I agree with Hill. I'm also tired of the organisation being led by the nose by Mr. Brolly. The man is very calculated as you would expect from a barrister. Maybe the points regarding other sports don't all stack up but I can't think of any other sport where a pundit has been so much lattitude and airtime to re-shape the sport on his whims. Anyone who thinks his attack on Sean Cavanagh as an example was a spontaneous outburst with no agenda in relation to the FRC recommendations going to Congress is beyond niave. Now that he has put this change as his pet project we can expect to hear a summer of whining in relation to short kickouts.

That nobody on RTE's live football coverage will actually engage in the job they are hired to do which is analyse the strengths, weaknesses and performances of the teams taking the field and actually playing the game on the day will once again aparently be okay for the license-paying GAA supporter. Apparently we spend that money to listen to delude themselves pulically and wistfully engaging in an imaginary nostalgia of some golden age in the past when football was much being played properly. That no-one can actually agree exactly when this was is also apparently not important. Neither is the fact that scoring rates are now higher than ever. Joe Brolly will tell us what to do and everything will be okay.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 10/05/2015 21:18:38    1722258

S golderick...... you ve listed about 14 worries why this idea is nonsense...totally impractical. ....its like comparing basketball and netball.....kick out.....catch the all (if lucky)....everyone piles into middle third.....try again... I think a change to tackling by more than 1 playr is more important

conair0 (Antrim) - Posts: 45 - 10/05/2015 21:39:54    1722273

S golderick...... you ve listed about 14 worries why this idea is nonsense...totally impractical. ....its like comparing basketball and netball.....kick out.....catch the all (if lucky)....everyone piles into middle third.....try again... I think a change to tackling by more than 1 playr is more important

conair0 (Antrim) - Posts: 45 - 10/05/2015 21:57:21    1722286

A lot of peoples problem with this change would be weather the kick crosses the 45. That doesn't really matter. The main benefit would be ensuring players return to their positions (or close enough) for the kick out.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1479 - 11/05/2015 08:33:22    1722292

The main problem that I see is that not all club goalkeepers can get the ball beyone the 45. I suppose you could get an outfield player to take the kick outs in that case. Also it could not not be impemented at underage level as there is no way they could get the ball beyone e 45. Can the GAA introduce rules specifically for county level?

JimTheLegend (Donegal) - Posts: 247 - 11/05/2015 08:40:30    1722295

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz who is gonna save football from Joe Brolly, what a dose fuelling widespread hysteria! football doesn't need saved

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 11/05/2015 08:53:12    1722297

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A lot of peoples problem with this change would be weather the kick crosses the 45. That doesn't really matter. The main benefit would be ensuring players return to their positions (or close enough) for the kick out.

And how long that would take to get all players back in position.

It could really a slow down the game.

It seems like a rule tailor-made for time wasting.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13830 - 11/05/2015 09:28:23    1722301

The sad thing is "redhanddefender" it does need saving. I would be like an increasing number of gaels turning off or watching fewer games of championship football over the last number of years. I have don't have strong feelings towards Brolly good or bad but I did read his porposal with interest yesterday. At the least it's worth discussing. Alot of people on here seem to be attacking Brolly and not his proposal. The prospectus of getting 6 forwards in position for each kick out is very temping in getting back to a faster more positive approach to the game and if the right attitude was there it would be easy to police (it won't matter if guys are stealing a year or two.... but thats a big if. Will be interested to see any reaction form any present inter county manager

dingo1 (Limerick) - Posts: 281 - 11/05/2015 09:36:53    1722305

10/05/2015 20:04:28 hill16no1man
seriously another thread on a media craze against gelic football like its the only sport in the world that has teams playing defensivly every soccer game you see they will bring 10 and sometimes 11 men back to defend in their own half you dont hear any newspaper or analyst or posters whinge that its too negative. cynical rugby tackles happen in that game all the time but dont get a fraction of the negative reactions to the likes of sean cavanaghs tackle did you had an absolute dire game of rugby involving leinster against micky mousers last night which ended 10v0 and theres no people going on twitter decrying he state of rugby
that the game is dead rules need changing structures of the guinness pro12 need to be examined
what do some on here actually like about the gaa? that makes you spend your time watching itas all I see s people complaining most of the time Don't be so arrogant by calling teams not at the top mickey mousers. Such an ignorant arrogant viewpoint. There was plenty criticising Leinster about their performances this season. Rugby has a much better definition of what a tackle to rid a player of possession than gaelic so of course reactions to certain tackles will be different. There is loads criticising on twitter Leinster and their coaching staff and their players for their performance that led to the game finishing like it did. The laws were not the reason the Leinster game was bad. Leinster and their opponents were but it is the case the rules are part of the issue in gaelic
10/05/2015 20:50:55 hill16no1man
legend im talking about modern soccer its played exactly that way and nobody whinges. cynical rugby tackles happen in that game all the time but dont get a fraction of the negative reactions to the likes of sean cavanaghs tackle did.
how is a yellow card in soccer appropriate when every man woman and child on here said a yellow card in football wasnt appropriate for the same foul. sure players like gooch,mccafrey and shane walsh can sort gaa out with their flare but do they tell us that in the same rags. rugby couldnt get anywhere near filling the european final yet we get 30 odd thousand into a league final in croker that gets no promotion at all and people want the competitions changed completly because of this. so you basically want midifelders to have to go back to being over 6ft tall and want to dicrimiante against any other player who is good enough and fit enough to play their on ability. not having a bad weekend at all and the championship doesnt kick off ever!!!! it aint soccer its a throw in we use
or do you want thst to be brought in aswell ?????? plus the championship started last weekend in new York maybe a bit of time spent watching games over looking for change for some would be more informative me thinks. that's the fault of gaelic supporters etc that Gaelic gets the coverage it gets. No need to bring in rugby/soccer as gaelic media/supporters have such high expectations. Rugby and the attendance of the European final has been explained to you and discussing it further is off topic.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/05/2015 09:42:32    1722307

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The sad thing is "redhanddefender" it does need saving. I would be like an increasing number of gaels turning off or watching fewer games of championship football over the last number of years

Is there any evidence of that?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13830 - 11/05/2015 09:44:20    1722309

I never understand people who compare GAA tactics to that of Soccer, chalk and cheese when you look at it. Soccer isnt a 'man for man' sport like GAA.

On Joe's proposal, for this tom work you would also need to introduce the stop watch and hooter i would think, again this would further alienate the county game from that of the county game.

On another note, the thing that really p*sses me off in football now is all these keepers who are all of a sudden great free takers. i would love to see rules applied properly to the time it takes them to take a free, ive seen players get the ball hopped for taking too long over a free or sideline, but when a keeper takes 2 mins to jog up the pitch set the ball up and take a free it seems fair game? Would love to see something introduced where free takers must be declared and must be an outfield player.

the_watcher (Antrim) - Posts: 128 - 11/05/2015 09:45:06    1722311

I like the idea.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6483 - 11/05/2015 09:50:14    1722315

Taken at face value, it's not the worst idea I've heard. However I'd agree with MesAmis that it's a model for time wasting, having to get players back in position. Introduction of the mark for kick outs only, and they have to cross the 45 would be more workable.

moylagh (Meath) - Posts: 486 - 11/05/2015 09:59:25    1722322

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On another note, the thing that really p*sses me off in football now is all these keepers who are all of a sudden great free takers. i would love to see rules applied properly to the time it takes them to take a free, ive seen players get the ball hopped for taking too long over a free or sideline, but when a keeper takes 2 mins to jog up the pitch set the ball up and take a free it seems fair game? Would love to see something introduced where free takers must be declared and must be an outfield player.

Why the ire at goalies?

There are plenty of outfield players who take just as long over free kicks as most goalies who take them.

Why must you declare your kicker and why must they be outfielders? Why stop at outfielders? It'll take just as long for a corner back to come up the field and kick a free but he's allowed to under your rules whereas a goalie isn't?

What happens of your designated free taker happens to have been tracking a man back into his own full back line and is still there when his services are needed to take a free at the other end? Does the ref have to make a ruling that he's suddenly ineligible to take the free coz he's too far away?

Whatever about putting a shot clock up, you cannot ban any player from taking a free imo.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13830 - 11/05/2015 09:59:46    1722323

MisAmis- Larry's Tompkins recent article about peopel turning off gaelic football in his pub to watch other sports really sums it up for me. This is happening up and down the country.
On the issue of people using this rule change to slow down the play.... firstly, it can't slow it down any more than a team using a short kick out and 20 side way hand passes to get out of there own 45 and secondly it will be obvious when teams are abusing it so just have the right penalties in place.

dingo1 (Limerick) - Posts: 281 - 11/05/2015 10:49:03    1722344

I never understand people who compare GAA tactics to that of Soccer, chalk and cheese when you look at it. Soccer isnt a 'man for man' sport like GAA.

spot on!!!!!


I like the idea. Why not give it a year? Beauty of our sport is that it is open to change.......although a lot of older members are not

DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 11/05/2015 11:06:44    1722351

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MisAmis- Larry's Tompkins recent article about peopel turning off gaelic football in his pub to watch other sports really sums it up for me. This is happening up and down the country.

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I would love to be in Larry Tomkins's pub when the people there turn over to watch other sports.
What are they turning over to watch?
Soccer? where they might play for 90 mins and not score at all, where players roll around on the ground howling every time they re touched by an opponent.
Rugby? watching two packs of bullocks charging into each other, where a scrum may have to be re-set 4-5 times, where players are suffering concussion in almost every big game and which has become so negative the ERC final only half-filled Twickenham,
Cricket? Is there an appreciation society in Cork for the finer arts of spin bowling and shouts of LBW ringing around Larry's pub.

Maybe its golf, basketball, wrestling, clay pigeon shooting or something else I have overlooked.

Careful what you wish for Larry.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 11/05/2015 11:15:06    1722356

Why the ire at goalies?

There are plenty of outfield players who take just as long over free kicks as most goalies who take them.

Why must you declare your kicker and why must they be outfielders? Why stop at outfielders? It'll take just as long for a corner back to come up the field and kick a free but he's allowed to under your rules whereas a goalie isn't?

What happens of your designated free taker happens to have been tracking a man back into his own full back line and is still there when his services are needed to take a free at the other end? Does the ref have to make a ruling that he's suddenly ineligible to take the free coz he's too far away?

Whatever about putting a shot clock up, you cannot ban any player from taking a free imo.

but look how long it takes for keepers to hit frees, my argument being you see balls hopped for players taking too long over frees around the midfield etc but when it takes an age for keepers to come up and hit a free it seems to be fair game? Another point, when did keepers become such great free takers? Cluxton yes il give you that, he can ping a dead ball, but i look at Niall Morgan for example, i remember coming up to hit a free, Tyrone were a point behind at this stage with a few minutes to go he came up wasted tyrones own time missed the free. Now having seen Tyrone games a lot, admittedly mostly on TV, but Sean Cavanagh is one of the best free takers about, he would have put that free over 99/100 that is my main gripe. Also usually one or two of the forwards are free takers for their clubs, does the distance get longer when they step up to county level?

the_watcher (Antrim) - Posts: 128 - 11/05/2015 11:36:42    1722364

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On the issue of people using this rule change to slow down the play.... firstly, it can't slow it down any more than a team using a short kick out and 20 side way hand passes to get out of there own 45 and secondly it will be obvious when teams are abusing it so just have the right penalties in place.

Well in one instance the ball is in play, available for any team that wants to push up and win it back high up the field, in the other the ball is out of play until a team defending a one/two point lead plays down the clock strolling back into position, maybe 7 men dropping into defence, 2 guys then look at other, discuss who will cross into the attacking 45 and one canters up the field killing more time, then the goalie starts to survey his options, delaying further before taking the kick.....I know if I was chasing a game which I would prefer. Totally impracticable and unworkable

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 11/05/2015 11:49:07    1722373

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MisAmis- Larry's Tompkins recent article about peopel turning off gaelic football in his pub to watch other sports really sums it up for me. This is happening up and down the country.

So because Larry Tompkins' clients do it proves that it is happening up and down the country? How?

Where is the evidence to back up these claims?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13830 - 11/05/2015 11:56:00    1722378