No rules have been changed, he's been charged with bringing the game into disrepute which he's clearly guilty of. The rule was in place at the beginning of the season, he made the choice to go down like a bag of spuds, time for him now to face and accept the consequences

elvistheking (Galway) - Posts: 99 - 19/08/2015 17:09:33    1772710

Why do people continue to go on as if nothing would have been made of this incident if it wasn't for the RTE boys with a hatred of Tyrone? The game was shown live on Sky on the Saturday, as soon as the incident happened there were posters on here describing it as embarrassing and a disgrace, by the Sunday morning there were videos made mocking McCann and most of the GAA world were talking about it, and then on the Sunday night RTE discussed the incidents in what many thought was a fair manner, criticising both teams for dragging the game into the gutter. Even Pete McGrath, a proud Ulster gael, raised no objection to what was being said. To suggest that this only became an issue because of the big bad boys in RTE is nonsense, but then again people still make out that the black card rule was only brought in because of Sean Cavanagh.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 19/08/2015 17:11:00    1772713

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1772713 Why do people continue to go on as if nothing would have been made of this incident if it wasn't for the RTE boys with a hatred of Tyrone? The game was shown live on Sky on the Saturday, as soon as the incident happened there were posters on here describing it as embarrassing and a disgrace, by the Sunday morning there were videos made mocking McCann and most of the GAA world were talking about it, and then on the Sunday night RTE discussed the incidents in what many thought was a fair manner, criticising both teams for dragging the game into the gutter. Even Pete McGrath, a proud Ulster gael, raised no objection to what was being said. To suggest that this only became an issue because of the big bad boys in RTE is nonsense, but then again people still make out that the black card rule was only brought in because of Sean Cavanagh.
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Well said.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 19/08/2015 17:16:59    1772719

DoireCityFC
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"Totally agree with you. People need to forget about the yellow card though. That's for feigning injury"

I believe feigning a injury is used in the context to win a free, get a breather or waste time. Diving is different in my opinion.

Diving in this case was used to get a fellow player sent off the pitch

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Agree DC and you've probably been one of the most sensible posters on this thread. Again though we need to know what offences fall into the disrepute category and what action the ref should take on the pitch when penalising them.

Incorrect.

"To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a foul or injury". Yellow card offence.

it seems those most vocal in condemming the lad are now trying to prove what he done isnt catered for in the laws and should be dealt with outside of the current laws.

I dont like what he done but imho he is being hung out to dry by the GAA. Basically a charge of disrepute is by its definition a charge of causing the game or association to be held in a lower esteem.

Personally i can think of many other instances in that game including the performance of the referee which caused the game to be held in a lower esteem. The last time i remember someone being charged with this was Cody when he criticised BArry Kelly and that was overthrown.

If we go down the line of looking at every game and handing out 8 week bans to lads for causing the game of football to be held in lower esteem as disrepute is, we will not have many left on the pitch to play, even less to ref and very little on telly to analyse!

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1502 - 19/08/2015 17:21:23    1772722

Aye cos the GAA are notorious for their knee-jerk reactions to the latest outrage here on hoganstand.com and there definitely has never been a suggestion that players have previously been banned via sunday game analysis previous to this incident by anyone ever.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12351 - 19/08/2015 17:34:22    1772727

The penalty for this offence before the Tyrone game was a yellow card. Pure and simple fact.

Bringing the game into disrepute was suggested as a new charge for this offence on the Sunday Game on RTE after the match. Prior to that the punishment was a yellow card.

Would think the CCCCRTE knew this would be struck out on appeal but the damage to Tyrone's preparations is still done. Cynical indeed.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 19/08/2015 17:37:15    1772729

SeppBlatter

awk wise up! the brush across O'Mahoney's face had no more force than the brush across McCann's hair, don't start nit picking. Cork got those two goals with 14 men on the field so don't tell me they were in a better position to do it with one less man.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2558 - 19/08/2015 17:51:27    1772739

The rulebook says "to feign a foul or injury" is a yellow card. I suppose the CCC would be correct to say that because McCann feigned a foul and injury then dealing with it under that rule is not adequate and instead it needs to be dealt with as a disrepute charge.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 19/08/2015 18:00:05    1772746

19/08/2015 17:21:23
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DoireCityFC
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"Totally agree with you. People need to forget about the yellow card though. That's for feigning injury"

I believe feigning a injury is used in the context to win a free, get a breather or waste time. Diving is different in my opinion.

Diving in this case was used to get a fellow player sent off the pitch

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Agree DC and you've probably been one of the most sensible posters on this thread. Again though we need to know what offences fall into the disrepute category and what action the ref should take on the pitch when penalising them.

Incorrect.

"To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a foul or injury". Yellow card offence.

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Incorrect. He is not being charged under this rule.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 19/08/2015 18:07:58    1772752

I agree with SaffronDon.. I think Aidan O Mahony did dive against Cork..he may have gotten slight contact but that was no reason to go to the ground like a bag of spuds.

It will be totally unfair on McCann if the ban is upheld..you cant have no punishment for the likes of Mahony in 08 and Shields this year who both clearly dived and then suddenly hand a 8 week ban to a player who did exactly the same thing.

If the Gaa are to hand a ban for players for diving then it should be implemented from the very first game of the year and not single out players in a one off match.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 19/08/2015 18:38:45    1772769

@joxer

I never said he was being charged under this rule. I'm simply pointing out that what he done is a yellow card offence as some even seem to be trying to dispute this fact. In fact you agreed with one of the posters who did.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1502 - 19/08/2015 18:55:05    1772781

Very strange where all the vitriol about McCann is coming from.... several counties (mostly Dublin/Meath) but nothing from Kerry.
Surely if there was a big issue here it should be the Kerry posters complaining loudest?
Surely it's they who have most to gain by McCann being suspended !!!!
Strange !!

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 19/08/2015 19:30:30    1772789

This is beyond hilarious in fairness, if Tieran was tickled beneath the armpits he would collapse also i'm sure. The GAA are opening up a pandora's box if the ban is not removed

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1736 - 19/08/2015 19:56:56    1772808

I would complain if I felt he should be suspended but i dont think he should

It wouldnt benefit Kerry if McCann was suspended as he wouldnt have deserved the ban in the first place.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 19/08/2015 20:00:52    1772812

If its a yellow card offence its a yellow card offence and thats what he should get (though if he never played football again it would be no loss to the game).
Hopefully the punishment will be increased after this episode.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 19/08/2015 20:23:24    1772820

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@joxer

I never said he was being charged under this rule. I'm simply pointing out that what he done is a yellow card offence as some even seem to be trying to dispute this fact. In fact you agreed with one of the posters who did.

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Yeah but he is being charged with 'disrepute' not feigning injury so what he did is being viewed as disrepute. I presume that they are viewing this as not simply a dive, like diving when you are tackled with the ball to win a free (Tyrone were masters at arm clamping in the past) - they clearly view this as a more serious offence.
I have read thst the max punishment for a disrepute charge is a lifetime ban. The Lee Chin racial abuse case of a couple of years ago resulted in 8 week bans. I can only guess that that was a disrepute charge and set some kind of benchmark. I an guessing that McCann will get off though.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 19/08/2015 21:00:32    1772842

DoirecityFC
I do not know why Tyrone is treated differently. The fact is we are.

IsMise (Tyrone) - Posts: 119 - 19/08/2015 21:22:56    1772856

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Why do people continue to go on as if nothing would have been made of this incident if it wasn't for the RTE boys with a hatred of Tyrone? The game was shown live on Sky on the Saturday, as soon as the incident happened there were posters on here describing it as embarrassing and a disgrace, by the Sunday morning there were videos made mocking McCann and most of the GAA world were talking about it, and then on the Sunday night RTE discussed the incidents in what many thought was a fair manner, criticising both teams for dragging the game into the gutter. Even Pete McGrath, a proud Ulster gael, raised no objection to what was being said. To suggest that this only became an issue because of the big bad boys in RTE is nonsense, but then again people still make out that the black card rule was only brought in because of Sean Cavanagh.


Because it suits the Tyrone agenda to blame all their ills on RTE. As you say all media had the same views on the incident but RTE are the one being targeted no doubt because of the onging issues between Tyrone (and Micky Harte in particular) and RTE.

jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 19/08/2015 21:23:01    1772857

Jimbodub
Interesting to read one of your posts and how you have found out about 'supposed GAA people on here". How do you know --supposed GAA people are on here and how do you identify them.
Also what makes them SUPPOSED
I'm a GAA man all my life , saw games played in New York , Philidelphia London and all over Ireland. Was at home at Xmas and at the start of January went to Owenbeg to see Derry vDonegal in a Mc Kenna cup game. Also the first time I saw T MC Can play was in Letterkenny in Jan 2014 , again McKenna cup game Donegal v Tyrone. After Donegal won the All Ireland went back at the end of October to see Donegal play the rest of Ulster in a challenge game for Michela Hart ( RIP) in Belfast. I'm not boasting about it but --- IM A STUANCH GAA MAN
So I don't like you calling people Supposed GAA people.
Now on to Ritchie
By men I did not mean the biggest , strongest or hitting the hardest type. I have met many a Tyrone man over the years , like everyone a few bad apples but to me the majority are decent people , a people I have admired for a long time
The Gaels of Tyrone and indeed the other five counties could have let the GAA die in the Six Counties. They chose different. Took big risks some of then, indeed most of them to keep the GAA going , indeed it was all they had for a long long time Do you not recall the Clubman who was murdered as he locked the gates in Derry
You say it is a privilege for counties to play our national sport not a right. But where does it all start. I tell you -- ordinary men and women who give their spare time to promote games , to get young people involved and playing our games. Without grassroots there would be no GAA. And when their counties get to an All Ireland are all those volunteers sure to get a ticket if they want one. I don't think so.
Also talking about rules of head office...... How many times have the GAA messed up over the last number of years. We all know rules and penalties for fouling etc needs to be addressed. Yet they are so slow to act. Won't use more technology... Why not ??
To appoint a ref like M Duffy to ref an all Ulster affair was a big mistake. In this sorry affair you have more than T McCann -- you also have D Hughes, M Duffy and umpires and linesmen. Are these linesmen/ umpires watching what's going on at all ??
The GAA have reacted wrongly and in haste. Everybody knows all is not well between Rte and M Hart. The GAA should not respond to the media/ rte hounding Tyrone and if Tyrone did refuse to play Sunday if the ban is not lifted , how much support would they get from other counties. Could surprise a lot of people.

Another thing , when Tyrone beat Tipp in the u 21 final , Tipp refused entry to the Tyrone manager, they slated Tyrone for cynical play ( did not see the game so can't comment on the rights and wrongs but it takes two to tango) yet this week Tipp never said boo about the cynical foul committed by the Galway full back. A foul that cost Tipp a place in the All Ireland. What do people make of that. We were raging in Donegal at the abuse our team / J McGuinness got after 2011 semi v Dublin so I fully understand how Tyrone feel But if everything works out tonight go to Croke park as now is the time to get behind the Tyrone team / management

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 19/08/2015 21:25:32    1772859

SamonErrigal
To appoint a ref like M Duffy to ref an all Ulster affair was a big mistake.
Sam I find your posts difficult to read and a bit hysterical but I cant make out what you are trying to say here. Are you saying Duffy should be allowed referee some games but just not all-Ulster games? Because I think you might be one of the people on here who complains most about Ulster teams being targeted, getting treated differently and it being unfair, so I cant understand why you would believe a referee should be allowed referee some games but not others? Joe McQuillan, an Ulster man, refereed last years all-Ulster quarter final and it was every bit as spiteful and nasty a game, just it did not have blatant diving in it. Who are the referees that should be allowed referee Ulster games?
As for your point about Tipperary, very few counties would have a history of animosity like there is between Tipperary and Galway in hurling. Yet most Tipperary people recognise that what happened on Sunday happens in sport and it is all part of the battle. However, Tipperary people also believe that what went on in the U-21 final, against a team they would have hardly any history of playing, had no place whatsoever in sport. The different reactions had nothing to do with the counties involved, it was to do with the type of incidents that took place.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 19/08/2015 21:49:21    1772874