Some very sweeping statements there.

I don;t dispute Keoghan is a fine corner back, but best in the country "by some distance" is stretching it a bit. Keith Higgins might have something to say about that. Of the other players you mention I would class them as good, maybe even very good on their day. But I wouldn't rate them any higher than what Tyrone have got either.

We made hard work out of Div 2 granted, but at the end of the day we got out of it. Factor in the consideration that McGuinness probably had them doing training sessions the like of which would kill me or you, during the spring.

"this team has the potential to beat ANY team in country"
"man for man we are better than Tyrone"
"i see nothing other than a Meath victory"

Madness!

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9803 - 09/07/2015 12:04:46    1750389

This Derry Soccer guy again who thinks derry are the team to beat.

As far as players go, Tyrone have better players all over apart from the full forward line. Royaldunne named a list of players there and only about 2 would stand out as top intercounty players. The rest have shown nothing in league or championship.

No harm but if we don't beat Meath by 5/6 this weekend then we need to take a long hard look at ourselves. we can't afford for this all Ireland winning under 21 team to slip away. They need to be brought through next year and blended with the likes of petey harte, mattie Donnelly.

We have bags of pace and all the ingredients there but just looked a bit clueless at times.

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 09/07/2015 12:15:46    1750398

Rwdhand, ok then name the two? And who didn't stand out in leagues apart from Gillespie who didn't play?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/07/2015 12:30:30    1750406

DoireCityFC
County: Derry
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1750378 Both teams are fallen giants and have to accept where they stand at the min. A QF for either would be a good year in my view with the hope of building for next year and a provincial win. It will be tyrone who win or lose this game. I know that sounds silly but if Tyrone show up it will be game over for meath even if they are at the races. If both teams show up......tyrone by 2
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You are of course correct, this is a clash between two counties no longer dining at the top table and ultimately fighting for scraps. A quarter final place would represent an upturn on the performance curve of either county in terms of their development and as a result gives this game an extra dimension. In the greater scheme of things, i.e. the destination of Sam, it is a non event.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 09/07/2015 12:31:04    1750407

Lockjaw, keoghan would be easily better than Higgins, also you cannot say that graham Reilly is not a excellent half forward,
Yes man for man this team is superior to Tyrone , but the line have got it very wrong, if the right appointment was made we would challenge for all Ireland this year. But it wasn't , we are where we are, and unfortunately we risk wasting 3 years before we can realistically challenge with the right team on the line, this is with the inclusion of 3/4 players who should be on panel but are not.
I take the exact opposite view to the soccer lad, if Meath turn up and miraculously mod has learned in 2 weeks what he hasn't in 3 years then Meath will win, but hard to see that happening.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/07/2015 12:38:35    1750413

RD

Keoghan is one of the best corner backs in the country that I have seen,but easily better than Higgins?? I would rate Higgins ahead of him,although Donal is younger.But this is not the point.Would Higgins play 6 for Mayo and Keegan play corner back in the champ?

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 09/07/2015 12:51:43    1750420

I don't know if we're better than Tyrone man for man from a talent point of view, plenty of arguments either way there. But Tyrone certainly would have better mental strength than us and have shown that they're tactically clever enough to live with top teams even if they're not beating them much these days.

I think we have a lot of talented players in Meath at the minute but we're certainly falling well short in other departments and both management and the players have to address that. But it's these other weaknesses that Tyrone will certainly exploit and that's why I'm finding it very hard to see anything other than a comfortable Tyrone win.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 09/07/2015 12:52:37    1750421

keoghan would be easily better than Higgins, also you cannot say that graham Reilly is not a excellent half forward,

Ara coinnigh caint. That's nonsense. When has Keoghan really been tested? Has he ever had to mark the likes of a James O'Donoghue at the business end of the championship? Talk is cheap.

Graham Reilly is a very decent player but I have seen him go AWOL when coming up against a higher standard of opposition. Yes - he stands out a mile playing against the likes of Wicklow, Westeath etc but against real top quality opposition I'm afraid he's been found wanting.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9803 - 09/07/2015 13:00:20    1750427

Htaem

We are better than Westmeath man for man,but that didn't make much of a difference.Actually I reckon only 4 of their players would make it on our team MAX.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 09/07/2015 13:04:03    1750434

Htaem, that's the problem, its a mental thing. Tyrone have it Meath don't.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/07/2015 13:08:11    1750439

" This Derry Soccer guy again who thinks derry are the team to beat. "

I stress my point again that I am a Tyrone fan second to Derry and I'm glad others from Tyrone and elsewhere agree with my prognosis that Tyrone are not what they once were. Hopefully you can understand this post as you have failed to understand any of my previous comments and have responded like a man with a chip on his shoulder when all I am doing is saying it like I'm seeing it.

As for the under 21 comment. Yes I agree you cannot let them slip away but that is all too often the case with u21 teams like Tipp and Cavan. It's a big step up and I don't see how this is relevant to this game. Yes you do have bags of pace but as seen from Meath so far this year so do they. pace wont and doesn't win games!!!!

I am also confused by your comment stating if Tyrone don't win by 5+ points it will be a failure of sorts when in a previous post you stated it will be a 'tight game' I know people can change their mind depending on changing circumstances but what has changed since yesterday morning?

Please try and be more positive/productive in future posts :)

P.S Joe brolly style comments don't befit a Tyrone man

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/07/2015 13:23:22    1750445

Redhand "Scorelines are irrelevant. Its about performances and talent" Why now is the score relevant?

"you produced joe brolly" And now you are using his tactics and crass to provoke comments

"I didn't like his misplaced arrogance" isnt it arrogant to asume you will win by 5/6 and say it will be a failure otherwise?

Are several people using your log in info or do you just happen to forget comments/opinion you had yesterday?

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/07/2015 13:29:35    1750451

RD in fairness are you over egging it in terms of the quality of the current Meath players. You are consistent I will give you that on bigging it up but all the fault lying squarely with the guys on the line is a bit of a get out of jail clause when you lose. Remember I have great regard for Meath football given your exploits in the past but your underage is not great and club football in Meath is pretty average. Of course these are only contributory factors but is it a case that ye are waiting for it to happen rather than making it happen. Similarly I get frustrated here in Galway as I think we have quality players some of this based on good underage and representatives from one of the strongest clubs in the country. But then it occurs to me it is much more than that. For instance I am pretty nervous about our trip to Armagh as our guys even with all their abilities, successful underage etc will have to make it happen rather than expecting it. The flip side to this is that Donegal for example have average club fare, little underage success apart from a good u21 team in 2010 but are a serious senior side. I cannot put my finger on it but with varying abilities and reasons Meath and Galway seems to be standing still. Resource issues have been one of our problems in terms of conditioning coaches etc but again only a contributory issue to the overall package.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1977 - 09/07/2015 13:54:58    1750464

@ Ziggy, Meath are better than Westmeath man to man. That did give me a laugh! The only Meath players did would make the Westmeath starting team are Reilly, Rooney and Menton. Do you actually go to any Meath games? On every thread you say you couldn't make the game. You couldn't make the recent minor game and you can't the Tyrone game. This Tyrone game we will see what Meath are made of. You all expected to hammer Westmeath the last day. Stop blaming the manager when you lose; though I'm sure you all will be calling for O'Dowd's head coming Saturday evening. Someone like Graham Geraghty is not going to come in instantly return the glory days of the past.

Matthew (None) - Posts: 1083 - 09/07/2015 14:03:10    1750469

Lockjaw total bs, he has had great days v dubs 10 motm, yeah they kept him quite last 2 meetings, against Armagh last year same, against Donegal in league when introduced after injury same thing, how can he or keoghan be judged against Kerry? They haven't met since he on team, ? Trust me if Tyrone don't mark him tightly Meath will win with bit to spare on Saturday.
You can only perform and play what's infront of you.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/07/2015 14:06:40    1750473

ziggy32001
County: Meath
Posts: 3314

1750434 Htaem

We are better than Westmeath man for man,but that didn't make much of a difference.Actually I reckon only 4 of their players would make it on our team MAX.

Apart from Reilly I cant think of any other meath player that would make any top team. Lads on about Keoghan corner back I have told ye numerous times he was tried there in challenge match against Roscommon two weeks before Westmeath game and diarmuid murtagh scored 2-5 from play off him in opening half. Would murtagh or any forward in the country do that to Higgins or johnny cooper? no way in hell. Ye are slightly deluded

Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 09/07/2015 14:11:41    1750476

" This Derry Soccer guy again who thinks derry are the team to beat. "

And just a wee follow up. I didn't mention Derry in my comment and not in one single of my 500 posts have I EVER said they are the team to beat and soccer guy? Don't judge a book by its cover or in this case a username. Assumptions and prejudice are the tools of the idiot

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/07/2015 14:12:35    1750477

Pingcity

You're wrong I'm afraid, Keogan is a better player than Reilly, he's our best player but he's been playing out of position since the middle of the league last year, that's bound to effect his performances at corner back. As for how many Meath players would make top teams......couldn't give a monkeys, it's totally irrelevant, we have to get the best out of what we have, not worry about which of our players would make other teams.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 09/07/2015 14:22:16    1750486

pingcity..why are you masquerading as somebody from longford?..every post is about the rossies!

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 09/07/2015 14:28:05    1750491

G'wan outta tha RD, Reilly wouldn't make our subs bench :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8775 - 09/07/2015 14:37:05    1750497