So Kerry are up in arms because Donnacha O'Connor has had his red card lifted for what was, technically, a red card offence. But the AOM's antics, while technically not a foul, deserve some form of punishment. The last thing any of us want is for soccer cynicism to creep into Gaelic Games.

So was it fair?

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3152 - 29/08/2008 13:10:12    88429

Under current rules, yes.

I've asked this question a couple of times on this board over the past week, but is there a law that O'Mahony can be punished under for taking a dive? Things like 'ungentlemanly conduct' and 'bringing the game into disrepute' are soccer terms, so I don't know what more could have been done with O'Mahony.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6526 - 29/08/2008 14:15:47    88483

Queensberry rules must apply obviously in the GAA (same as the computer boxing in the Olympics) - a slap obviously does not count as a punch so as in the olympics no points awarded and in the GAA's reasoning no card should have been awarded to O'Connor on Sunday.

Video evidence was used by the CAC & each member had two buttons in front of them (one red & white & the other green and gold) and five had to register a punch landed within a second. As my insider informs me AOM's delayed reaction cost O'Connor being awarded the points for his shlap effort as the judges didn't realise it was such a forceful blow until AOM went down like a sack of spuds and by then the time frame for voting on O'Connor's 'shlap' was over so the referee on the day was technically wrong to register it. Hence the withdrawl of the red voting card points decision made on the day.

The referee too was duly suspended for his part in the vote rigging.

A lot more 'clean punching' to be expected next Sunday.

dingle1 (Clare) - Posts: 805 - 29/08/2008 14:40:58    88519

I believe there is a rule that says 'feigning injury to gain an advantage' is a yellow card offence. If O'Mahony had received this yellow he would have walked as he was already on a yellow. However, if this yellow was issued retrospectively it would have no bearing on the replay and no suspension would be handed out. A lot of people down here feel that O'Connor should be allow play and a few have said this publicly (probably out of embarrassment). The Kerry county chairman has only asked for clarification on the CHC decision.

Tomás Tralee (Kerry) - Posts: 391 - 29/08/2008 14:42:14    88526

Tomas - he also tore strips off media coverage and never once condemned AOMs behaviour. In a sense that's condoning it -not much of an example from the Chairman tbh - should have kept his mouth shut really!

JayoCluxton (Dublin) - Posts: 2688 - 29/08/2008 14:53:43    88543

here is my take- faking injury is a yellow card, but o mahoney was struck (softly ill admit but non the less he was struck) and went to ground ill admit it was play acting, but he was struck in the face, therfore one would be disputing the force of the strike and im sure that would not hold in any appeal or ruling. therefore the red card was 100% correct and he should have served a full month ban, that is unquestionable- the only way o mahoney could in my opinion be done is if he wasnt struck in the face and let on he was but he was struck in the face therfore he did nothing wrong and nothing can be done, nowhere in the rule book can he be punished- if it went to a court of law it would be thrown out he was hit and he went down - noone can tell the force of the strike as technology cant distinguish that, all we know is that he did strike him and deserved the red

ball-boy (Mayo) - Posts: 4211 - 29/08/2008 15:09:27    88559

AOM infringement is "technically" a foul lad. its a yellow card offence

hanky_panky (Tyrone) - Posts: 163 - 29/08/2008 15:14:29    88570

Jayo - His point about the media was that this is the first time they've gone to town on a player for feigning injury eventhough it's been going on for years. I have never heard any county chairman condemn his own player for this behaviour before and I don't expect I ever will.

Tomás Tralee (Kerry) - Posts: 391 - 29/08/2008 15:24:03    88583

its not a fould he was hit and thefore only force can be determined, he cant actually fake anything if he was struck in the face he can only fack something if it didnt happen- make sure none of you ever want to be a solicitor id really fear for he, the entire incident ends as soon as the strike lands on the face- you cant be faking something if it did happen you can be faking the effects but the effects are not the issue at all- can people not get that or am i assuming too much for the level on intelligence of this board

ball-boy (Mayo) - Posts: 4211 - 29/08/2008 15:29:50    88587

AOM was already on a yellow card,so if the ref had given him one on Sunday ,Kerry was down to 13 men.
Nobody in kerry board /management has said AOM was wrong to do what he did, yet they are allowing unfounded rumors as to why Dara Hit Pierce to spread like wildfire down in Kerry. Listening to kerry people talk its all poor dara he is being picked on, sure your man "insert rumour here" .
I have yet to hear them say Dara what was he thinking ,he hit him in front of the ref.
Look at the evidence ,Pierce only stumbled ,was up again inseconds , Dara very nearly got away with it.
I am sure the belt Dara hit Pierce ,pierce certainly felt it.

ver (None) - Posts: 228 - 29/08/2008 15:32:34    88591

Tomas. You are correct. Martin Breheny has summed it up. This is the second time that Cork have got a player off to play against Kerry. Now I have no problem if the GAA come out and give reasons. That is all the Kerry county Board are asking for.Also Tom Kenny will not miss one championship match for the incident with the Kilkenny player.

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 29/08/2008 15:42:56    88601

as all of us have said over time the whole rules and implementation of discipline is a mess, absolutely no consistency. the problem last sunday was o mahoney reaction, it was the talk of the country. it was a very minor slap but according to the rules i believe the ref had no choice. he saw dara o shea strike in front of him and then the cork player slapped a kerry player. if o mahoney had stayed on his feet the cork player probably would have got a match ban, but two wrongs don't make a right

shaneanthony (Sligo) - Posts: 277 - 29/08/2008 15:45:23    88603

Tomás - A fair response. Thanks.

Dingle - I too would expect cleaner punching on Sunday.

And better acting.

Tyrone - I stand corrected. Lad. ;)

So can an additional yellow card be awarded 'posthumously'? If so would a fairer response have been to up-hold the red AND apply a second yellow to AOM; thereby banning both players from the forthcoming game?

Ball-boy - you have a perverse sense of logic, or else very poor powers of perception:
He WAS struck in the face.
He also CLEARLY exaggerated the severity of the blow. Thereby 'faking it'. One would wonder how much contact you have had with legal professionals as I am sure they could all tell you of clients who exaggerated personal injuries in the hope of a larger settlement.

As far as the effects not been "the issue at all"; that is patently absurd. How one reacts to a situation, in this AOM's performance on the ground, more often than not dictate the general response to a much greater degree than the cause itself. Would the ref have paid the affair any mind at all had AOM's antic not drawn such attention?

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3152 - 29/08/2008 15:49:43    88605

getting sick of this now, i ahvent commenetd as yet, but peoples ignorance really gets to me.

Not that i take google as gospel, but just googled the definition of strike, the first one i got read "deliver a sharp blow, as with the hand, fist, or weapon;"

Now come on for gods sake, dont try and say that was a sharp blow.

The rule book should read "a sharp blow" or even "strike with the intent to hurt", come on now a bit of common sense, he barely touched omahony, if i was in a fight and soemone done that to strike me id laugh at them, wise yerselves up.

People say rules are rules, Lets not forget why rules are there, and to punish men for that sort of thing is not it.

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 29/08/2008 15:50:20    88608

Ver - Do you want the Kerry board or management to put gags on everyone in the county. It's just talk. Some people know what happened, more think they know what happened and most don't have a clue what happened.

Tomás Tralee (Kerry) - Posts: 391 - 29/08/2008 15:54:30    88612

"So can an additional yellow card be awarded 'posthumously'?"

Festinog - He didn't get hit that hard, maybe a mass card would be more appropriate in that situation. To answer your question. If Mahony had received a further yellow from the CHC he wowld be free to play the replay as two yellows don't warrant a suspension.

Tomás Tralee (Kerry) - Posts: 391 - 29/08/2008 16:08:15    88622

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88601 Tomas. You are correct. Martin Breheny has summed it up. This is the second time that Cork have got a player off to play against Kerry. Now I have no problem if the GAA come out and give reasons. That is all the Kerry county Board are asking for.Also Tom Kenny will not miss one championship match for the incident with the Kilkenny player.
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hurling isnt your sport down in kerry ,so i let you off with this one, but for your information ,Tom Kenny will miss the start of next years championship, for his supension.
so there is no favouritism

ver (None) - Posts: 228 - 29/08/2008 16:09:51    88625

I assume that every single person on here has played football or hurling at some point. Picture this scenario........

You're playing for your club in the county semi-final against the neghbouring parish. You're a point ahead, with only a few minutes left. Your opponents full forward is the best player in the county, but all game your full-back has kept him quiet.
The ball drops into the square and is claimed by the full back, he is foulded and a free out is given. Your fullback gives some lip to the full forward and the referee steps in between them. With the referee between them, and as he does, your full back reaches over the referee's shoulder and delivers a little slap to the full forward.

1. What do you expect the referee will do? Be honest and try not to let this past week influence your answer.

2. Ignoring your answer to the first question, assume the referee books the full back, and allows play to resume with a free out. You hang on to win by a point. What would you expect your manager your manager to say to the full back about the incident after the game? Would he tell him he was lucky? Or would he read him the riot act for being so stupid as to nearly cost the team a place in the county final?

black&white (Sligo) - Posts: 1628 - 29/08/2008 16:11:44    88627

ball-boy County: Mayo Posts: 3727 88587 its not a fould he was hit and thefore only force can be determined, he cant actually fake anything if he was struck in the face he can only fack something if it didnt happen- make sure none of you ever want to be a solicitor id really fear for he, the entire incident ends as soon as the strike lands on the face- you cant be faking something if it did happen you can be faking the effects but the effects are not the issue at all- can people not get that or am i assuming too much for the level on intelligence of this board I think you are assuming far too much. The sheer stupidity of people in general never ceases to amaze me. Your better off not wasting your time arguing with these people. Festinog - you need to learn to basic logic. My mind honestly boggled reading your last post. I didnt realise people like you could work a computer.

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 29/08/2008 16:16:46    88633

Ver - as far as I am reading in Irish Times today Kenny will not miss a game

JayoCluxton (Dublin) - Posts: 2688 - 29/08/2008 16:20:21    88641