Cork football has gone back 10 years. Yes we should have won munster final only for a referee favouring Kerry. But lads lost heart so easily worries me as players are not behind manager. Time to change structures in cork football for the better. By the way well done kildare

HughHunt24 (Cork) - Posts: 841 - 25/07/2015 20:47:55    1758896

Similar to Meath,their seems to be a mental problem with Cork(they have better players than Meath),we see it year after year with Cork..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/07/2015 20:54:43    1758902

Not much wrong with the talent or footballing ability in Cork but serious confidence issues going on and mostly caused by Kerry. There is massive inferiority issues brought on by being beside Kerry and taking some of the beatings, unfair at times, from them. They should have won the first match against Kerry by 5 or 6 points but threw it away again and you could see the reaction of the Cork players as their heads went down and their shoulders sank. Cork need 6 months in a boot camp...alongside Mayo....and Antrim if course.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9838 - 25/07/2015 20:59:03    1758907

Cork football need John Cleary in charge next year. Kerry got hammered by Meath in 2001. Came back in 02 and reached a final, Tyrone taugh us a footballing lesson in 2003 and we came back and won Sam in 2004. Cork will be back next year.

kerryrowz (Kerry) - Posts: 833 - 25/07/2015 21:23:26    1758930

Thats because Kerry are very good at adapting to changes etc

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/07/2015 21:27:07    1758931

When you consider just how ordinary Cork made Kerry look in the first Munster final and in truth, there wasn't any large chasm between the two sides in the replay either - Kerry are there for the taking. My suspicion has become strengthened that either Monaghan or Tyrone will make it to the All Ireland final from that side of the draw.

JamesH (Mayo) - Posts: 465 - 25/07/2015 21:31:58    1758937

JamesH

I thought Kerry were poor in the first game,but were in control in the second game without getting near their potential..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/07/2015 21:40:21    1758949

Its hard for any team to turn around after losing a provincial final replay and 6 days later play against a team with plenty of momentum from the backdoor.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1750 - 25/07/2015 21:40:41    1758951

Brian Cuthbert was given a three year contract. He will not be going anywhere.

I heard last week that John Cleary pulled out of the race due to family issues. He will not be available regardless.

There are no other obvious candidates.

We'll just trundle along as normal. History suggests we are not due another All-Ireland until 2036 anyway. No panic!

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 25/07/2015 21:41:30    1758953

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Not much wrong with the talent or footballing ability in Cork but serious confidence issues going on and mostly caused by Kerry. There is massive inferiority issues brought on by being beside Kerry and taking some of the beatings, unfair at times, from them. They should have won the first match against Kerry by 5 or 6 points but threw it away again and you could see the reaction of the Cork players as their heads went down and their shoulders sank. Cork need 6 months in a boot camp...alongside Mayo....and Antrim if course.

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I think you're onto something but you're wrong about Mayo - we're just fine, thank you! However, as for Cork that's another story! This summer we even have the O'Se's from Kerry brazenly telling everyone that will listen via the media that Cork are leaderless and they lie down too easily when pressure is applied. There's no cute heroism by them either, only publicly straight out accusing Cork of being leaderless! The propaganda is clearly paying off! We have Cork fellas then being Mr nice guys in response, saying 'ah well, that is their opinion and we don't listen, etc.' Not good enough! Where is the Cork leader standing up and saying - shut your mouth and don't insult my county!? Enough is enough! James Horan said, he would take the bulls*** of Mayo football and he did just that - Cork need someone similar right now!

JamesH (Mayo) - Posts: 465 - 25/07/2015 21:51:00    1758962

Donnocha O'Connor prob gonna retire as well

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 25/07/2015 21:59:08    1758972

Losing Aidan Walsh to Hurling was a big blow for Cuthbert at the start of the year. Will he stick with Hurling for the next few years?

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2897 - 26/07/2015 09:23:15    1758987

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1758937 When you consider just how ordinary Cork made Kerry look in the first Munster final and in truth, there wasn't any large chasm between the two sides in the replay either - Kerry are there for the taking. My suspicion has become strengthened that either Monaghan or Tyrone will make it to the All Ireland final from that side of the draw.
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have we not lost enough to Kerry to stop underestimating them, theyre not even out of second gear yet. Monaghans current team haven't even reached a semi in recent years.

As for Tyrone they're a shadow of the previous team and they'll be on the other side of the draw if Galway beat Donegal.

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 26/07/2015 09:31:59    1758993

firstly congrats to kildare worthy winners.as for my own county i see the rip is coming out football is dead in cork and so on.there are teams in the last 8 who i feel are far inferior to cork however they are there we are not.EVERY TEAN must have a good squad of players we definetly have that.EVERY TEAM must have management that the players and fans belive in we dont have that.im not been wise after the event cuthbert was never the man for the job,in 87,88,89,90 we had our greatest cork team ever,in 07,08,09,10 we made 3 finals and a semi managed to win one JUST,and got smacked twice by kerry.cork dont win all irelands very often 7 in the history of the gaa,and this obsession with beating kerry and thats enough done has got to stop. In hurling we have always been strong on the line but bar billy in football we are so weak,so i say to county board when you give cuthbert his p45 on tuesday because he will get it make no mistake PICK THE RIGHT MAN WHERE EVER HE IS FROM IT DOES NOT MATTER PICK HIM PAY HIM AND GET HIM,this failure has got to stop,i want to go to the killarneys and croke parks and be confident and if we are beat at least be proud of the effort we have put in its not good enough and it has to stop NOW ENOUGH IS ENOUGH,on a side note i will go to thurles today and win lose or draw we will leave everything on the field footballers take note

monkstownrebel1 (Cork) - Posts: 353 - 26/07/2015 09:41:48    1758996

From a neutral perspective, I would think there is nothing at all wrong with Cork football. I would still see them as being in the top 6 in the country. They have under-achieved this year because of the way the season has worked out. As I said in another post, their season was scuppered by drawing against Kerry in Killarney. They needed a definite result there -- either to win or lose that game by a point or two. But having drawn, they should have treated the result as a loss and played in 2nd gear in the replay, because nobody beats Kerry in a replay in Killarney. If they had conceded the replay without putting in much effort they would have been ready for Kildare yesterday and would have beaten them. The 6 day turn around was always going to be a big ask, especially against a team like Kildare who, although theyre poor, are still a top 10 team and are capable of putting a good performance in every now and then.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2077 - 26/07/2015 09:48:06    1758997

Monkstown

Your points are good. I will eat my hat though if Cuthbert is not on the line next year. he got three years.

There are no other candidates anyway. We are not going to go outside the county. Inside all I can think of is Sean Hayes, John Corcoran, Teddy Holland, Teddy McCarthy...with the risk of drawing one of them cards, we should stick rather than twist!

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 26/07/2015 10:14:36    1759008

After seeing them scrap until the end of the quarter final last year I thought Cuthbert had put some much-needed mental strength into a very talented group of footballers. I think they've too many good footballers and not enough of them are team players willing to battle to the end. They're missing a few Noel O'Leary type of players. I used to love watching him play with his chest out and heart on his sleeve. Not the most skilful player he more than made up for it with heart, workrate, toughness and teamwork. Forget 6 day turnarounds and injuries to key players. Cork have better players on the bench who, on paper,are better than most of the Kildare 15. If Cork had the teamwork and desire of Kildare they could have won by thirty points, but they haven't a percent of it. I was in Croke Park a few years to watch a Jason Ryan managed Wexford team put Down out of the championship. Very unlikely that Kildare will beat Kerry but then again it the Kingdom two home games to shake off Cork while Kildare hammered them in a Munster venue. Let the yerraing begin !

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8247 - 26/07/2015 10:29:48    1759022

Rumours of the death of Cork football have been greatly exaggerated methinks! Few counties produce the quality of footballers that they do on a regular basis so talent has never been in question, what is questionable has been attitude and leadership and this is where Cork require a root and branch review and soon.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 26/07/2015 11:06:06    1759042

Who is responsible for the SEVEN, not six, day turnaround? Why was there a two week gap between the drawn match and the replay in Munster? Thought myself at the time that it was ridiculous only allowing SEVEN days at the other end. Was it a Munster Council call and why did the teams agree? I genuinely feel sorry for the Cork players as they get very little support from the Cork public. And since there is no apparent replacement manager, where to for Cork football?

westisthebest (Galway) - Posts: 444 - 26/07/2015 12:41:44    1759094

Confidence and leadership gone from Cork football and that will need fixing before they can recover.
Beatings from ourselves and Kerry are leaving mental scars and while they have very good players they are lacking belief in themselves.
Not impossible to recover but very hard and need a couple of big scalps to regain that missing 5%

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 26/07/2015 14:04:11    1759145