DoireCityFC

your getting a bit carried away here lad. I don't think anybody wants to see diving become the norm in our game, but at the same time nobody wants to see inconsistencies in the rules. You mentioned the Ballinderry lad's 48 week ban and I remember the same uproar about that and it was a club fixture, they won their appeal and rightfully so. But this idea that you can change the rules midway through a season because a few pundits decide to highlight one incident and turn a blind eye to many others is farcical and that is what many people from Tyrone and many other counties find outrageous.

The way to deal with this is introduce a zero tolerance policy to diving/simulation for the start of the next season so that everybody is clear on the rules and anyone caught after that stage can have no complaints, nor can their supporters.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2558 - 19/08/2015 14:29:32    1772550

If they had not have acted we would be seeing it again on sunday and in the final

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/08/2015 14:35:13    1772554

SaffronDon
County: Antrim
Posts: 326

this idea that you can change the rules midway through a season

I don't think any rules have been changed here, the only question is does he deserve his punishment for diving, feigning injury, cheating, getting an opponent sent off etc. etc ? This behaviour has always been a no-no so to somehow imply that we should ignore it until next season is not good enough in my opinion.

rcarragh (Dublin) - Posts: 305 - 19/08/2015 14:43:14    1772565

Agree 100% rcarragh

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/08/2015 14:46:10    1772570

I don't think he brought the game into disrepute. I don't condone his behaviour either though. I just find it mad that the GAA succumb to a bit of Sunday Game reaction and charge a player because of this yet don't with others. As I mentioned, the rules in general are so ambiguous that it is not even funny. Surely given the size and professionalism of the administration side of the GAA, you would expect a real explicit and thorough rule book and sanction guide. Even this craic about the gaps and loop holes in the supposedly highly discussed Black Card rule shows the rules committee as being a shambles. How can they make up a rule that as soon as it was published was open to so much interpretation?

I would be happy if there was simply consistency in the way players are dealt with in the association, people can yap that two wrongs dont make a right etc but it surely can be seen as bias when it appears that its one rule for one county and another rule for a different county.

Thomas Clarke pointed out earlier about the Dublin and Armagh challenge game, how in gods name can nobody be charged or dealt with from that game yet McCann is hung out to dry?

geoff (Tyrone) - Posts: 377 - 19/08/2015 14:46:53    1772571

" I just find it mad that the GAA succumb to a bit of Sunday Game reaction "

Has anyone proven this or is it just armchair anaylsis?

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/08/2015 14:50:47    1772574

geoff
County: Tyrone
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I don't think he brought the game into disrepute.

I think we're at an impasse here. If you don't think blatant cheating brings the game into disrepute then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

rcarragh (Dublin) - Posts: 305 - 19/08/2015 15:10:15    1772595

DoireCityFC
County: Derry
Posts: 856

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"Totally agree with you. People need to forget about the yellow card though. That's for feigning injury"

I believe feigning a injury is used in the context to win a free, get a breather or waste time. Diving is different in my opinion.

Diving in this case was used to get a fellow player sent off the pitch

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Agree DC and you've probably been one of the most sensible posters on this thread. Again though we need to know what offences fall into the disrepute category and what action the ref should take on the pitch when penalising them.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 19/08/2015 15:35:14    1772621

If they had not have acted we would be seeing it again on sunday and in the final

they have let this nonsense occur for several years so why all of a sudden does the urgency kick in?


I don't think any rules have been changed here, the only question is does he deserve his punishment for diving, feigning injury, cheating, getting an opponent sent off etc. etc ? This behaviour has always been a no-no so to somehow imply that we should ignore it until next season is not good enough in my opinion.

yes the rules were changed a player who by the letter of the law should have received a yellow card all of a sudden receives an eight week ban for the first time, that's a rule change. To answer your question, yes I do believe diving should be punished but name me one sport or organisation apart from maybe WWE Wrestling that starts changing rules during the season?? You said yourself that this behaviour has always been a no-no, if that's the case why only make a rule about it two matches before an AI final?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2558 - 19/08/2015 15:42:32    1772626

I also would be of the opinion that a dive when running with the ball for example to win a free is different to what McCann did, but the rule according to the rule book is specified below and is a yellow card offence:

'To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a foul or injury.'

Again, I would say that this comes back to a very open-to-interpretation rule that does not differentiate between McCanns actions and the one I have described above.

One thing that is being forgot about though is what exactly was Hughes intention? Was he trying to get a reaction, some form of retaliation to drag McCann down?

geoff (Tyrone) - Posts: 377 - 19/08/2015 15:43:10    1772627

Rules haven't been changed

The rule he's currently charged under has always existed but it's only now that the GAA have the nads to use it

Thanks largely to the justified public's outcry that enough is enough and we don't want this in our games

Once again

No rule has been changed, no rule has been made up just for this player / incident

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 19/08/2015 15:46:42    1772632

I don't get it. Who cares if a rule is changed when? Sometimes it take an action to prompt a reaction to prevent a reoccurrence.

This was the turning point. No one said this was the first time but it was the highest profile due to the magnitude of the game and the reputation Tyrone (in my opinion) have created for themselves.

This was not the Sunday games decision. if the Sunday game panel came out next week and said get rid of the black card would it happen? NO

Yes it may have been a yellow card offence but the ref missed it. That is gone. can't change that. It was looked at in my humble opinion over and over again on video by a group of people who know the working of the law better than anyone here and a majority vote was used and acted upon. How else are we to manage the game? No one including McCann or Harte is defending the action and in my view the 8 week ban is nothing for an action that could ultimately see the disillusion of our sport as a game played by honest decent men and women!

If this is the behaviour we are to pass down to kids playing the game then god help us all!

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/08/2015 15:54:41    1772635

But if the ref fails to issue the correct punishment during a game how can it be seen to be acceptable to issue a far harsher punishment retrospectively? I guarantee that McCanns wasn't the only dive the past few months yet because the sunday game force the issue it gets more publicity and subsequently a bigger reaction. The players are not official role models either - there is no contractual agreement that attempts to force a player to behave as a role model.

Surely if there is an offence in the rule book and a subsequent punishment identified, then this must mean that this offence is not one that brings the game into disrepute. I would imagine that an offence that brings the game into disrepute is one which is not listed in the rulebook at present.

geoff (Tyrone) - Posts: 377 - 19/08/2015 16:10:52    1772654

THANK YOU jimbodub

As any law in the world in any field including sport the law is open to interpretation and the final decision is made by the person/person in charge either elected by their peers or public

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/08/2015 16:16:53    1772660

so punish one player and let the rest go is fine with you lads? You talk about the 'magnitude of the game', not even recently but a few years back in an AI semi final O'Mahoney of Kerry dived to get a Cork player sent off. It was a turning point in a tight game, Cork Lost and O'Mahoney was free to line out in an AI final so why wasn't it 'enough is enough' back then? McCann's incident had no bearing on the result like O'Mahoney's did. I agree that punishment needs to be introduced for this nonsense but you've yet to convince me that its right that one player should be made an example of, that's mafia tactics, hardly a shining example of how to run an organisation and is why it has so many people talking.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2558 - 19/08/2015 16:35:25    1772681

Kerry are the big winners with all eyes on the appeal tonight and tomorrow

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1226 - 19/08/2015 16:38:09    1772685

SaffronDon
County: Antrim
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so punish one player and let the rest go is fine with you lads? You talk about the 'magnitude of the game', not even recently but a few years back in an AI semi final O'Mahoney of Kerry dived to get a Cork player sent off. It was a turning point in a tight game, Cork Lost and O'Mahoney was free to line out in an AI final so why wasn't it 'enough is enough' back then? McCann's incident had no bearing on the result like O'Mahoney's did. I agree that punishment needs to be introduced for this nonsense but you've yet to convince me that its right that one player should be made an example of, that's mafia tactics, hardly a shining example of how to run an organisation and is why it has so many people talking.


Wrong, wrong , wrong, wrong. O' Connor did strike and merited the red, even if O' Mahony fell to ground all to easily. It was hardly a turning point in a tight game, Kerry were well up only for Cork to grab 2 late goals and force the replay, and were subsequently beaten in the replay.

SeppBlatter (Dublin) - Posts: 187 - 19/08/2015 16:46:29    1772693

How do people see the appeal going? Do you think the ban will be upheld or will he be successful in his appeal? I think it'll be either dropped completely or reduced significantly.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 19/08/2015 16:49:04    1772698

" I just find it mad that the GAA succumb to a bit of Sunday Game reaction "

Has anyone proven this or is it just armchair anaylsis?

Under that mantra everything we do is surely armchair analysis? Arent we all sitting here in some kind of chair analysing events? The same way your hypothesis that he brought the game into disrepute is armchair analysis. But for me if people do it all year, a guy does it with a few weeks left of the season and gets punished for it then something is different i.e the reaction i.e which was instigated by RTE. You'd be as well getting off your armchair DoireCity and finding a way to get your own county off its backside! Your obssession with this is over the top

passerby (Tyrone) - Posts: 724 - 19/08/2015 16:49:34    1772699

passerby my opinion are just that. opinions. some people are STATING it is the sunday games doing. Big difference

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/08/2015 17:01:53    1772706