Tyrone have been very inconsistent this year and while playing well this year against Dublin, Kerry, Mayo and Donegal the last day against Limerick was poor. Tyrone give the impression that they are struggling to hold onto a place as a top eight team and they are nowhere as good as two years ago when they last played Meath. That said they have a great record in the back door and we have no idea how Meath will react to defeat against Westmeath. While Tyrone could win on Sunday it is hard to see them making the last eight unless they step it up.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1792 - 08/07/2015 13:20:13    1749829

I think Meath could get a result here

NorthKildare (Kildare) - Posts: 197 - 08/07/2015 13:37:11    1749847

Byanthon
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1040

Tyrone have been very inconsistent this year and while playing well this year against Dublin, Kerry, Mayo and Donegal the last day against Limerick was poor.
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I'd look at it slightly differently, in that I think Tyrone's performance levels, personnel used, scoring rates and style of play have been very consistent all year. We've been consistently poor in most areas of the game and, to my eyes, the fluctuations in results have been due to the performance levels of our opponents.

Tyrone 2015 are defensive, as are many sides, but we are also very ponderous when attacking, lacking the incisiveness or power to break at pace. We are good at denying opponents chances, but seem unable to covert turnovers into scoring opportunities of our own.

Tyrone are a very average side right now. We scored more than 12 times only twice in our last 10 league/championship games, and on the last 7 occasions that we met division 1 or 2 opposition in Omagh, we failed to come away with a win. Limerick, dreadful though we were, was our first win since early February.

I'm hoping that our organisation and fitness may see us through on Sunday, but I do worry about Meaths's forwards, and our inability to put games to bed. Meath are likely to be in the hunt deep into the 2nd half and, if that's the case, anything can happen. On current form, this game really could go either way. The losing manager is almost certainly at the end of his reign.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 08/07/2015 14:05:47    1749865

Just a FYI here and for the avoidance of doubt in the future, should the poster featured below ever slag off or criticise any Ulster county, or any county for that matter, for having a win at all costs attitude and putting 15 men behind the ball whilst referring to it as 'puke', please feel free to remind him of his comments below.

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 7776

1749393 Normally bring at least 5 to matches more often 7 in the espace. That been said only me and two eldest will go to omagh, like it or not the date is not ideal combined with location, herself does not want younger kids to go .
On the match itself we should win, there is no way mods legacy can be first ever defeat to a very average Westmeath team (no disrespect they were better than us on the day) then a tame exit to Tyrone, if the last 3 years have meant anything then we must win, no ifs buts or maybes , its victory at all costs, and i do mean all costs, if that means playing 15 behind the ball then so be it. This game is about winning, the performance doesn't count, too many moral victory under mod not enough actual victories. Hon the Royal

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 08/07/2015 14:07:55    1749866

Ziggy

Sadly we've had a lot of tame exists from the championship in recent history, we battled hard going out in 2011 and 2013, but other than that the last 10 or so years make pretty grim reading.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 08/07/2015 14:12:49    1749873

I think Meath are very capable of getting a result here but they have to address these second half lapses. Meath just by 1.

Kiwiq (Kildare) - Posts: 38 - 08/07/2015 14:15:19    1749877

Lockjaw

Ye I don't know what's going on with our fitness but we've been fading out of games for quite a while now, we're letting leads slip far too often, now we don't always pay for it but sometimes we do as was shown this year in the league against Laois and last week against Westmeath.

I don't know if it's fitness, weak mentality or a combination of the 2, but either way Tyrone will exploit it on saturday, hope I'm wrong of course but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 08/07/2015 14:20:50    1749880

hand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 10380

1749866
Just a FYI here and for the avoidance of doubt in the future, should the poster featured below ever slag off or criticise any Ulster county, or any county for that matter, for having a win at all costs attitude and putting 15 men behind the ball whilst referring to it as 'puke', please feel free to remind him of his comments below.

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 7776

1749393 Normally bring at least 5 to matches more often 7 in the espace. That been said only me and two eldest will go to omagh, like it or not the date is not ideal combined with location, herself does not want younger kids to go .
On the match itself we should win, there is no way mods legacy can be first ever defeat to a very average Westmeath team (no disrespect they were better than us on the day) then a tame exit to Tyrone, if the last 3 years have meant anything then we must win, no ifs buts or maybes , its victory at all costs, and i do mean all costs, if that means playing 15 behind the ball then so be it. This game is about winning, the performance doesn't count, too many moral victory under mod not enough actual victories. Hon the Royal

Hand Tyrone::

so just cause royal dunne said that ,you think that's the way will play,wont happen...

the seal (Meath) - Posts: 583 - 08/07/2015 14:38:31    1749891

Fancy Meath to shade it if they are patient and stay on the pitch. Tyrone are finally in transition, but they have the raw talent if they get their tails up, there were a couple of class forwards on that 2013 minor team, where are they

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1068 - 08/07/2015 15:36:50    1749955

Minor team of 2013

Tyrone: Sean Fox, Colm Byrne, Rhys Quinn, Cillian McCann, Shea Hamil, Christopher Morris, Padraig McGirr, Ronan Nugent, Frank Burns, David Mulgrew, Conor McKenna, Ruairi McGlone, Lee Brennan, Daire Gallagher, Stephen McGrath

Conor Mc Kenna is making waves in oz by the looks of it and lee brennan is on the bench at 18 yrs old still. Some were in the under 21 team which won this year. Also cathal mc shane came on as a sub this campaign to great effect. He is injured but in the squad.

Its not all doom and gloom from Tyrone here but certainly thinks aren't great seems a lot of disquiet in the camp. Talent is there but are they playing for the manager?

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 08/07/2015 15:56:11    1749981

Meath to win El Crispico with a last minute goal. Meath 1-13 Tyrone 1-12.

Jimin10 (Meath) - Posts: 783 - 08/07/2015 21:40:46    1750224

redhanddefender
County: Tyrone

Minor team of 2013

Was that Frank Burns not toted as being a future star for Tyrone. Connor Mc Kenna he was a class act that year all right. There was a corner forward too can't remember which one it was though

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1068 - 08/07/2015 21:56:04    1750236

Jimin10
County: Meath
Posts: 464

1750224 Meath to win El Crispico with a last minute goal. Meath 1-13 Tyrone 1-12.
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brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 09/07/2015 08:13:58    1750244

Jimin10 HA HA made my morning. Battle of the spuds

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/07/2015 08:44:42    1750250

I stand completely by that statement, i hate blanket defenses but we have suffered our first ever defeat to wm, this for me is a must win game at any cost, even if we have to dance with the devil and play puke ball. But we wont play like that and then we will get beat, us Westmeath and maybe one or two other counties still play man for man, which been 10 up is stupidity and loosing your star player to a wrong black card, just park the bus, move on and away you go, our management are tactically at sea, one way or another Saturday marks a new dimension in Meath football,
Either we win and mods appointment wasn't a total waste of 3 years, or we get beat and install graham geraghty and Anthony moyles for next year , then and only then will we see how good this Meath team are. I agree we have the better forward line, but can McMahon biggy and Wallace really get by the 3 4 men on them at any one time? Doubtful
I think we have better players than Tyrone but we have also better players than Westmeath, sometimes these games are won on the sideline and in that case Harte wins hands down.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/07/2015 08:59:49    1750260

Frank Burns I would imagine will be in the tyrone squad next year and was probably asked in this year. He played midfield for the under 21s and won the all Ireland. Gone to play for summer in boston and don't blame him after a long year, he will prob be in the senior squad for years to come now.

Corner fwd was lee brennan who is still 18 and drafted into the senior squad, they expect big things

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 09/07/2015 09:09:50    1750265

royaldunne you're Meath's most optimistic supporter!

For the last few years you've been bigging up Meath's chances only for them to go nowhere!
So far this year Meath have muddled along in Div 2, made hard work of beating Wicklow and were embarrassed by your neighbours. And now you think you're going to go up to Omagh and knock Tyrone out? Very hard to see.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9803 - 09/07/2015 11:05:20    1750339

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 7782

1750260
I stand completely by that statement, i hate blanket defenses but we have suffered our first ever defeat to wm, this for me is a must win game at any cost, even if we have to dance with the devil and play puke ball. But we wont play like that and then we will get beat, us Westmeath and maybe one or two other counties still play man for man, which been 10 up is stupidity and loosing your star player to a wrong black card, just park the bus, move on and away you go, our management are tactically at sea, one way or another Saturday marks a new dimension in Meath football,
Either we win and mods appointment wasn't a total waste of 3 years, or we get beat and install graham geraghty and Anthony moyles for next year , then and only then will we see how good this Meath team are. I agree we have the better forward line, but can McMahon biggy and Wallace really get by the 3 4 men on them at any one time? Doubtful
I think we have better players than Tyrone but we have also better players than Westmeath, sometimes these games are won on the sideline and in that case Harte wins hands down.

Definitely have good players in Meath. I think it is a problem with the line. Any team to struggle against Wicklow, and then lose a game after a 15 point turn around has issues on the line.
RE blanket defenses, it is not all bad watching packed defenses. We saw a great game in Munster last week between Cork and Kerry both of whom brought men back in huge numbers. We have moved on a bit from where we were at too. /The notion that playing man for man is somehow taking a moral higher ground over all of us is a bit strange. It is pure suicide to allow your team leak scores and think that you can still win games the old way. It is up to teams to format a counter attacking system that is effective. Anyone who thinks that using tactics from the past and can still win games now is heading for future and regular disappointment.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3849 - 09/07/2015 11:27:50    1750361

Lockjaw let me put it like this, Meath have keoghan best corner back in country by some distance but poor half back, playing as half back, Kevin Reilly great defender but injury ridden, harry Rooney a super prospect in midfield (taken off for ni reason v wm) Gillespie a great midfielder (hasn't played ic football this or last year) graham Reilly (up there with best half forwards in game) e Wallace (fastest ic player in country) McMahon (great eye for goal) bray (still class act if even for 35 mins) Newman (excellent until injury) add to that James mcentee, Andrew tormey, Brian menton , McGill (granted bad game v wm but Meath poty upto that) and you see why this team has the potential to beat ANY team in country, (btw Donegal made hard work of div 2 last year too) Meath have narrowly missed out in promotion two years running, and i and many in Meath don't blame the players, the blame lays elsewhere, you cannot get rid of all experienced players and then blame lack of experience for not fisting over two simple points,
So yeah with players in right position and a little leadership from backroom (Sean boylan has been in training a few times this week) then yes man for man we are better than Tyrone same would apply to Wicklow wm rossies Laois, but these are games we have lost or drew or won making hard work of.
So yes set the team up properly, pace themselves so not to run out of steam at 50mins and get ball into biggy Wallace and McMahon early and we will win, couple that with a tight defensive unit playing players in right position i see nothing other than a Meath victory, but all that depends on one man, has he learned?? On Saturday night we shall know.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/07/2015 11:39:12    1750371

Both teams are fallen giants and have to accept where they stand at the min. A QF for either would be a good year in my view with the hope of building for next year and a provincial win. It will be tyrone who win or lose this game. I know that sounds silly but if Tyrone show up it will be game over for meath even if they are at the races. If both teams show up......tyrone by 2

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 09/07/2015 11:50:29    1750378