Jimbodub
WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE ----BUT NOT NOW.
HE SHOULD NOT BE BANNED AND HE SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED ----HOW CAN YOU PICK ON A PLAYER AT THIS LATE STAGE OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP, diving has happened through games all year including club games , yet no example made of anyone--- why make an example of T McCann
EIGHT WEEKS FOR A YELLOW CARD OFFENCE---PLEASE EXPLAIN. NO EXAMPLE NEEDS TO BE MADE OF HIM. THE GAA SHOULD NOT WORK LIKE THAT. NOBODY SHOULD BE MADE AN EXAMPLE OF --- RULES SHOULD BE IN PLACE SO EVERY OFFENDER IS TREATED THE SAME. SERVE WHATEVER BAN THE OFFENCE CARRIES
IT DEFINITELY SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED YEARS AGO. MUST AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT
AND FAIR PLAY TO THE KERRYLADS WHO ARE SENISIBLE ENOUGH TO OPPOSE THE BAN. IMO THIS HAS TAKEN THE GAA INTO A BIT OF A QUANGO
TIME FOR THEM TO WAKE UP. THE GAME HAS TO BE CLEANED UP. TOO MUCH GETTING AWAY UNCHECKED. AND EVERY COUNTY IS AT FAULT ---- NO COUNTY WHITER THAT THE OTHER.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 17/08/2015 19:34:04    1771653

The one lesson from this thread...
Hypocrisy rules.

Everybody knows what everyone else should be doing except themselves.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 17/08/2015 20:06:01    1771679

Sam, if you're using a standard QWERTY keyboard then caps lcck is usually located on the left side above the shift. Removing and typing will make your posts much more legible.

Look, most right thinking people think the punishment, 8 weeks, is too harsh. However, he should not get off with it either. So my question to you is what punishment should he receive and what, if any, action should Tyrone take if he does get off free? Incidentally letting him off because a couple of similar, although not as blatant, incidents went unpunished is nonsense. It was a very high profile game AI 1/4 final, it came at the end of a list of other unsavioury incidents which meant that it was going to have a post match spotlight on it, it coincided with the sending off of the hair ruffler (so was perceived to have resulted in a red card for the victim) and the player concerned plays for a team who have, rightly or wrongly, had their name tarnished at senior level over the years and at minor and U21 level this year. For all of these reasons, like it or not, this is not the same as the Shields incident or James O'Donoghue incident etc.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 17/08/2015 20:22:48    1771692

JOXER
YOU WANT TO KNOW THE PUNISHMENT HE SHOULD RECIEVE.... NONE WHAT SO EVER
SAME AS ALL THE ONES WHO HAVE ALREADY DIVED THIS YEAR ,LAST YEAR,THE YEAR BEFORE AND SO ON
WHAT IS THE CARD FOR DIVING??? SOME SAY YELLOW--- IF SO WHAT THEN IS THE PUNISHMENT. ??
IMO THIS IS NOW THE CHANCE FOR THE GAA TO ACT ,,, SOON AS THE FINAL IS OVER IN SEPTEMBER GET THE BALL ROLLING AND HAVE PROPE RULES / SUSPENSIONS IN PLACE TO COVER INCIDENTS LIKE THIS AND INDEED OTHER INCIDENTS
AS REGARDS THE HAIR RUFFLER, RIGHT BEFORE THE RUFFLING INCIDENT DID THE SAID PLAYER NOT TAKE A TYRONE PLAYER OUT OF IT. COULD THAT BE WHAT HE GOT THE RED CARD FOR?? BUT AFTER TAKING A MAN OUT HE THEN GOES AND TRYS TO WIND UP ANOTHER PLAYER DO YOU NOT AGREE IT WAS STUPID TO GET INVOLVED WITH A SECOND TYRONE PLAYER LETS SEE THE REFS REPORT ON THE INCIDENT.
I KNOW MC CANN LOOKED STUPID WHAT HE DONE, BUT A DIVES A DIVE A DIVE WHETHER IT BE MC CANN , SHIELDS OR JOD. ALL SHOULD BE PUNISHED EQUALLY IF THE PROPER RULES/PENALTIES FOR DIVING WERE IN PLACE. ALSO ITS THE FIRST TIME I HEARD OF ANYONE BEING BANNED FOR BRINGING THE GAA INTO DISREPUTE. I ASKED A MANAGER OF A CLUB HERE IN LONDON HAD HE EVER SAW OR HEARD OF A PLAYER BEING SENT OFF FOR BRINGING THE GAME INTO DISREPUTE ,, HE DID NOT
CANT TALK FOR THE TYRONE COUNTY BOARD /MANAGEMENT BUT IN MY OPINION IM SURE THEY WILL ADRESS IT

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 17/08/2015 21:12:38    1771726

Joxer

You are starting to sound like their shrillnesses Joan Burton and Joe Brolly.

Give it a rest. You are starting to make yourself look foolish and thats sad for a man who often types with great wisdom.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 17/08/2015 21:13:07    1771727

O'Rourke's thesis is built on 'smell', that is guilt by association.
20% of the GAA revenue comes from TV, mostly RTE.
Tyrone refuse to talk to RTE, damaging the RTE coverage and their product (Imagine the shambles the all ireland dinner night will be if [big if] Tyrone were to actually win the whole thing?!)

O'Rourke, presumably compensated by RTE, was given an unchallenged forum to attack Tyrone.
Although the video segment show about 1/3 of the incidences (probably the most physically dangerous ones) were committed by Monaghan, there was one throw away comment.

Next day GAA ignores its own rule book, and bans a Tyrone player
Smells like RTE doesn't like Tyrone. Smells like O'Rourke doesn't like Tyrone.
Guilt by association?

Methinks Colm doth protest too much

liamoggordon (USA) - Posts: 13 - 17/08/2015 21:37:02    1771729

Ah no Big Sacks, I'm only asking the questions. I've pointed out the reasons why the McCann incident was different to the JOD and Shields incidents so all I'm asking is what punishment do posters think he should have gotten, bearing in mind that most of us think 8 weeks is harsh. Fair enough if you think none. I don't agree with that but at least it's an opinion and not an attempt to slag a fellow poster.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 18/08/2015 08:13:12    1771744

People arguing that we can't ban McCann because it hasn't been done before are missing the point. We need to start somewhere in order to get rid of this type of behavior. Uphold the McCann ban and diving will decrease dramatically. Our games will improve overnight.

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 18/08/2015 08:50:44    1771771

Some people go on as if the GAA is the equivalent of North Korea (although the comparison might not be too far off) with talk of he must be punished, he must be made an example of, we must ignore our own rules and laws for this one act of discretion, etc etc.

I dont like what he did but the rules are there, its a yellow card offence. You cant go back in time and decide no it should be more than that because RTE who have their own agenda against Tyrone are up in arms.

When Tyrone and Monaghan took to the pitch that day the penalty for what Tiernan Mc Cann done was a yellow card end of. Now if the GAA are serious about stamping it out then do it in the correct way, scrap the black card which encourages this and introduce the laws that punish it, do it for the good of the game and the fairness of all, not because RTE have their knicks in a twist

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1502 - 18/08/2015 09:07:37    1771782

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People arguing that we can't ban McCann because it hasn't been done before are missing the point. We need to start somewhere in order to get rid of this type of behavior. Uphold the McCann ban and diving will decrease dramatically. Our games will improve overnight.


Pdempsey i agree we need to start somewhere. That place would be congress where you get the rules changed. You can not make the rules up as you go along!!!!

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 18/08/2015 09:59:44    1771824

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Ah no Big Sacks, I'm only asking the questions. I've pointed out the reasons why the McCann incident was different to the JOD and Shields incidents so all I'm asking is what punishment do posters think he should have gotten, bearing in mind that most of us think 8 weeks is harsh. Fair enough if you think none. I don't agree with that but at least it's an opinion and not an attempt to slag a fellow poster.


I think a yellow card is sufficient punishment Joxer, after all that is what the rule book says he should get.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 18/08/2015 10:00:26    1771825

A lot of silly posts with folk promoting their own agenda and looking through tinted glasses. Very good post by tealinton where he focus on the incident and the rules as they are at present. You could say that every foul/free is bring the GAA into At most this was a yellow card incident. The hurling match was exceptional entertainment an example of how our games to be introduced!!. It was interesting to see the Dub on tv analysis complaining about the incident, obviously he has a very short memory of his own behaviour on the field of play!! The GAA is beginning to loose the plot and appear to allow RTE analysis to decide on rules and interpretation. With a good ref none of this would happened

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 18/08/2015 10:43:37    1771857

We need to start somewhere in order to get rid of this type of behavior and conveniently enough my county aren't involved on this occasion so the time is now.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12351 - 18/08/2015 11:00:58    1771875

Lol - a hierarchy of diving. Now I've heard it all. It's like those who talk about the soft foul - if it's a foul it's a foul regardless of how soft it is. Similarly, a dive is a dive regardless of how many points for artistic merit it would get if being scored. People really need to wise up to themselves.

Bottom line is the GAA/CCCC have gone too far in deciding to implement a rule mid season when it hasn't been up to this point. As I said from day one on this, they should have either drawn a line under it after the McCann incident making it clear from that point they were going to hand out 8 week bans or better still leave it to Congress. For a guy to get a ban for something he has seen in numerous matches til this point without any ramifications is just wrong. And I would say the same if it was. Kerry player, a Dublin player or whoever.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 18/08/2015 11:02:40    1771878

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Ah no Big Sacks, I'm only asking the questions. I've pointed out the reasons why the McCann incident was different to the JOD and Shields incidents so all I'm asking is what punishment do posters think he should have gotten, bearing in mind that most of us think 8 weeks is harsh. Fair enough if you think none. I don't agree with that but at least it's an opinion and not an attempt to slag a fellow poster.


I think a yellow card is sufficient punishment Joxer, after all that is what the rule book says he should get.

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Gotmilk I agree and I have said this on other posts. Although they don't seem to be charging him with "feigning injury". It's a disrepute charge I think.

Interesting to see the amount of people who think that he should get off though. I would like to see the wording around the "disrepute" rule. Is it clearly defined, what is it, are there firm examples in the rule book? Does anyone have the wording around this? This is where congress really need to get their act together. If they cannot define it then they cannot charge you for it.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 18/08/2015 11:06:21    1771883

Hands up who is just bored of all this now. Roll on the game on Sunday.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11566 - 18/08/2015 11:29:36    1771904

There is one way to stamp out this behavior and it is handing out massive bans like the one imposed. So in essence I agree he should be severely punished.
the problem is with why it is happening and when it is happening.
it is happening because the GAA have an inherent reaction to public outcry. I.E the Nash rule and the black card.
They should sit back, wait until the end of the season and then reassess the rules around diving/sledging/feigning injury to get an opponent disciplined.

Then bring in a rule that would mean imposing this kind of ban could not be objected to, this would cut out the messing from players.

So I think McCann should get off on this one, but no player should ever get off with it again.

GAAHattrick (Dublin) - Posts: 278 - 18/08/2015 11:31:24    1771908

Joker that disrepute rule is a joke. Theoretically speaking you could be charged with it for misjudging a kick pass. An argument could be made that misplacing a pass reflects poorly on your coach and the association that has invested so much time into training you. It would never happen but theoretically it could. It is a cop out rule and should be done away with it.

Look i genuinely think diving should result in a severe punishment for offenders. At the minute it states it is a yellow card offence and as a result it can not be anything but that.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 18/08/2015 11:38:25    1771910

GAAHattrick the black card is the reason why we have seen a surge in play acting from many teams.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 18/08/2015 11:44:13    1771915

Breffni39
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1771875 We need to start somewhere in order to get rid of this type of behavior and conveniently enough my county aren't involved on this occasion so the time is now.
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Such an obviously simplistic and juvenile way of looking at it.

I think it's the ideal opportunity to highlight that these incidents are just not acceptable in our game

What he did should be punished - there's already a rule in place that his behaviour falls under

If it was a Dub player I'd be saying the same thing...

A new low has been reached and the time to tackle it is now.. not next year.

He shouldn't be able to get away with it

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/08/2015 11:47:23    1771919