redhanddefender do you ever make comments involving any facts or substance or do you just try and belittle other peoples opinions and look to get a reaction. You never seem to have any actual analysis based on tactics, history, players etc. Just broad lazy comments. Im growing concerned about you. Maybe you need to get yourself some and that may help you relax ;)

Cue the lazy replay of "derry are crap and go watch soccer or chat on the soccer page" rant

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 06/08/2015 11:09:04    1764897

One of the worst topics ever posted , original poster is entitled to his opinion , for instance I think the world is flat .
Tyrone and I saw it at first hand were an exceptional team and had they had to come out of a two county province like Kerry may have done back to back titles , I admire Kerry for their brilliance on the pitch but many of their fans are mind numbingly petty ,many seem to be unable to see the glory in anything but their own jersey , which is a pity .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 06/08/2015 11:16:02    1764908

REDANDBLACK30
County: Down
Posts: 656

1764882 The horrible, nasty way you won the 03 Ulster final probably did destroy
Down football I give that.

Remember this though we still have 5 All Irelands playing super attacking
football.We will always be a part of GAA history.

This attitude by a significant amount of Down fans really irritates me

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12372 - 06/08/2015 11:16:10    1764909

What is bizarre about it brend? Just because my own county hasn't won one in recent times, doesn't mean I am incapable of comparing and contrasting those who did. That assertion is what I would find bizarre to be honest.

I never said the team wasn't exceptional though, I said that winning all Irelands, by defeating teams who were looking to retain sam - something that is very difficult as tyrone themselves have proven, isn't something that has been considered up to now, and so maybe we should consider that when we speak of tyrone's team of the 00s.

The point is reasonable in fairness.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 06/08/2015 11:17:29    1764912

DoireCity if you believe that football is as good and pure now as it was in
the old days you are mistaken.

Take the Derry/Down match of 1994,no match played in Ulster has ever
come close.The early 90s was a terrific time for football in Ulster.When
we lost to Derry in 93 we were hurt but knew they were a brilliant team
playing football the right way.There was a mutual respect.

As my earliest memories of the GAA I am very nostalgic about that
period.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 06/08/2015 11:19:36    1764915

I am no fan of Mickey Harte but I don't think he gets enough credit for how many changes in personnel there were between the 2003 and 2008 All-Ireland winning sides. Was it 5 players who started in both? So really we are talking about 2 Tyrone teams when we talk about that era.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 06/08/2015 11:33:13    1764930

Breffni39 - I think Redandblack30 attitude is absolutely spot on. He should be proud in the manner they won their All-Irelands and of course Down are part of GAA folklore.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 602 - 06/08/2015 11:36:34    1764933

"football the right way" The right way is to score one more point than the other team.

Kerry v mayo/donegal
Dublin v tyrone/monaghan

Which of these will be dull terrible games? I think neither.

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 06/08/2015 11:38:19    1764934

06/08/2015 08:31:27
redhanddefender
County: Tyrone
Posts: 728

1764780
Irvinestown - People will remember Fermanagh for celebrating in Croke Park after getting beat in Dublin, I know which I prefer


redhanddefender let's see how Tyrone performs against Monaghan this weekend and then you can speak! As I said before Tyrone is old news still riding on the back of the back of so called wins of '03, '05 and '08!!!

IrvinestownMkII (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1402 - 06/08/2015 11:46:37    1764941

DoireCityFC
County: Derry
Posts: 749

1764897 redhanddefender do you ever make comments involving any facts or substance or do you just try and belittle other peoples opinions and look to get a reaction. You never seem to have any actual analysis based on tactics, history, players etc. Just broad lazy comments. Im growing concerned about you. Maybe you need to get yourself some and that may help you relax ;)

Cue the lazy replay of "derry are crap and go watch soccer or chat on the soccer page" rant


All you don is google stupid facts and figures. I bet you have never kicked an o'neills in your life. You remind me of this quote - There are two ways of lying. One, not telling the truth and the other, making up statistics. don't be concerned about me, I have a big weekend in croker, watch out for me on the telly sure when ye flick over from the start of the premiership borefest on if you have skyplussed it and you're down the brandywell eating you 2nd burger at half time.

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 06/08/2015 11:50:19    1764943

REDANDBLACK30
County: Down
Posts: 657

1764915 DoireCity if you believe that football is as good and pure now as it was in
the old days you are mistaken.

Take the Derry/Down match of 1994,no match played in Ulster has ever
come close.The early 90s was a terrific time for football in Ulster.When
we lost to Derry in 93 we were hurt but knew they were a brilliant team
playing football the right way.There was a mutual respect.

As my earliest memories of the GAA I am very nostalgic about that
period.

What nonsense. It was aterrific time for Down yes, because they were winning. Typical down man crying about the death of football because you got left behind. Absolute nonsense about that game in 94 to. Yes itw as good but there have been as good of games in the last few years. You can't just select a single game (as down fans love to do) as evidence it as the death of football lol

God they make me laugh.

This thread is ridiculous to by the way

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 06/08/2015 11:53:06    1764945

fainleog
County: Limerick
Posts: 175

1764933 Breffni39 - I think Redandblack30 attitude is absolutely spot on. He should be proud in the manner they won their All-Irelands and of course Down are part of GAA folklore.

I agree. Tyrone can also be proud of their place in GAA folklore.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12372 - 06/08/2015 12:01:03    1764949

No doubt Down were pioneers and we in Ulster owe them much in bringing Sam across the border when they did, however as Breff said I find the attitude of a large section of Down support to be frankly unbearable. They are without question the most constipated supporters on this island, borne out by the comments of the likes of Red and Black as an example. Its no accident that Down are now in the doldrums for the past 20 years, adapt or die, but hey, look at all those memories, some of them in glorious technicolor too.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 06/08/2015 12:05:02    1764951

Redhanddefender the point is this.GAA was the one of the few sports not affected
by negativity up until yourselves and Armagh changed the game forever.I know
that winning the AIs was great at the time but I wonder if Tyrone/Armagh have
any remorse from a footballing purity point of view.Its a fair question???

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 06/08/2015 12:05:33    1764952

Were the Down team of the 1960's remorseful for upsetting the status quo at the time, enduring criticism from the 'purists' of the time with their uncoventional style and tactics, northern upstarts they were. Did Down footballers give a s**t, do you look back with regret?

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 06/08/2015 12:22:06    1764969

Brend there is a big difference between Down and Tyrone.Were good winners and Tyrone
are bad winners.Down 5-0 against Kerry in the Championship,Tyrone 3-2 I think.And yet
they respect us.When we beat Kerry we are overjoyed because we know we have beaten
the best.Tyrone think they are the best!!!!And thats the key difference.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 06/08/2015 12:25:06    1764974

Down teams of the 1960s did not ruin GAA, they aided it.Tyrone and Armagh affected
it in a negative way.It is still interesting but matches are not as good.Good players
are double marked out of games.When football was open Down prospered.When it
is defensive Tyrone were successful and thats fact.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 06/08/2015 12:33:08    1764982

Its the same with Donegal.Their 1992 team was much better to watch than their 2012
team that won.They copied Armagh and Tyrone.It was a vicious circle.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 06/08/2015 12:42:46    1764989

you can see by opening thread tyrone always get under the kerry skin. There still haunted by 03,05, 08 defeats

HughHunt24 (Cork) - Posts: 841 - 06/08/2015 13:11:27    1765022

I am no fan of Mickey Harte but I don't think he gets enough credit for how many changes in personnel there were between the 2003 and 2008 All-Ireland winning sides. Was it 5 players who started in both? So really we are talking about 2 Tyrone teams when we talk about that era.

I think six remained from the 2003 team. Surprising statistic alright but the likes of Mulligan, O'Neill, McGuigan and Kevin Hughes came on as subs in the 2008 final.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 06/08/2015 13:25:26    1765032