He should get 6 months no place for that in the gas Walter Walsh tried against Deise last Sunday as well

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 14/08/2015 20:24:30    1770421

Htaem
I agree with you on bringing in legislation to ban players in future ( from 1-01-2016 onwards) for such antics. But to single out T McCann right now and ban him is outrageous
Could we cast our minds back to the drawn Munster final, can we say that with Kerry winning the replay , they more or less cheated their way to a Munster final success. The penalty Kerry got in the first game was no penalty, even the SG boys admitted that Was it a dive by J o Donoghue to win that penalty. ??? A lot of people says it was NO PENALTY , a lot of people says J o Donoghue DIVED. ITS ALL A MATTER OF OPINION.BUT IF J O D DID DIVE AND THAT IT WAS NO PENALTY , THEN WAS CORK NOT CHEATED OUT OF A MUNSTER TITLE???
The same happened Louth in the Leinster final a few years ago WERE THEY NOT CHEATED OUT OF A LEINSTER TITLE. LOOK WHERE THEY ARE AT NOW ( I think div 4)
If what I'm saying is correct then was those two incidents not BRINING THE GAA INTO DISREPUTE?? I not blaming either Kerry /Meath as over the years there have been countless other incidents evert bit as bad as T McCANN.
IMO TYRONE HAVE TO TAKE A STAND, THE BAN IS LIFTED OR THEY DONT FIELD A TEAM IN THE SEMI. ITS GOING TO TAKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO MAKE THE GAA ACT AND ITS NOT DIVING ALONE, OFF THE BALL STUFF, denying teams penalties, waving scores wide and vice versa. TIME FOR TECHNOLOGY.
TIME FOR A BIT OF RESPECT TO OTHER COUNTIES FROM THE MEDIA /Sunday game crowd. When BBC NI televised the championship ( Ulster championship) we had not to listen to nonsense from the likes of JB COR AND PS. ALL LOOKING SMUG WHEN THEY SEE A TEAM THEY DONT LIKE GETTING BEAT. TYRONE ARE NO ANGLES , I hold nothing against them, we matched them over the last five years, we give as good as we got and so did they. But I still believe they are being targeted by the media in the lower south and RTE
Time for Ulster GAA people to support them if they go to Dublin Sunday week

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 14/08/2015 20:47:17    1770427

Sam you cannot equate the giving of a score that wasn't. (happened to Fermanagh v dubs too) Meath did not cheat Louth out of anything the ref made a bad call, as he did up in omagh when the same Mr McCann was awarded a penalty that wasn't v Meath , reffing errors happen in most games, sometimes you benefit (Meath 10) sometimes you don't (Meath 15 v Tyrone) but to deliberately dive to get another player sent off is a horse of a entirely different color, and to try to compare officiating errors as the same is lunacy to say the least.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/08/2015 21:00:12    1770438

It's quite amazing to see the views of some people on this issue. Darren Hughes was already being sent off, the DIVE as bad as it was, had nothing to do with that. Feigning is a hello, end of discussion. A lot worse goes on in most games and tiobraid arainn, your own tipperary are awful fowlers, as is Monaghan- and everyone knows this. Monaghan lost the game on Saturday and brought the game to their level. Tyrone had already won, Darren had no business touching McCann and Mc Can looked stupid but didn't bring the GAA into disrepute- had he done what Hughes wanted, and punched him, would you all be happier? Crazy views, but honestly there is always a lot of moaning directed at Tyrone (tipperary being a culprit).

aabb (Tyrone) - Posts: 65 - 14/08/2015 21:09:32    1770446

What Tiernan McCann done by diving was all wrong but I'm not nearly as outraged by it as everyone else seems to be. There are far worse blights on the game than that sort of foolish playacting. There are two points about the incident that everyone seems to be overlooking. Darren Hughes rubbing McCann's head, while harmless, was a clear attempt at goading/taunting, blatant act of cynicism right there. The referee who was about ten yards away looking at the incident failed to spot the dive, blatant example of the poor standard of refereeing.

So Tiernan is guilty of trying to decieve the referee (but did he actually break any rule?) but after the media frenzy, I actually feel sorry for him. Hughes and Duffy are culpable too yet Hughes was actually commended for further trolling with his tweet the next day.

The whole incident pales in significance to the overall problem of cynicism in the GAA. This is one incident among many, many others. Cynicism is rampant in GAA as it is in many other team sports. Why has not one person brought up the cynicism of naming dummy teams either? This is the one that gets me the most because it's conning me a member of the GAA public. Teams are now giving false team-sheets to RTE and Sky 15 minutes before a game. That is the most blatant form of cynicism we have to deal with in my opinion.

Anyway McCann should not be punished. The error in judgement he displayed and the ridicule he has been subjected too is enough of a punishment. The annoying part is he had been having a terrific year ever since coming on against Meath. He's arguably been Tyrone's most consistent player and I'd also hazard a guess that the mileage he has been putting up per game has been very high. For a player to train that hard all year and miss on an All-Ireland semi-final does not sit well with me. It's a case of the GAA and the Sunday Game pundits picking an easy target and going to town on him while having absolutely no regard for the player himself.

I also think The Sunday Game pundits are having way too much an influence of GAA issues. Many of them don't seem to care for the welfare of the players so long as they are making headlines themselves.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 14/08/2015 21:19:47    1770451

Royaldunn
The point is of all the different incidents that has happened over the years the GAA has done nothing to make sure those things won't happen again. And as you say it has happened Fermanagh v Dublin
As for diving a poster pointed out A o Mahoney back around 2008, yet in all that time no rules brought in to counter it.
Off course when Tyrone does it ---- WE'LL GET STUCK INTO THEM
WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER INCIDENTS THAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR AS REGARDS DIVING ,COULD THE SUNDAY GAME HAVE A SPECILA PROGRAM AND HIGHLIGHT THEM ??? Or would they be showing up some of the counties with that great tradition , never foul play beautiful football, a joy to watch , that's how the game should be played (WHAT A LOAD OF NONSENSE WITH THESE PUNDITS)
As regards Meath IMO they should have given Louth a replay It was cheating with the aid of the referee/ umpire.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 14/08/2015 21:37:50    1770462

Should Tyrone then or your own county for that matter in league last year offered Meath a replay?? . I mean both cheated using your logic to beat or in Donegal case draw a game Meath would otherwise have won.
You cannot give everyone a replay cause the ref made a error. And as for other doing it i also criticised jod for doing it in Munster final, however McCann was the most blatantly feigning i have ever seen.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/08/2015 22:00:34    1770475

Disrepute- the state of being held in low esteem by the public.

Looks pretty cut and dried to me, the vast majority are of the opinion that his actions are inexcusable

elvistheking (Galway) - Posts: 99 - 15/08/2015 08:05:31    1770478

His actions are definitely inexcusable ELVIS THE KING and even Tyrone supporters are agreeing on that
ITS NOT T MC CAN 'S DIVE THAT IS THE PROBLEM, ITS HOW THE GAA HAVE HANDLED IT AND DONE NOTHING ALL YEAR (OR INDEED YEARS AS IT HAS BEING GOING ON FOR A WHILE NOW) but now when it involves Tyrone ---BANG WE WILL HAVE THEM PLUS RTE MADE SURE THEY GOT THEIR POUNDS WORTH OUT OF IT
WHAT RULE IS THE PROPOSED BAN COMING UNDER AND IF ACCORDING TO LEGAL EAGLE JOE BROLLY IT WONT STAND HE SHOULD KNOW AS HE IS A BARRISTER WHAT IF TYRONE FAIL,APPEAL AND AGAIN FAIL DO THEY GO TO COURT?? I would surely think they would
NOW I ASK THE QUESTION ----- DOES ANYONE ON HERE KNOW OF A CASE WHEN A REF GIVE A CARD TO A PLAYER FOR BRINGING THE GAA INTO DISREPUTE?? HAS IT EVER HAPPENED OR IS THEIR A CARD FOR SUCH AN OFFENCE. ACCORDING TO POSTERS ON HERE ITS A YELLOW CARD. SO NO BAN BUT IF WE WANT TO STOP DIVING A YELLOW CARD WONT SUFFICE
ALL A LOT OF PEOPLE ON HERE SEE IS THE DIVE, bad as it was it did not effect the result of the game comparing to the drawn Munster final. Fair enough opinion in the South will be completely different from most of Ulster but I do know that a lot of Donegal GAA people have a lot of sympathy for Tyrone over all this but not the dive may I add

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 15/08/2015 10:04:52    1770506

however McCann was the most blatantly feigning i have ever seen

RD and the fella from galway this is a very grey area. How do you define when one dive is worse than another? Does the gaa have an independent body that assesses dives? If it reaches a certain score does it become an 8 week ban?

The gaa has bowed to public and media pressure. They have made a major faux pas here.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 15/08/2015 10:09:32    1770508

The worst I have seen this year was the Club finals. As a long time member of the GAA I demand that the disrepute that the game was brought in to that day is now dealt with. Then the CCCC/Sunday Game can sit down and move on to the Munster final and take it from there. If they don't also deal with these then I am afraid it shows an agenda.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 15/08/2015 10:17:13    1770512

Some posters are obviously looking through tinted glasses. McCann was incorrectly suspended and that was due to the ref making a mistake in sending off a Monaghan player. At most it was yellow card offence. Do we suspend a player because the ref makes a mistake I think not. Some posters are continuing to bring up debates about the awarding of penalties. I have never seen a penalty given that was not contested on the field of play or among the spectators, so enough said about penalties!!

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 15/08/2015 10:28:39    1770515

As numerous posters have said on here it's not whether the lad is guilty of simulation or not it's just that he's being forced to take the blame for all such incidences. Let the powers that be introduce new guidelines and penalties to cover such eventualities as feigning injury to get someone sent off, diving in the penalty area etc. The"bringing the game into disrepute" is only a convenience because so much attention was drawn to the Tyrone incident. Is knocking the ball off the tee to prevent a goalkeeper taking a kick out not bringing the game into disrepute? The rules should be refined to cover specifics rather than having a vague rule that acts as a "blanket". Would there be anything to be said for introducing a few more cards? Say a purple card for a small simulation, a brown one for an outrageous one and an orange card for two simulations in the one game. Just putting it out there!!!

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 15/08/2015 11:12:13    1770546

elvis an ri...........Looks pretty cut and dried
Brilliant!

Miler (Mayo) - Posts: 1015 - 15/08/2015 12:17:47    1770575

LLaw Gyffes
Very sensible post and I'm glad you mentioned the incident in last year's All Ireland final. As P durcan was after placing the ball for a kickout the Kerry player kicked it off the tee Nothing was made of it. Where was the Sunday game crowd then , did they give it much highlight time ?? Did they heck. At the least it was terrible sportsmanship and I know a lot of Kerry people would not condone it So if and when the GAA gets its act together that is another thing that has to be looked at ie--- player sent off for the remainder of the game plus I game ban
If a Tyrone player done that , would he not suffer
Lift the ban and get ready to bring in rules to clean up the game next season with the aid of technology and give every county a fair crack at the whip.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 15/08/2015 13:18:38    1770594

At this point I am wondering what all the fuss is about.
I havent seen one person say McCann should have dived. There is 100% agreement it was cheating, it was unfair and whatever other negative attributes you want to attach to it.
There is a penalty for diving. He wasnt penalised but that was up to the referee.

Another issue is the sending off of Hughes.
Does anyone know for certain yet why Hughes was sent off? It may not be connected to McCann's dive at all. It might be interesting to look at what Hughes(like several others) had been up to all through the match.

Thirdly how serious is diving compared to the pushing, pulling, kneeing, stamping, gouging, punching, sly digs etc that go on.
These are much more likely to cause serious injury and I have seen several incidences of them this year already but it doesn't seem to bother the SG men.

Diving, while it may gain you an unfair advantage, mainly makes a fool of the person who indulges in it and certainly injures no one.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 15/08/2015 13:55:33    1770609

BIG SACKS
County: Tyrone
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1770609
At this point I am wondering what all the fuss is about.
I havent seen one person say McCann should have dived. There is 100% agreement it was cheating, it was unfair and whatever other negative attributes you want to attach to it.
There is a penalty for diving. He wasnt penalised but that was up to the referee.

Another issue is the sending off of Hughes.
Does anyone know for certain yet why Hughes was sent off? It may not be connected to McCann's dive at all. It might be interesting to look at what Hughes(like several others) had been up to all through the match.

Thirdly how serious is diving compared to the pushing, pulling, kneeing, stamping, gouging, punching, sly digs etc that go on.

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Why do Tyrone posters keep bringing up the Darren Hughes red card? Isolate McCann's dive from Hughe's red card. The red card is completely irrelevant. It doesn't make McCann's actions less criminal or worse. McCann did what he did end of. He is being punished for what he did, a deliberate attempt to deceive the ref and have Hughes sent off. The fact that Hughes was already going is irrelevant. This is a deliberate attempt by Tyrone posters to play down the act. They wouldn't mention it otherwise. Secondly, why did Hughes ruffle McCann's hair in the first place? If you look at the video again it appears that McCann was mouthing at Hughes. Was it sledging in the true sense? Who knows? You can bet that he wasn't chatting about the weather anyway.

On whether diving is a worse crime than pushing, pulling, kneeing, stamping etc. I believe it is. The motives for the others are usually to slow a guy down, usually while in posession of the ball. The motives behind blatant diving like this and, McCalliskey for example, are much more sinister..

- decive the referee
- win a free that you are not entitled to
- discredit an opponent by pretending that he struck you
- have your opponest red carded, potentially suspended for an important game and his name dragged through the mud publicly if it appears to all that he genuinely struck you

So yes I would argue that the crime is a lot worse. That is why there is such an outcry about it.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 15/08/2015 14:59:25    1770632

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/peter-canavan-pundits-are-sniffing-in-the-wrong-place-for-the-bad-smell-surrounding-tyrone-football-31452939.html

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 15/08/2015 15:15:15    1770643

Joxer

You never replied to my last post.
Now you're at it again.

A dive never hurt anyone but in your eyes dangerous play is a less serious offence.
Get a grip man or you'll run away with yourself...

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 15/08/2015 15:19:03    1770645

Tweet from kyle Coney

"winnings all that matters. Id dive like Tom Daley if it was called for"

Scary.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 15/08/2015 15:25:43    1770646