone 2.15 euro

You actually just took the figures at face value without any thought!!!!!

Not necessarily, assuming that not every man, woman and child in Dublin participate in GAA (don't know why I'd assume that) but anyway if you go on to look at page 186 you will see the number of teams (not clubs) that are registered.

Dublin - 2,108,947/1800 - £1171.64 average per team
Tyrone - 383,763/557 - 688.93 average per team

Took my own county as an example. Dublin yes do have a bigger population and are quite successful at both codes of the GAA if divided equally between each club Dublin still get nearly double than the average Tyrone club.

Cork's figures are outstanding 589,439 between 2,467 teams comes to 238.93 which is about 5 times less than Dublin and 3 times less than Tyrone.

Lets have a wee look at the oakleaf sure while at it here Doire. 398,953/335 - £1190.91 per team. Your actually higher than Dublin per team

Find_the_space (Tyrone) - Posts: 313 - 21/08/2015 12:55:35    1773782

Anyone got a tampon for richie?

Thats the amazing thing about threads people can give their open opinion about situations and 1 thing that really bugs be in your post his name is Tiernan MCCANN. C not G.

With pundits they are all personalities and athletes that have played at the highest level, therefore are respected in the game and once people see them producing an opinion on whatever the topic may be people sit up and read/listen to their view whereas we are people that give our opinion, asked or not.

I thought you were going to break into an eminem song the "had a chance one chance one shot"

What is right for the GAA?
Diving out of the game - Yes
Consistent refereeing and rules applied? - Yes
Reconstruction of the AI format - Maybe, who knows

Find_the_space (Tyrone) - Posts: 313 - 21/08/2015 13:10:15    1773791

Whereas there was acknowledgement that this charge mightn't stick, it was felt that to proceed with it would focus attention on the issue."

Thomas Clarke I posted that and its a direct quote from Irish Times today.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 21/08/2015 13:26:12    1773804

arock needs his a sleep

Ritchie
"A worse dive"!! oh dear

IsMise (Tyrone) - Posts: 119 - 21/08/2015 13:28:50    1773806