If Ritchie Feeney had played in 2013 final Mayo would be All Ireland winners. Costly mistake by Horan

HughHunt24 (Cork) - Posts: 841 - 13/08/2015 14:29:55    1769468

@TheMaster

Or the Mayo players ran outta steam? They werent injured.

Like how many were missing for the Final through injury?

Players get substituted all the time for tactical reasons.

That doesnt explain the Mayo corner back having a chat to the goalkeeper after a Dublin wide and lying on the ground holding his face, and getting treated for 2 minutes. Then getting up and playing on not a bother to him.

Darragh O'Shea is not a Dublin supporter. He gave an impartial view on a game. And he agrees with what I saw. Mayo were time wasting, feigning injury and the ref did little to stop this.

You just are so blinkered about Dublin. Mayo were excellent first half. Dublin started putting pressure on at the start of the 2nd half. Mayo looked a little leggy and gassed so they start time wasting. You expect it with 10 mins to go in most games. But not with a half hour to play.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 13/08/2015 14:34:26    1769474

I actually read the article. O'Se doesn't give a single example at all. What were these 4 big decisions in the first half? Whatever they are, Id argue that the 45 Dublin got at the end of the game that was actually a wide - which cluxton kicked over the bar, was bigger than any of them. Id argue O'Carroll not getting the line, for attacking an injured player on the ground was also a massive call - probably the biggest in the entire game. He also seems more interested in making the point that Dublin would have gotten these calls the year before than anything else - when they happened to beat Kerry in the final in dodgey circumstances. I have to say, I think that is a very poor article, not backed up with anything concrete at all.

Now I don't deny mayo stood in front of frees, had a few pushing and shoving matches - same as everyone does. But this thing of feigning injury is what I have taken issue with as it simply isn't true. They were all subbed.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 13/08/2015 14:35:15    1769475

Honestly cant see us losing here. We have the best group of players left. Aos will cause havoc for Cluxton. They wont know what hit them. Revenge for 2013. Mayo to win by 8. Hon Mayo.

breaffy1978 (Mayo) - Posts: 3 - 13/08/2015 14:36:34    1769476

O'Carroll attacking an injured player....?

I'll rephrase that for you..... Rory decided to lift a cheat who was feigning injury from the ground.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 13/08/2015 14:43:44    1769484

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I don't really care what darragh o'se has to say, he is just another guy with an opinion, on this occasion a poorly researched one. People were quick enough to turn on him when he was talking about ruffling Diarmuid Connolly's feathers a few weeks back.

It is as simple as this, name the players who were going down injured and were not substituted. If they were all substituted - and they were, then where does the feigning injury come in? Those are the cold facts of the so called injury feigning, they all came off the field and were replaced.


Master you really are the worst poster on here. Only one page back you are reference an article from O Se and saying you agree with it, and then of course you bring up the 2014 semi final again, yawn. And skip forward a page and you are telling a poster you couldn't care less what O Se has to say based on another article. Laughable as always.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8458 - 13/08/2015 14:44:30    1769486

JayP - "with an hour to go"????? - You really have a thorn in your side when in comes to 2012. The better team won that day. Ye were the better team in the more important game, the final in 2013. Get over it. Sets up 2 weeks time perfectly. Could be a draw.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11687 - 13/08/2015 14:55:58    1769495

Let's not argue about 2012 - neither of us won the AI ;)

Oul Joe is very hit and miss, done us in 2010 against Cork for the line ball that lead to the goal. Made it hugely difficult against Tyrone 2011 but we came out the right side with some decisions for the final.

2012 he let Mayo away with murder and 2013 was pretty standard. Mayo and COC say he blew it up early but it was over the added minutes.

Throughout all the games bar 2011 Tyrone, he probably was 50/50 in reality.

You got to make your own luck to be winners!

AthCliath87 (Dublin) - Posts: 345 - 13/08/2015 14:56:55    1769496

JayP
@TheMaster
Or the Mayo players ran outta steam? They werent injured.
Like how many were missing for the Final through injury?
Players get substituted all the time for tactical reasons.

Well if they ran out of steam then they could get cramp couldn't they? Bottom line is, not one person went down injured, and then got up and was bombing around until the final whistle. All subbed. Kevin Keane for example got cramp, tried to run it off, got it a second time and came off there and then. So this claim of yours is simply not based in any fact at all.


That doesnt explain the Mayo corner back having a chat to the goalkeeper after a Dublin wide and lying on the ground holding his face, and getting treated for 2 minutes. Then getting up and playing on not a bother to him.

Players are allowed to speak for gods sake. Maybe he said Im really struggling here, I have to go off. The player was kevin keane, he was subbed straight after being treated, so what are you talking about? Maybe the bringing on and off of alan brogan was an attempt to kill mayo's momentum, etc etc ad nauseum.


Darragh O'Shea is not a Dublin supporter. He gave an impartial view on a game. And he agrees with what I saw. Mayo were time wasting, feigning injury and the ref did little to stop this.

He gave no evidence of it. I gave lots that contradicted his stance. You haven't given any evidence either. I mean consider that, I have given you undeniable proof that those lads were in fact not just pretending to have something wrong, and you are still arguing. for gods sake man, open your eyes.


You just are so blinkered about Dublin. Mayo were excellent first half. Dublin started putting pressure on at the start of the 2nd half. Mayo looked a little leggy and gassed so they start time wasting. You expect it with 10 mins to go in most games. But not with a half hour to play.

Yes they did. What difference does it make if it is 10 minutes to go or 20? The act is the same. They didn't feign injury though, and I have proven this.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 13/08/2015 14:57:22    1769497

breaffy1978
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Honestly cant see us losing here. We have the best group of players left. Aos will cause havoc for Cluxton. They wont know what hit them. Revenge for 2013. Mayo to win by 8. Hon Mayo.

Is that you Aidan?

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 13/08/2015 15:14:46    1769509

@TheMaster

How on earth are you proving they were all injured? Because a couple gassed out? No, they shouldnt lie on the ground and receive treatment. If they are injured get off the pitch.

Like lads getting subbed doesnt equals injury.

Maybe they were tactical subs? How many missed the final through injury.

Mayo were time wasting and feigning injury. You cant be taken seriously if you deny it.

And they are entitled to that, but the ref shouldnt reward it.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 13/08/2015 15:17:54    1769511

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McQuillan is a good ref, I dont think there is any issue with him. The only people that have a consistent gripe with him is Kerry, re the 2011 final. But in fairness, i think that the standard of refing this year has improved massively, there are fewer flash points, and the black card issue seems to be leveling off at last

you must be watching different or selective games
the standard of reffing has been awful and getting worse
until refs get suspended for making some howlers like hughes in kerry v cork game
and the kerry fella the last day in dublin v fermanagh
like the gaa immediatly suspend the tyrone guy for his bad mistake
but not a word about the kerry ref for his awarding the fermanagh goal
refs aint going to ever improve when they are wrapped in cotton wool by the gaa

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/08/2015 15:59:30    1769546

we are used to having refs go against us at this stage
the only way to make sure the ref cannot cost you is to be winning by more than a score
just like the fermanagh game
we wont have a ref as one sided as that again

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/08/2015 16:02:46    1769548

13/08/2015 14:35:15
TheMaster
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1769475 I actually read the article. O'Se doesn't give a single example at all. What were these 4 big decisions in the first half? Whatever they are, Id argue that the 45 Dublin got at the end of the game that was actually a wide - which cluxton kicked over the bar, was bigger than any of them. Id argue O'Carroll not getting the line, for attacking an injured player on the ground was also a massive call - probably the biggest in the entire game. He also seems more interested in making the point that Dublin would have gotten these calls the year before than anything else - when they happened to beat Kerry in the final in dodgey circumstances. I have to say, I think that is a very poor article, not backed up with anything concrete at all.

Now I don't deny mayo stood in front of frees, had a few pushing and shoving matches - same as everyone does. But this thing of feigning injury is what I have taken issue with as it simply isn't true. They were all subbed.

Is the game game Mayo used 7 subs?

HughHunt24 (Cork) - Posts: 841 - 13/08/2015 16:12:29    1769558

Terrible news for Mayo that McQuillan got the game.

IamADragon (Cavan) - Posts: 306 - 13/08/2015 16:46:53    1769583

Yeah terrible news for Mayo. Refereed the last 3 All Ireland Semi Finals Dublin have been in and Dublin lost 2 of them. Clearly favours the Dubs.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 13/08/2015 17:05:54    1769593

JayP
@TheMaster
How on earth are you proving they were all injured? Because a couple gassed out? No, they shouldnt lie on the ground and receive treatment. If they are injured get off the pitch.

That isn't how the game is played. Guys are entitled to be treated on the pitch, Dublin included. It is proven because they were subbed. Obviously if they were faking they wouldn't have been subbed. If they needed to be removed then it is very reasonable that they would need treatment, far more reasonable, and factually supported, than your assessment. There is nothing to support your claims - zero.


Like lads getting subbed doesnt equals injury.
Maybe they were tactical subs? How many missed the final through injury.
Mayo were time wasting and feigning injury. You cant be taken seriously if you deny it.[/

And lads getting treatment equals feigning injury? We can all go down that route. Maybe they just needed treatment. Just like all injuries don't result in guys missing the next game. Double standards from a sore loser, plain and simple.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 13/08/2015 17:15:59    1769603

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Cavanman watch the '13 final he was completely one sided the free count was 32 to 12 in Mayo's favour.


If a team fouls more than the other they'll give away more frees - a general stat like yours says nothing. Maybe pick out examples of where Mayo got frees they shouldn't have.

One free Dublin got which they shouldn't have led directly to Brogan's 2nd goal! It was supposed to be a throw up, but Dublin made a substitution (bringing on Denis Bastick). McQuillan forgot about the throw up, and with the Mayo players pushed up, Dublin took the free and ended up over-running the Mayo back-line leaving Brogan with a tap-in.

The added time with Joe twice telling Mayo there was 30 seconds left (suggesting his stopwatch was stopped - otherwise it would've been less than 30 seconds the second time they asked) has been done to death at this stage.


The big positive I take from this appointment is that Coldrick is now the only reasonably comprehensible option for the final.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5304 - 13/08/2015 17:41:23    1769622

Given that we in Cavan don't tend to feature in the business end of the championship, it does turn heads when one of our own is selected to officiate a big game. We pick up on how Joe referees games and would tend to remember his performances more than most, apart from the teams involved tho they will always be biased in their assessment.


But here is the general Cavan reaction to the appointment:

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cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5304 - 13/08/2015 17:57:52    1769636

Cavaman 32 to 12 in a game where there's no defined free is a shocking statistic , like 32 to 25 I can live with but 32 to 12 is shocking. Every time we had Mayo blocked in he gave Mayo a free out every time Mayo had us blocked in he gave over carrying on us every single time. Watch it again as a neutral and not a dislike for Dublin and you'll see how bad he was , I've the game recorded still and i watch it every so often and it's scary how one sided he was.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/08/2015 18:04:41    1769644