It was most definitely the most brainless dive seen in a while. And right in front of the ref (albeit a myopic buffoon of a ref)
He clearly was absent the day diving was being taught at the Tyrone dark arts academy.
8 weeks is a bit much for what I'm led to believe is a yellow card offence though.
Or have the GAA decided to take artistic merit into account when dishing out retrospective bans for dives?

Chauvinista (Antrim) - Posts: 1 - 15/08/2015 15:29:50    1770649

Joker
I have to take issue with you on this as I agree with the Tyrone poster on the difference between diving and players injuring one another. You say the kneeing pulling , punching etc is to slow the opposing player down What about 2011 when Dublin player B Cahill hit K Lacy very late with a dangerous tackle resulting with K Lacy being taken out oft the game ?? What were your views on that one. Bet K Lacy would have ratherCahill had to dived , won a free for Dublin rather than Lacy having to go to hospital. Bit of a difference between diving with the other extreme of taking a player out of the game and most of the time that player ends up in hospital. The GAA have made an ass of their selves over all this. Why ban T McCann when others walk free ?? Why don't the Sunday game tomorrow night show clippings of other suspected dives done this year. Nobody on here is condoning MC Cann , it's the way the GAA have acted
With Tyrone not speaking to RTE ( which is entirely up to them) it's easy to see rte want to discredit Tyrone
Why did the media/ Rte not go to town on the M Shields incident or indeed the penalty in the drawn Munster final Which was worse than the dive last Sat as it cost Cork the Munster title.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 15/08/2015 15:33:51    1770651

Great read today in the Irish independent by P Canavan and I ask everyone who have voiced an opinion to read it Love how it ended, what with C O Roark stating that a Smell follows Tyrone ---- P Canavan agrees there is a smell BUT WHERE DOES IT COME FROM ----- IMO ITS NOT FROM TYRONE.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 15/08/2015 15:46:38    1770655

Joxer

You never replied to my last post.
Now you're at it again.

A dive never hurt anyone but in your eyes dangerous play is a less serious offence.
Get a grip man or you'll run away with yourself...
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Since when is an offence categorised by how much you hurt somebody. So you could call the referee and opposition players all the names under the sun, cheat by diving, sledge and these are not serious offences? Seriously man you need to think about that one.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4745 - 15/08/2015 15:56:24    1770658

Sam, big hits are part of the game. If it was an off the ball punch to the head or something then absolutely, that's a serious offence. However, I am much more sickened by cowardly, cheating actions such as this to be honest. Attempting to get a player sent off and suspended for an AI final for which he has worked tirelessly all year is shameful to be honest. It's the lowest form of offence IMO. I disagree with you on it. As for any article on this by Peter Canavan, it might as well be Micky Harte writing it. He's part of the county management team so hardly impartial.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o8kzJ0yLcWs

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4745 - 15/08/2015 16:08:41    1770665

That Peter Canavan article and Kyle Coneys tweet are a good indication as to why the GAA need to take action, as it certainly doesn't look like there is any intention to improve things from within Tyrone. Canavan thinks Tyrone are targeted because they are successful - they have not been in with a chance of winning Sam since 2008 and seem to be a good way from it at the moment as well. If what Canavan says is true imagine the bans they would be receiving if they were actually successful!

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 15/08/2015 16:13:08    1770668

Joxer
McCann was wrong to dive. How often do I have to say that and how many other people need to say it to satisfy you. Do you want me to take out an ad in the Independent or Northside News or whatever?

>> No but this business of 'Darren Hughes was already sent off' and 'is it normal to ruffle a fellas hair' etc. is tiresome. It's an obvious attempt to lessen McCann's crime. It was a cowardly act and he deserves to be punished, not with 8 weeks mind you. That's it in a nutshell. Everything else is irrelevant.

What exactly do you want?
What do you mean by "calling for his head?"

>> I'm saying that had a player done this against Tyrone you would be up in arms?

Now to the other points....
Are you telling me that it is normal for players to go around running their fingers through opponents hair?

>> Here we go again. Here's a question for you. Why did Hughes approach McCann? What was McCann doing that caused Hughes to go to him and ruffle his hair? Watch the replay.


Do you think its something that a pumped up player is going to ignore?

>> yes a disciplined player is not going to punch somebody for ruffling his hair, even if he was mouthing at that player beforehand. A cheat will dive however.

Are you saying it wasn't provocation?

>> I believe that McCann was mouthing (perhaps sledging) Hughes before Hughes ruffled his hair. So yes Hughes was provoked and showed remarkable discipline in just rubbing the lads hair. The Sky commentator remarked that this was McCann's third time to go down in the match. After that he got a black card, not a good day for him all round.


How would you like it done to you? Its like something you do to a dog! GET IT ?

>> No I don't GET IT. Again this seems like a pathetic attempt to lesson the crime, even justify it. If you ever have kids you will ruffle their hair. You will not see this as treating the kid like a dog. I should imagine that it was mock affection from Hughes in light of the lip that McCann was giving him. Good restraint from Hughes in fairness.


I dont know why McCann took the shameful dive. I imagine it was something he did in the heat of the moment. Would that make sense?

>> yes I would say he was consciously trying to have the Monaghan player sent off alright. I'm sure he has learned a lesson now and will reflect on it in future if he thinks about making a 'heat of the moment' dive.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4745 - 15/08/2015 16:37:33    1770676

Sam, I read that article . It was self serving . It never at any stage dealt with the issues concerning Tiernan McCann in particular and Tyrone in general. Peter Canavan was however, correct in saying the proposed suspension was wrong .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6180 - 15/08/2015 17:46:00    1770709

Sam on erigal
I won't lie kid , I don't like you , I think your very bitter over last years all Ireland final defeat to our good selfs.
But you make some good points regarding the GAA and RTE I think what they are doing to young McCann is a disgrace .
but another thing I don't agree with you on is JOD did not dive for a penalty in the Munster final iv watched it several times and the two players both challenged for the ball and fell over eachother , I'm not going to let you put that statement into GAA folklore . Now it was not a penalty but that has nothing to do with Kerry or JOD your gripe is with the ulster reff Padraig Hughes.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/08/2015 18:35:01    1770729

joncarter
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Tweet from kyle Coney

"winnings all that matters. Id dive like Tom Daley if it was called for"

Scary.
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Don't you go having nightmares now, try and remember these important facts, its only a game and these are amateur players. Sleep well.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 15/08/2015 19:56:32    1770754

Very clever brend.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 15/08/2015 20:05:44    1770760

Kingdom boy
Fair enough if you don't like , that's none of my business whether you like me or not. And I am not bitter about loosing last year's final The thing that really annoyed me so much in the game was our giving away such a soft goal.
I am sure that when I arrived back in London and as soon as I posted again the first thing I done was congratullat Kerry people on their victory.
As regards JO D all I asked was .... Was it a dive. ?? Now a certain amount of people in London , whom I watched the game with said in their opinion it was. I also asked was it a penalty?? As I said .... A lot of people thought it was NO PENALTY and again some said it was a penalty Same as the T McCann debate, a matter of opinion and as you can see some want him hung out to dry. I take a different view, why punish him when others got away with it ?? I fully understand your point about JOD and as a good Kerry supporter I'd expect you to stand up for JOD and if your opinion is it was a collision then fair enough. At least you are honest and said it was no penalty As you say about my points about the GAA I think it's time to clean the game up and we have now the opportunity to do so Too many cockups over the last few years, why the fear of video technology, would have been handy in the Munster football final and would have been handy last Saturday.
I think it's a must but will the GAA do it. The other thing that's rife is the pulling of jerseys and holding on to forwards/ players to stop a run
My punishment for thar would be a tick to the first player caught pulling a jersey, if caught again yellow card and off with a one match ban Stopping the run could be dealt with in a similar way. And it would not have to be the ref catching them in action, technology again with a guy watching a screen and in communication with the ref. if technology was used properly then it might eradicate all off the ball nonsense
Anyway Kingdomboy cheer up , you have a big one next weekend and as you are probably aware I'll be supporting Tyrone, not because of a dislike of Kerry but Ulster comes after Donegal

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 15/08/2015 20:14:37    1770763

so...if you follow this daft argument to its logical conclusion....lets await a proposed 8 week ban for michael shields...oh i forgot he doesn't have an all-ireland semi-final on the horizon...oh best not to then because we wouldn't be reacting to a media witch hunt...pathetic!

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 15/08/2015 20:43:52    1770771

Sam on erigal
I like you again now, you have spoke a lot of sence there in fairness and I agree with everything you said regarding the shirt pulling and arm holding and blocking of runs although I think the latter falls under the black card rule, but like I said on here in An earlier post I think the GAA are using young McCann as a cop out and it shouldn't be alloud and that's not me sucking up to Tyrone cos brend and the rest of the Tyrone lads on here know I don't agree with the stuff that went on with they're u21s and minor teams and some of the stuff that went on between out teams in the naughties, but wrong is wrong and to any poster who think this is right then just think it could be a player from your team next year.
And now I don't blame you for supporting your fellow provincial team cos I'd do the same my self.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/08/2015 20:51:58    1770772

I had thought about putting up my thoughts on this, I even started a post but didn't finish it. I thought McCanns dive was ridiculous, but the vilification of Tyrone is extreme, especially by people who are no saints themselves. I'll not say too much, just to point out Eamonn Sweeneys article on the back of the Sunday Indo sport pages - he sums it up succinctly, I don't think I could have put it better myself. Definitely read it, no matter what side of the debate you are on.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2480 - 16/08/2015 15:01:34    1770908

On another note, when is the hearing scheduled for??

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/08/2015 16:30:38    1770936

I can't see how people are labeling this cowardly. Foolish yes, childish yes, lack of sportsmanship, yes. Cowardly, no. To be honest, anyone making this out to be worse than hitting some one is exaggerating the incident greatly. No one can defend McCann's actions and I don't want to excuse him for what he done but there needs to some context. He done wrong and diving has no place in the game. But it's a yellow card offence. If there is a worry that this could become prevalent then introduce a rule at the end of the season to address it.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 16/08/2015 19:15:45    1771051

lets keep things in perspective here , yes the lad was wrong , does he deserve 8 weeks no !!! . another note i commend and thank a lot of donegal supporters getting behind tyrone , they know how it felt getting grieve when they were on top through sheer talent skill and a will to win . they never got the credit they deserved , if its not donegal its tyrone or any other ulster county for that matter . i want any ulster county to win . and by the way a down fan on the kerry forum wishing a kerry win and him and his family going down to support the kingdom . get a grip on yourself will ye horse . i think kerry are in a better position than tyrone sat the minute and i believe kerry will win sunday and if they do best of luck to them . as for Tyrone we are on our way back and not the finished article . Donegal a great side and be mindful because they are still a force to contend with my dad god rest him was a Robert emmetts man and i have a soft spot for them . Tir eoghain abu

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 16/08/2015 19:53:33    1771070

Yes, Big Sacks, diving can contribute to an opposition player being sent off. Simulation, sledging, punching etc. have become major problems in our games. Rather than being critical of the punishment meted out to McCann, we should be encouraging the GAA to take a similarly strong stand on all such misdeamours.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 16/08/2015 20:16:07    1771082

Maybe we are beginning to see sense here if we can go by the last few posts.
On another note , in today's hurling and the Galway back pulling down the Tipp FF for the penalty, what is the card. I know he got a yellow card, but if that was done in football I suspect the offender would get a black card
Once again I ask a question---- What was the difference between that foul and what S Cavanagh done to C McManus two years ago ?? None in my opinion and indeed with Tipp only getting a point it probablycost them the game
Another question --- Will there be an outcry?, will one of the TV pundits go to town on the Galway Full back similar to what Btolly done to SC ? What will the papers say about it tomorrow. ??
At the same time CONGRATULATIONS GALWAY. indeed it was a great game.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 16/08/2015 20:21:44    1771085