due process was fpllowed and wiser council prevailed.......the ban could not be sustained under current rules.....surprised at how many posters struggled with this

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1736 - 20/08/2015 12:33:49    1773129

agree JayP

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 20/08/2015 12:35:44    1773130

McCann was always gonna get off. If Diarmuid Connolly had done it there would have been uproar if we won an appeal. GAA favouring the Dubs etc.

Some things to note:

-The GAA rulebook is a farce
-How does it take two weeks to have a hearing?
-Tiernan McCann didnt even get a yellow card for DIVING.
-McCann looks very foolish
--The defence of McCann and Tyrones general attitude towards discipline leaves a lot to be desired.
-The GAA need to reform discipline procedures.....the current system is shocking. Its backwards guys just appeal and get off all the time.

totally wrong if it was dermot connolly there would have been no 8 week ban as the dublin media wouldnt have been ringing croke park looking for a ban. Tyrone have not defended what McCann did we have defended the fact that the ban was a farce.

rahillyman (Tyrone) - Posts: 314 - 20/08/2015 12:54:02    1773151

Beacaire gorm, I don't know what sport youve been watching in the last few years, but when Kerry, mayo, and even ourselves really want/need to win (not when theyre hammering the shaite out of leitrim/meath/Waterford) theyre as bad or worse than anyone with diving and timewasting (although dublin don't really stoop that low, compared to kerry/mayo). Maybe your talking about the Christy ring cup? Now theres an honest competition

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 20/08/2015 12:58:13    1773158

JayP
Some things to note:
--The defence of McCann and Tyrones general attitude towards discipline leaves a lot to be desired.
-The GAA need to reform discipline procedures.....the current system is shocking. Its backwards guys just appeal and get off all the time.

you made some good points JayP but then you just kept typing!
Defence of McCann... no-one from Tyrone on here yet or I have spoken to have defended his actions. In-fact it has been repeatedly said by Tyrone posters that it was wrong. I hate all forms of simulation but it has been going on for years... it used to be described as clever play or winning a cute free - but now everyone is sick of seeing it every week its being labelling cynical & Tyrone are the guys that seem to have just invented it. Wise up. The last ten minutes against M.Han were so ugly that it was a wake up call that change needs to come. But it has been going on across the county all summer.

There is no rule to implement a ban for simulation. The ban was never going to stick & an appeal was always on the cards.
The CCCC give an 8 week ban knowing this was going to be over-turned - IMO it was done to give more bad publicity to Tyrone for over-turning the ban.
To be honest any poster on here saying that a ban should have remained don't know the rules & are discrediting their own posts.

Any for the final time Cynical play is wrong, its out of hand, introduce new ruling to deal with it - introduce suspensions if necessary & its not being served up by one county. next year the game will evolve again with rule changes & should be a better spectacle.
That's not a defence - it is however the reality of what is happening.

tyronesaints (Tyrone) - Posts: 14 - 20/08/2015 13:11:09    1773172

JayP
County: Dublin
Posts: 1203

1773124 McCann was always gonna get off. If Diarmuid Connolly had done it there would have been uproar if we won an appeal. GAA favouring the Dubs etc.

Some things to note:

-The GAA rulebook is a farce
-How does it take two weeks to have a hearing?
-Tiernan McCann didnt even get a yellow card for DIVING.
-McCann looks very foolish
--The defence of McCann and Tyrones general attitude towards discipline leaves a lot to be desired.
-The GAA need to reform discipline procedures.....the current system is shocking. Its backwards guys just appeal and get off all the time.

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Very well said

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 20/08/2015 13:50:12    1773221

McCann was wrong, very much so. But until the rules around diving change then the correct action has been taken by the CCCC.
The last couple of years we have had the black card and the Nash Rule from the GAA big wig's reaction to the media scrutiny.
This year hopefully we have the McCann rule, a red card for diving and a ban. Or if missed by an official a retrospective ban. With the ban decided upon by a panel of ex inter county players, ban must be a fixed term for all rule breakers i.e 2 champo matches. There is no levels of play acting/diving therefore should be no different levels of bans. These bans must be enforced and cannot be appealed.
It is cheating plain and simple, it needs to be cut out, this in my opinion is the best way.

But as for McCann, he has gotten away with it because the rules are flawed as much as his actions.
Change the rule and it will change behaviour.

Because of the scrutiny in the media Tyrone have been getting the last couple of weeks I can't imagine there will be too much play acting on Sunday. But that doesn't mean it isn't in the back of the ref's mind, even subconsciously.

GAAHattrick (Dublin) - Posts: 278 - 20/08/2015 14:10:14    1773237

To all the people who are raving here about McCann...
What exactly do you want Tyrone to do?

Everyone in Tyrone has condemned this dive and all other dives.
Likewise they want to see fair play and the only way to have that is to introduce rules to counteract gamesmanship and implement them.
This is the price to be paid for increased professionalism.

You guys seem to think that a Tyrone player diving is worse than any other crime known to man... thats the nub of the matter.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 20/08/2015 14:22:27    1773249

flack
County: Dublin
Posts: 738

1773158 Beacaire gorm, I don't know what sport youve been watching in the last few years, but when Kerry, mayo, and even ourselves really want/need to win (not when theyre hammering the shaite out of leitrim/meath/Waterford) theyre as bad or worse than anyone with diving and timewasting (although dublin don't really stoop that low, compared to kerry/mayo). Maybe your talking about the Christy ring cup? Now theres an honest competition

Haha well played!

I do agree that this Dublin team would be the most sporting of the top teams, but no team are the angels their fans believe them to be.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12351 - 20/08/2015 14:28:52    1773254

BIG SACKS

To all the people who are raving here about McCann...
What exactly do you want Tyrone to do?

Nothing really, what can Tyrone do, they appealed as I would have expected most if not all other counties to do including my own, it's pretty standard stuff.

Everyone in Tyrone has condemned this dive and all other dives.
Likewise they want to see fair play and the only way to have that is to introduce rules to counteract gamesmanship and implement them.
This is the price to be paid for increased professionalism.

Not so sure about that, I think some of the 'condemnation' was trivial and insincere and there seemed to be far more defending of McCann and blaming of the media than condemnation of pathetic diving. But I agree, there must now be rules introduced to ban players for such ridiculous carry on, the Gaa need to move on this quickly.

You guys seem to think that a Tyrone player diving is worse than any other crime known to man... thats the nub of the matter.

Absolute cringworthy rubbish, stop playing the victims here, it's embarrassing at this stage.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 20/08/2015 14:37:07    1773263

Victims... no need to play.
Its quite real.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 20/08/2015 14:59:32    1773288

Htaem
County: Meath
Posts: 6660

Your post was perfect.. Tyrone are not now nor have they ever been the victims

They create most of the stuff that gets them into hot water..
Tyrone supporters didnt come out and say that dive which would win gold in swim meets should have been completely condemed and said straight out that it has no place in our game.

Yes even if the sunday game hadnt mentioned it the GAA would have had to address it due to the complete public out cry between the game and when the sunday game aired..No one condoned his actions and the pundits couldnt ignore the social media reaction.. Thus tyrone created their own down fall in the exact same fashion that Cavanaghs outlandish rugby tackle in 2015 caused a public outcry and led to the establishment of the black book. Lets face is the gaa survived from 1884 to 2013 with out one but had to bring it in due to a tackle from a tyrone player.

Why do we have to constantly hear tyrone go on about how they are harshly treated ... Shut up play the game hard but fair or as fair as every other team in the country.. Save us the conspiracy theories ..

Lets do a test ... Tyrone play one full game with no fighting / sledging/ diving/ rugby tackling
Lets see if there is an agenda then. Lets see will the oundits still have something to say..
its only 7 years ago these pundits were singing your praises.. But own up be men and admit that since your powers started to wain antics have come to the fore..

And as i already stated the reality is all of this only happened cause tyrone didnt back them selves to see out the last 15 mins .. And they turned the game into a farce and mc gann is suffering the benefit of that farce.. Him playing on sunday is largely irrelevant as i fancy kerry to win by 5/6 anyway no matter what team tyrone puts out. But mc gann will never be respected by his peers again shur how could they when he intentionally got someone sent off.

By the way he couldnt be carded for the dive as he had already fooled the ref into believing he was struck thus the reason hughes saw red !!!
Iv seen that mentioned a few times.. And hell yeah the ban should have stood .. not to hurt mc gann or to hurt tyrone but for the betterment of the Gaa as a whole .. Now every dive will know they can appeal

ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 20/08/2015 15:17:30    1773300

BIG SACKS

Victims... no need to play.
Its quite real.

Illusions often seem real, sadly they're not.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 20/08/2015 16:10:46    1773346

ritchie

Excellent post well said.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 20/08/2015 16:13:24    1773347

Tyrone very clearly are being victimised.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12351 - 20/08/2015 16:21:30    1773357

ritchie
County: Cork
Posts: 275


Lets do a test ... Tyrone play one full game with no fighting / sledging/ diving/ rugby tackling


Maybe Cork might do it as well

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12351 - 20/08/2015 16:24:58    1773360

Ritchie cork. You are a liar. I think I was the first person on the forum to condemn Tiernan Mc Canns play acting. Brendtheredhand was soon after. I hope you were equally appalled at Michael Shields for a similar stunt a short while ago? Or are you more offended at Mc Cann cos he's from "the north"? Yer self or anybody else who agrees with you need not bother yer selves answering cos the answer is clear by your failure to start a thread on Shields.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 20/08/2015 16:25:23    1773363

Glad to hear the suspension was overturned, you cant have one rule for McCann and others getting away with it.

Hopefully the GAA will make it clear from the start of next year that any player caught diving will receive some sort of sanction and not single out one player from the rest. Very badly handled by the GAA again but we are used to this sort of carry on by now.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 20/08/2015 16:28:17    1773365

There you have it Tyrone and tyrone supporters

A Cork man and a meath man showing mutual admiration for each other
Thats what this game is about.
go back 29 years ago and a hatred not seen since developed between cork and meath. It was lethal it was fierce to the point that they would stand in the same place and when they both showed up in the same location for a team holiday one year not a word was shared between them.
On the pitch it was hatchet stuff the joke being Meath always got their retaliation in first. That was the game rough as bejasus no quarter asked or given but both teams won and lost like men and both teams left everything on the field.

Those that think the game is in good stead go back and look at those games. Legends everyone of them but while the killed eachother on the field the banter between supporters in the pubs was awesome... Thats the gaa i grew up with thats what i fell in love with and thats what i miss now

I saw it last sunday in the hurling
i didnt saturday week ago in the football

ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 20/08/2015 16:34:20    1773372

Breffni39

Tyrone very clearly are being victimised.

Nah it's just nonsense Breff, if anybody is being victimized it's all of us posters here having to listen to Tyrone posters claiming they're being victimized, we're the real victims here!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 20/08/2015 16:36:59    1773374