Absolute blarney HughHunt24. Everyone tries to avoid the issue of Gooch being poked in the eye during the '05 final. '03 saw Tyrone as the up and coming team. '08 saw them deny Kerry a 3-in-a-row. Kerry had the answers in that '05 final. It took the dirty stroke of Gooch being poked in the eye to stop Kerry on the day.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8772 - 06/08/2015 20:45:12    1765372

Gouch still got 6 points that day.Tyrone were the better team that day.Now Tagh Kenneslly challenge on Nicolas Murphy was a red and cost us a all Ireland.Worse kennealky boasted about the incident to sell a few more books

HughHunt24 (Cork) - Posts: 841 - 06/08/2015 20:54:49    1765377

It's not the Kerry way HughHunt24. I'm not sure what Kennelly learned in Australia. We wouldn't condone that. Jack O'Connor to his credit apologised to Nicolas Murphy and the apology was accepted by Nicolas. The Gooch was leading Tyrone a merry dance and Kerry clearly had the answers and Tyrone's measure. It's a shame that a poke in the eye was deemed necessary in the '05 final to curb the threat of one of the country's finest talents.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8772 - 06/08/2015 21:07:06    1765384

Fair enough leg.The Gouch incident was not right but I don't impacted on game as Gouch got 6 points.The Tyrone midfield got on top as game went on reducing ball going into Gouch.

HughHunt24 (Cork) - Posts: 841 - 06/08/2015 21:14:04    1765389

That incident occurred in the first minute of the game and it was shameful. It was all the more shameful as Kennelly said he had planned it.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 602 - 06/08/2015 21:18:49    1765390

The Gooch was hardly poked in the eye for any other reason than to curb his threat during the '05 final. It was the game changer. Whether people like hearing it or not, it doesn't change that fact.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8772 - 06/08/2015 21:26:26    1765396

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Absolute blarney HughHunt24. Everyone tries to avoid the issue of Gooch being poked in the eye during the '05 final. '03 saw Tyrone as the up and coming team. '08 saw them deny Kerry a 3-in-a-row. Kerry had the answers in that '05 final. It took the dirty stroke of Gooch being poked in the eye to stop Kerry on the day.

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Jack O'Connor, Paul Galvin and Darragh & Tomas O'Se are all on record as stating that Tyrone side were a truly great team and well worthy of their victories. They should know better than anyone! Jack O'Connor in his book 'Keys to Kingdom', referenced how Kerry were caught in a spiders web - noting how Kerry players were continually pulled out of position - so intricate and brilliant was the Tyrone movement in 2005. The irony is that by trying to dismiss Tyrone's achievement, you're actually just diminishing your own county's worth. The Kerry team during that era were supremely talented and it was always going to take an exceptional team and effort to beat them. I can only surmise that your bitter attempt to downplay Tyrone's achievement, is simply driven by jealousy and nothing more. It quite clear, that Tyrone have some Kerry supporters spooked ever since and no wonder, even a qualifier victory down in Killarney has not eased the pain of those big game defeats in Croke Park - where it really matters for Kerry. You might get a chance again this year but be very careful what you wish for!

JamesH (Mayo) - Posts: 465 - 06/08/2015 21:28:37    1765397

fainleog, I've already commented on Kennelly. It's not the Kerry way and Nicolas accepted Jack O'Connor's apology. fainleog, are you condoning a player being poked in the eye because he was leading an opponent on a merry dance during the '05 final?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8772 - 06/08/2015 21:33:58    1765399

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I still maintain that 2005 final was the greatest I have seen. For Tyrone to go from zero all Ireland wins to 3 in 6 seasons was immense.

Not overstated. Their wins plus Armagh's 2002 win changed football vastly. Credit where it is due.

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Totally agree and very well said!

JamesH (Mayo) - Posts: 465 - 06/08/2015 21:56:36    1765418

2005 final - a poke in the eye takes a player out of the game, ARE YOU SERIOUS!! Cooper has been playing a long time and I am sure he has had worse than that (if it happened). Its irrelevant anyway for Canavan (who was 34 at the time) to me was the best player on the field. He scored the goal and he scored a wonder point from under the cusack stand in the second half that put Tyrone back into the lead. It wasnt even mentioned in the post match analysis.

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 88 - 07/08/2015 08:08:16    1765424

So legend its ok to take someone out because you say sorry, anyway my understanding is that McMenamin has always denied gouging the Gooch and at the time of the incident he had scored 2 points and went onto score 6, what did Murphy do after the incident with kennelly? Is it not more likely that Tyrone got to grips with the tactics being used by kerry. As your own county man said in relation to the cork statement this year the same applies here, that incident occurred in the 10th minute, there were another 60 to win it so to say it changed the game is fanciful, the better team won on that day, it was ten years ago things have moved on and so should you.

duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 07/08/2015 08:54:52    1765434

Ah legend....call a halt to it like a good lad.

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 07/08/2015 09:03:04    1765437

I cannot believe this thread is still going and got to Page 5. In a golden era of football those ten years had geniune good teams. The Kerry and Tyrone teams were closely followed by a great Armagh team, Dublin were strong as were Mayo, Donegal, Wexford, Loais and even Fermanagh and more. No All Ireland was easily won so a county with no history of winning Sam to pick up 3 and at the same time beat the Golden county of the GAA was some achievement. I know Kerry people personally and the era from 2002 to 2008 runs deep. They are a proud county and have no need to feel pain from this era, they also landed All Irelands. The fact this thread was started shows the pain is still very much there.... and you know something Kerry will continue winning All Irelands but that era took any fear Ulster teams will ever have of Kerry. I think that is the reason for the pain as Kerry want the rest of the country to see them as a fearsome team and opponents to be beaten before the game starts.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 07/08/2015 09:18:29    1765449

I have to admit that i thought dem Tyrone teams weren't half bad. They just got under my skin & up my nose a bit the way they played the game & seemed to do the same to our lads on the field. However our boys learned from them and went on to be the team of the decade and look like doing the same again this decade with two AI's so far and another due this September.

dingle2 (Kerry) - Posts: 278 - 07/08/2015 10:02:27    1765473

legendzxix, alot has been made of the gooch poke in the eye but very few people actually seen what happened. Like most people at the game I was watching the play I didn't see it myself at the time and assumed that there must have been something to it, but a few years later a neutral (waterford) man who was at the game told me he happened to be watching what was going on whilst the ball was out the field. Cooper, his marker and McConnell were all in the tyrone 6m box. Cooper was flitting around to try to put them off. McConnell was standing with arms outstretched and cooper ran into his hand. As far as that man is concerned there was no malice in the incident at all, simply misfortunate.
I do accept that canavan taking cooper out of the play at the end was unsporting but I don't think it had any bearing on the result.

tyroneexile (Tyrone) - Posts: 5 - 07/08/2015 10:27:44    1765491

Have we debated who the Team of the Decade was yet :-)
Can't be ar$ed reading back over 6 pages of this

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 07/08/2015 11:23:57    1765528

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I see the end of the road for Tyrone this weekend as they exit the championship which they never could win this year based on their irradiate performances during the season. I think they would be more at home in any new second tier championship arrangement until they demonstrated that they are capable of being up there among the elite counties of present day football. I see this Saturday as a wake up call to them to and when they return to the hills let them think about a new management setup that can bring any future team into the modern game.

As a Tir Eoghain man myself I would agree with you on the fact that we more than likely will be exiting the championship this weekend.Although my heart screams for the red hands, my head cant see us getting past the farney army.Going on our league performance and our subsequent relegation i think all in all reaching the quarters has been a massive positive step for this young team,i would also put us in the top 6 bracket in the country(being number 6), and the only way is up! But the fact that you made that sort of a statement with regards to the second tier competition West,i just had to respond! As a proud Tyrone man living in Galway, and who is massively aware of the underachievement of Galway and barr young Walsh, Comer and Sice, id be more so worried about your own County and where it will find a team to challenge roscommon nevermind mayo , i think such a statement would be more applicable to the tribesmen , as for a team who hasnt won in croker for 14 odd years,Galway entering into a second tier competition may provide them with that so desired win at croker, which so far has broken many's a galway heart for these last 14 years!And i still have the faith in Mickey,which cant be said for alot of galway people with kevin walsh,i know that as we speak, knives are being sharpened around galway !Anyways Rant over!

SpionKop (Galway) - Posts: 40 - 07/08/2015 11:59:27    1765549

Kerry fear almost no team in championship, especially us unfortunately. Dara O'Sé says they never beat Tyrone when it really mattered. Good to see with such a Terra topic the rivalry endures. Heading in before 2 to see the Junior final tomorrow. Should be a good game of ball. Then cheering on Tyrone because the great Séan Cavanagh will play, what a player. No disrespect to Monaghan, rightfully favourites, but a Kerry v Tyrone semi would be a throwback even if Tyrone would have little chance. Anyways, will be tight for us against Donegal but I think we'll pull through by 2 or 3 points

Maigh Eo Abú!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7959 - 07/08/2015 12:44:49    1765589

If you judge team of the decade on titles then it is Kerry (5 - 3)
If you judge it on head to head then it is Tyrone (3 -1 I think)
It's subjective as to which you choose. My opinion from the above, Kerry were team of the decade (based on titles) but Tyrone were a better team (based on results). Clear as mud

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1067 - 07/08/2015 13:48:35    1765627

If you judge team of the decade on titles then it is Kerry (5 - 3)
If you judge it on head to head then it is Tyrone (3 -1 I think)

I think I posted a few years back that Kerry would be the team of the decade for winning 5. But after rethinking, to break that mental barrier needed to get over the line to win the first is a huge task. Any time I've seen it in my lifetime it's been special. Offaly's hurlers in 81, Armagh 02, Tyrone 03. Even sides who have been success starved have had huge breakthroughs - Clare 95, even Kerry themselves ending their 11 year famine in 97.

Kerry in the 00's maintained GAA's most powerful juggernaught. A great GAA county, probably the greatest in many respects.

But on reflection I think Tyrone's achievements in that decade ever so slightly eclipse the Kingdom.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 07/08/2015 14:27:51    1765656