Yeah CoTyrone that 5 euro you dont spend on a burger will have HQ shaking in their boots

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/08/2015 12:47:24    1772458

IsMise this is the chip on the shoulder mentality again. England fans feel the same in soccer. Us against them. Why would anyone single out tyrone? what would they be hoping to achieve? Are the jealous of tyrone success?.....if so why not pick on cavan down donegal cork dublin kerry galway roscommon? Is it beacuse they are from ulster or worse yet the north? if so why not pick on the rest of the teams?

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/08/2015 12:51:41    1772461

Cork didnt complain this must when they lost a munster final due to a ref decision IMO yet tyrone people wont stop despite winning the game and being in a AL semi. Its not an anti tyrone thing its a tyrone being anti HQ! Get over yourself or take your ball and go home like a spoilt 5 year old

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/08/2015 12:57:02    1772465

Ballinderry trio handed 12 months bans
48-week ban handed down to a Sean MacCumhaills from donegal
Donegal club player David White 24 week ban
five players. Cavan pair Martin Dunne and Fergal Flanagan along with Armagh trio Brendan Donaghy, Kieran Toner and Andy Mallon banned
Monaghan footballer Thomas Connolly has been given a two-year ban

Thats just a few in ulster. anyone know any from the other provinces to help prove this isnt a vendetta against tyrone?

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/08/2015 13:04:59    1772469

DoireCityFC
County: Derry
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Another one might be Tommy Freeman who missed the rest of the 2009 championship after an "Incident" in the first round game against Derry. Very harsh punishment for, I think it was, attempting to strike?

rcarragh (Dublin) - Posts: 305 - 19/08/2015 13:40:57    1772498

It seems that the only defence people can offer for McCann is that other people did it too and didn't get punished. That's not very a convincing defence. Sure Tyrone weren't first team to have guys go to ground easily, someone above mentioned Pat Spillane from back in the day. Ger Power was another from that team who wasn't slow to go down holding his face at the first opportunity. But behaving like that means you're taking a chance and McCann's been caught. That's tough - he now has to face a sanction.

Does anyone on here seriously think McCann has not brought the game into disrepute? If he hasn't then what exactly would bring the game into disrepute?
The way Tyrone played against Monaghan they're lucky more players aren't in the dock.

There is no support anywhere for Tyrone about this from other managers. Not in Ulster (Pete McGrath passed up the opportunity to come to their defence on the Sunday Game) or elsewhere. Why is that? Because there is one county who seem to have this sort of behaviour as a main part of their game. Time for Tyrone to clean up their act or there will be more pain coming their way. I'd normally support Ulster teams in Croke Park but I'll probably just sit back and watch this one play out without any emotional involvement.

rcarragh (Dublin) - Posts: 305 - 19/08/2015 13:43:12    1772499

rcarragh yeah and the derry player dived. Id be happy to see him get a 8 week ban

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/08/2015 13:51:34    1772506

Rcarragh, surely the players who should be brought up on charges are those from Monaghan running about throwing punches.

McCanns defence will be that their is a rule in place to punish his behaviour and that it warrants a yellow card. The referee was at fault and did not deal with him accordingly. Therefore, he will win the appeal.

As for bringing the game into disrepute, again the GAA have left a huge gap in their procedures as they have not defined examples of what this actually is. I doubt very much that diving is one of them though. If diving is in fact classed as one by virtue of the appeal being unsuccessful, then the GAA will open a can of worms and will be under seriously intense pressure from now on as in every game there will be people who will be bringing the game into disrepute be it via punches, knees, elbows, diving, secterian/racist behaviour, biting etc.

geoff (Tyrone) - Posts: 377 - 19/08/2015 13:55:22    1772510

CoTyrone
County: Tyrone
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Tyrone People going to Croker only take your hands out of Your pockets to cheer anything you need bringing it in with you. That will say all we need to say to da Gaa.

Haha, good man CoTyrone, that'll show them alright!!

Mind you if the burger I paid €6.00 for a couple of weeks ago is anything to go by, food in Croke Park should be boycotted on health grounds alone.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 19/08/2015 13:58:05    1772513

rcarragh

I don't think the game has been brought to disrepute - Sean Cavanagh got the same media attention this time two years ago with the tackle on McManus and brought the mighty Black Card into the came.

My Argument is that how can you give someone an 8 week ban for something that is clearly stated in the rule book as a yellow card offence? Especially at a semi-final stage of the championship. If the GAA and the CCCC were to say at the start of the season that they were clamping down and banning players for diving then it would be acceptable, which they probably will do from Sept-Jan.

Marty Duffy has to get blame for this you have two umpires at the Canal End (or whatever its called nowadays) and the Cusack Stand Linesman at least who should have been watching this going on, if he was writing in his book should he not have consulted them before making his decision? Afterall he was in no rush he could have added the time onto the 7 mins he already plucked out of thin air. From day one I knew he wouldnt be capable for this game as he is a shocking referee and has shown this time and time again.Why did he send someone off for an incident he didnt even see?

Find_the_space (Tyrone) - Posts: 313 - 19/08/2015 14:00:30    1772514

geoff
County: Tyrone
Posts: 332

Do you think he brought the game into disrepute or not?

rcarragh (Dublin) - Posts: 305 - 19/08/2015 14:02:15    1772516

"As for bringing the game into disrepute, again the GAA have left a huge gap in their procedures as they have not defined examples of what this actually is. I doubt very much that diving is one of them though"

Yeah lets make diving a part of our sport, start paying the players millions, have the game son BT sport and reward players for how far they can roll across the picth when tackled.

Id also like to see the all stars changed to the 15 players who can hold their head on the ground. You get more points for the further away the injury is from the head.

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/08/2015 14:02:18    1772517

You hear tyrone complain all the time. More so now due to this HUGE ban


think of the 100 year ban on the poor security forces.....didnt hear them complain ;)

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/08/2015 14:04:47    1772519

I agree with Tyrone fans on this, how can one rule be made for them in regards to the 8 week ban for McCann yet similiar incidents have gone unpunished in the past is nonsense.

I dont see any difference in the McCann dive to other incidents in the past. For example Shields dive against Kerry in the first match and Aidan O Mahonys dive against Cork a few years ago come to mind. Both were blatant dives with the intent of getting their opponent sent off and there is no difference between these incidents and what young McCann did.

I as well as the majority of fans was not impressed with Tyrones behaviour the last day but that doesnt give the GAA the right to single out one player for punishment. If this proposed ban happened to a Kerry player then i would suggest Kerry fans would be outraged too.

If diving is to be punished then I would be in favour of it but they cant start handing out bans near the end of the season when this has been happening all year. The GAA should make it clear from the start of the year that any diving proven to be a definite dive will be punished with a ban or suspension for anyone caught. Hopefully McCann is cleared to play and all this nonsense will be forgotten about and we can get back to the football.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 19/08/2015 14:05:54    1772523

rcarragh
County: Dublin
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Does anyone on here seriously think McCann has not brought the game into disrepute? If he hasn't then what exactly would bring the game into disrepute?
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I'd suggest an example might be a mass brawl in a challenge match which left one player hospitalised, and the omerta that followed. If that's the road you want to go down...

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 19/08/2015 14:06:21    1772524

geoff
County: Tyrone
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Rcarragh, surely the players who should be brought up on charges are those from Monaghan running about throwing punches.

McCanns defence will be that their is a rule in place to punish his behaviour and that it warrants a yellow card. The referee was at fault and did not deal with him accordingly. Therefore, he will win the appeal.

As for bringing the game into disrepute, again the GAA have left a huge gap in their procedures as they have not defined examples of what this actually is. I doubt very much that diving is one of them though. If diving is in fact classed as one by virtue of the appeal being unsuccessful, then the GAA will open a can of worms and will be under seriously intense pressure from now on as in every game there will be people who will be bringing the game into disrepute be it via punches, knees, elbows, diving, secterian/racist behaviour, biting etc.

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Totally agree with you. People need to forget about the yellow card though. That's for feigning injury and McCalliskey should have got that but McCann is being charged with disrepute. My questions, like yours, are; what is the definition? examples required, what is the punishment?, how does it differ from the feigning injury rule in this case?. If HQ cannot define it and point to the specific rule then McCann should go unpunished.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 19/08/2015 14:08:13    1772525

"I don't think the game has been brought to disrepute"

Lets say he didnt get a ban. Got the yellow card. Story over

But he was still bringing the game into disrepute. The thing you hear GAA fans all over the country say in pubs and games is they dont like soccer due to the diving. How its a soft sport and they should man up. How can anyone not expect us to be annoyed at mccann or anyone who dives from whatever county.

Bring in the 3 strike rule. If a player goes down 3 times without being striked he misses next season or would the tyrone people out there be happy for this conduct to continue? If so.....make your own championship, buy a few diving boards and work away

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/08/2015 14:09:26    1772527

"Totally agree with you. People need to forget about the yellow card though. That's for feigning injury"

I believe feigning a injury is used in the context to win a free, get a breather or waste time. Diving is different in my opinion.

Diving in this case was used to get a fellow player sent off the pitch

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 19/08/2015 14:11:31    1772530

Thomas Clarke
County: Tyrone
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So you don't think blatant cheating brings the game into disrepute?

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one I think.

rcarragh (Dublin) - Posts: 305 - 19/08/2015 14:20:41    1772539

To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a foul or injury. http://www.gaa.ie/about-the-gaa/rules-and-regulations/

To gain an "advantage"...Not just a free. Again the rule is too broad to determine how much of an advantage is too much of an advantage?

Win the free?
Get a player sent off?
Waste time?

Clearly does not state what kind of advantage it to be achieved by feigning injury or foul. The GAA have dug themselves into this hole by their vague description of the rules. Maybe the player that is caught feigning the foul should recieve the penalty of which he is trying to get the opposing player to recieve. If you look at the Myler situation the player clearly runs in his direction but he was stupid enough to make the most of it and rightfully deserved his black card.

I'm not going to play the victim in this with Tyrone against the world mentality and so on but I am going to be ask for Tyrone to be treated fairly and the 8 week ban is not fair.

Find_the_space (Tyrone) - Posts: 313 - 19/08/2015 14:28:55    1772547