Tyrone wins of '03, '05 and '08 are overstated <<<<<<< I agree totally with that statement.

The problem with Tyrone that they are living in the past and when the school of yesteryear players retired, the county have been unable to re-create that yesteryear team and in addition the management is stuck in a time-warp in footballing style as they still largely using the same game plan that produced non-sporting tactics rather than open football that shows the quality of the player.

IrvinestownMkII (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1402 - 05/08/2015 21:55:21    1764767

Someone made a good point on Mayo beating Tyrone on '04 and Cork doing the same in '09. This is exactly my point, hungry and talented opponents will raise their game against the defending champions. Tyrone did the same themselves in '05 and '08. On one hand people excuse Tyrone for those defeats and yet take a different view on Kerry being stopped in retaining a title.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8772 - 05/08/2015 22:02:54    1764775

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County: Kerry
Posts: 4475

I got a sneaky feeling this thread has been created with the hope in mind by the author that Tyrone make it past Monaghan and play Kerry in the Semi. Then the chances are Kerry will beat Tyrone and this thread will re-appear with a big told you so attached. Then the fact that Tyrone failed to beat a Kerry side trying to retain the All Ireland will be used as serious ammunition against a mortally wounded foe

Legend from another legend, your a legend

TyroneLegend78 (Tyrone) - Posts: 52 - 06/08/2015 08:09:21    1764776

I appreciate there is a bit of winding up going on here. But taking the point on its merits, it is an interesting observation. When tyrone themselves were trying to defend sam they lost to teams like mayo and cork. If tyrone fans disagree with the premise, then they would have to accept that their side were not as good as mayo or cork also, wouldnt they? Now il be the first to say, mayo werent as good as tyrone in that era.

The truth is it probably does take away from their achievements a little.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 06/08/2015 08:15:24    1764777

If anything their wins are understated.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1404 - 06/08/2015 08:26:31    1764778

Irvinestown - People will remember Fermanagh for celebrating in Croke Park after getting beat in Dublin, I know which I prefer

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 06/08/2015 08:31:27    1764780

Tyrone had a great team in that decade and won 3 great finals (the 2 finals they played against Kerry were fantastic matches between 2 top teams). They had a great man as a manager and one of the best players of all time. But I have always found it strange when people call them the team of that decade, for me it is obvious that Kerry were the team of that decade. In that decade Kerry won more (5 to 3) and were far more consistent performers (they reached 8 finals in that decade, including reaching 5 finals in a row, an amazing achievement while Tyrone got to 3 finals in that decade). Also remember Armagh actually won more Ulster Championships in that decade. Kerry shouldn't be knocked for winning a few finals easily where their opponents did not perform well; they had the consistency that no other team had to be competitive and get to finals most years in that decade. They also showed great heart in having some bad losses in the early part of that decade but still coming back, adapting and being very competitive again and again.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1413 - 06/08/2015 09:06:23    1764789

For any team to win 3 All-Irelands in 6 years is a fantastic achievement. In those finals they beat Kerry twice and Armagh once, these were the 2 best teams of that era along with Tyrone. They were an outstanding team and it beggars belief that anybody would question it. If you are going to use the rationale that they were overrated then you have to apply to same logic for all other All-Ireland winning teams. Therefore all 37 of Kerry's All-Ireland victories are overstated - ha ha. Whereas the truth is that Kerry have had great teams down through the ages.

JimTheLegend (Donegal) - Posts: 247 - 06/08/2015 09:25:25    1764798

jesus legendstix what an awful post.
winning 3 all irelands in a decade was a great achievement, especially for a team who had never reached those heights before.

Even though Kerry won 5 that decade you cant take away the imprint Tyrone left on football that decade.
I will always vouch for kerry as being team of that decade but the best AI final was 2005 when 2 teams in their prime pitted their wits and Tyrone won by 3 and could easily have won by more.

The fact Tyrone were a dying wasp in 2008 yet still won the AI shows what a quality of team they were

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 06/08/2015 09:52:24    1764811

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Fair enough comment, this 'team of the decade' discussion is beyond tiresome and totally irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. One undeniable fact that even the most begrudging posters on here can't take away, Tyrone have three All Irelands in a short period from a standing start and I know supporters of a certain 'pure' footballing county that would sell there own grannies just to experience that feeling, 'to win just once'!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 06/08/2015 10:03:19    1764820

Vast majority of wins since 2002 have been overstated. No by players, backroom teams, local papers or fans but by national media.

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 06/08/2015 10:14:05    1764832

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County: Mayo
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1764777 I appreciate there is a bit of winding up going on here. But taking the point on its merits, it is an interesting observation. When tyrone themselves were trying to defend sam they lost to teams like mayo and cork. If tyrone fans disagree with the premise, then they would have to accept that their side were not as good as mayo or cork also, wouldnt they? Now il be the first to say, mayo werent as good as tyrone in that era.

The truth is it probably does take away from their achievements a little.
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What a bizarre comment from a county that is bordering on desperation to win the big one. I'm guessing it stands to reason that losing to Cork, Mayo, Meath and Laois in that period meant that we were bested by all of those counties on those occasion, hardly rocket science, but we bounced back in most cases, the sign of a strong and winning mentality when it mattered, Meath did it in the 90's, Kerry do it all the time, that's what makes some teams exceptional IMO.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 06/08/2015 10:23:10    1764843

legendzxix
County: Kerry
Posts: 4475

1764775
Someone made a good point on Mayo beating Tyrone on '04 and Cork doing the same in '09. This is exactly my point, hungry and talented opponents will raise their game against the defending champions. Tyrone did the same themselves in '05 and '08. On one hand people excuse Tyrone for those defeats and yet take a different view on Kerry being stopped in retaining a title.

Well you should retitle the thread 'Kerry are not respected enough', as this seems to be your gripe. ps, this is chat for the fireside during november, is there not enough championship topics and action to keep you happy enough at the moment?

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3846 - 06/08/2015 10:33:40    1764853

Hype hype and more hype.

In the last 20 years only 1 team has won 2 on the trot. Take nothing away from tyrone.

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 06/08/2015 10:35:36    1764856

I think that Tyrone team had some great players but I sometimes wonder do
Tyrone and Armagh fans take responsibility for the death of gaelic football
in the next decade.Many teams realised that they couldnt beat the blanket
defence with open,attacking football and thus copied the style,if you cant
beat them join them.Open matches,shoot outs at the ok coral matches are
nowgone forever.The sadddest era in GAA history.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 06/08/2015 10:41:27    1764861

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County: Down
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1764861 I think that Tyrone team had some great players but I sometimes wonder do
Tyrone and Armagh fans take responsibility for the death of gaelic football
in the next decade.Many teams realised that they couldnt beat the blanket
defence with open,attacking football and thus copied the style,if you cant
beat them join them.Open matches,shoot outs at the ok coral matches are
nowgone forever.The sadddest era in GAA history.

I will happily take responsibility for the death of Down football over the last 20 years but alas there are so many lining up for that accolade!

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 06/08/2015 10:51:43    1764868

Winning three All-Ireland's in a decade is not easily done and a sign of a great team. I certainly looked up to Galway, Down Dublin and Kerry in achieving this no matter what way they fell and I for one would not belittle Dublin if they achieve their third win in a decade this year even if it is at the expense of the defending champions.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1792 - 06/08/2015 10:59:02    1764880

The horrible, nasty way you won the 03 Ulster final probably did destroy
Down football I give that.

Remember this though we still have 5 All Irelands playing super attacking
football.We will always be a part of GAA history.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 06/08/2015 11:00:20    1764882

REDANDBLACK30 Yeah terrible to see such low scoring games. Death of the GAA indeed.

Tyrones last game they scored 21 points
Armagh got 12.

Armagh and tryone in the league. 11-76 and 3-76

If low scoring and good tactical displays are the death of and constitue as the worst era of oue game......and i repeat the death of our games then why didnt our game die when Laois scored 0-0 in an all ireland final or when kerry beat dublin 5 point to 2 or when kildare won and ai final 5 point to 2. Games change and develop and change and develop again.

DEATH OF THE GAME.......here is 2015
Mayo 6-25 sligo 2-11
louth 16 westmeath 3-14
Laois 16 kildare 16
Laois 1-11 kildare 3-18
wicklow 3-12 meath 2-19
westmeath 3-19 meath 2-18
cork 3-12 kerry 2-15
cavan 15 monaghan 16
monaghan 1-20 fermanagh 13
Laois 1-16 antrim 2-15
wexford 2-16 down 2-11
Clare 1-12 Longford 2-12
Cavan 1-16 Roscommon 3-17
Dublin 2-23 Fermanagh 2-15


If Tyrone and Armagh has brought about this I owe them all a pint or 2

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 06/08/2015 11:04:33    1764887

In 2012 Kerry beat Tyrone handily and celebrated like SAM was on its way back home. They were then beat by Donegal, with the exertion of beating tyrone they couldn't get up to go all the way, cork and mayo did this to tyrone in the noughties and then offered very little resistance to the excellent kerry team. Good teams can get themselves consistently up for battle but saying tyrones wins were handy because they knocked out the defending champs is silly, thats the definition of taking the crown from the champs, are any of kerrys titles tainted when they didn't defeat the champions? Tyrone and kerry were the best two teams in the noughties and tyrone can say they weren't beat by kerry in that decade, as to the team of the decade nonesence who cares it was good to watch two fine teams going toe to toe.

duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 06/08/2015 11:06:32    1764890