http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=236938






Thought?

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 10/05/2015 17:13:42    1722089

There is merit in kick-outs having to go beyond the 45m line. There is also merit in the suggestion from other sources like the football review committee on bringing in a mark. Two simple decisions, easy for supporters to follow. I wouldn't necessarily go down the road of policing the number of players between the 45s for each kickout.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8973 - 10/05/2015 17:20:13    1722096

Who is going to police whether anyone breaks the 45 on either side?

You might be able to do it in Croke Park but at a club game?

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 10/05/2015 17:24:35    1722100

The best thing brolly has said in years.

Policing it wouldn't be easy but think of the current throw in. . .players start outside the 45 and even tho they always encroach they don't make it into the centre in time.

Only 1 problem. . .does this stop the quick kickout if the opposition keep 3 players on the halfway line until their teammates are ready. .?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5277 - 10/05/2015 17:32:37    1722102

Would make it very easy to slow the game down.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13830 - 10/05/2015 17:43:14    1722107

The reaction on Twitter from people tells you how much they want change and there nearly all from North of this island who are agreeing with Joe. Check it out he's retweeting everyone who agrees with his idea and as I said majority from the North.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 10/05/2015 17:48:28    1722110

I do like the 6-2-6 idea - it would not be too difficult to spot more than 3 on either the full or half back lines. Implement immediately.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3309 - 10/05/2015 17:54:33    1722114

Good idea and should be trialled at least. Real problem with current football is the time between games. The teams that play defensively have to work really hard and cannot play that way successfully. That is why they don't do well in the back door. Shorten the gaps between matches to weekly and teams will have to go back to kicking the ball and therefore leaving players up front.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1479 - 10/05/2015 19:07:40    1722150

He might actually have something here.Even if it pains me to say so lol.Still think theres merit in the "Mark" also.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/05/2015 19:11:28    1722152

The mark would slow the game down further.

The idea of a kickout beyond the 45 is a good one.

The idea of 6 2 6 is also interesting, but not likely to be implemented. It would be worth a try during next years obyrne cup and the mckenna cup etc.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3852 - 10/05/2015 19:23:16    1722171

10/05/2015 19:23:16
Donegalman
County: All
The mark would slow the game down further. - Debatable. Fielding is a part of the game people like to see. I would wait until an idea like beyond the 45 goes first.

The idea of a kickout beyond the 45 is a good one. - Fully agreed on that.

The idea of 6 2 6 is also interesting, but not likely to be implemented. It would be worth a try during next years obyrne cup and the mckenna cup etc. - It's easy to police at throw-in. During the game, it'll slow down quick kick-outs. We need the game moving fast.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8973 - 10/05/2015 19:55:52    1722196

seriously another thread on a media craze against gelic football like its the only sport in the world
that has teams playing defensivly
every soccer game you see they will bring 10 and sometimes 11 men back to defend in their own half
you dont hear any newspaper or analyst or posters whinge that its too negative
cynical rugby tackles happen in that game all the time
but dont get a fraction of the negative reactions to the likes of sean cavanaghs tackle did
you had an absolute dire game of rugby involving leinster against micky mousers last night
which ended 10v0 and theres no people going on twitter decrying he state of rugby
that the game is dead
rules need changing
structures of the guinness pro12 need to be examined
what do some on here actually like about the gaa? that makes you spend your time watching it
as all I see s people complaining most of the time

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/05/2015 20:04:28    1722204

agree hill why do people watch it?..its amazing how anybody goes to gaa matches when you listen to some people oh here who only seem interested in moaning..thankfully they are in the minority

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 10/05/2015 20:11:04    1722210

exactly fabio like when you see this happening in soccer this weekend and gets very little netive press or reaction

Chesterfield defender Ian Evatt has accused Preston fans of punching, kicking and spitting on him during the pitch invasion which followed North End's Sky Bet League One play-off semi-final victory at Deepdale.
Chesterfield also confirmed that Evatt had provided Lancashire Police with a statement following the game, while Preston had no comment.

Speaking to BBC Radio 5Live later in the afternoon, Evatt insisted more needs to be done to prevent pitch invasions for players' own safety.

"It's well reported I'm an ex-Blackpool player," he noted.

"After the final whistle the Preston fans invaded the pitch. I was gathered around by a couple of hundred fans at least, shouting abuse, spitting, I got hit and kicked a couple of times.

"(It was) more than pushing and shoving. I've reported it to the police, and Sky Sports have given the police the footage of the two guys who threw the punches.

"To be honest, it's so disappointing. How long will this go on for until there's a real serious incident? It's too easy for fans nowadays to invade football pitches. Something needs to be done about it. The more it goes on, the more likely there will be a serious offence and a serious injury to a player."

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/05/2015 20:20:27    1722215

Agreed hill, leave well enough alone.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 10/05/2015 20:33:45    1722221

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
seriously another thread on a media craze against gelic football like its the only sport in the world
that has teams playing defensivly
- there has been a debate in rugby.
every soccer game you see they will bring 10 and sometimes 11 men back to defend in their own half
you dont hear any newspaper or analyst or posters whinge that its too negative
- that's fair enough. They brought in the back pass and not much else scope.
cynical rugby tackles happen in that game all the time
- probably an issue they should deal with. Nigels Owens was talking recently even about the social responsibility for a sport with such a global appeal. That sport should set a better example with refs being as authorative as on the rugby field.
but dont get a fraction of the negative reactions to the likes of sean cavanaghs tackle did
- well I suppose there has been a professional foul in soccer. A punishment appropriate for the foul committed.
you had an absolute dire game of rugby involving leinster against micky mousers last night
which ended 10v0 and theres no people going on twitter decrying he state of rugby
- they are busy decrying the state of Leinster. Sexton will sort it all!
that the game is dead
- some of the conversations before the final 6 nations weekend suggested rugby was!
rules need changing
- before the final 6 nations weekend again.
structures of the guinness pro12 need to be examined
- that discussion has been had. They actually have made decent changes and the discussion is over. The Pro 12 is a more competitive competition for the change.
what do some on here actually like about the gaa? that makes you spend your time watching it
- I like it alright. There are certain areas that could be addressed. Simple changes can be brought in to address an imbalance in the championship. Fielding is an art of the game I admired. When that art is falling away, if possibly a small change e.g. kicking out beyond the 45m can help restore that fine art, I'm all for discussing it.
as all I see s people complaining most of the time
- you seem to be having a bad weekend. The championship kicks off next weekend.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8973 - 10/05/2015 20:37:56    1722228

like rewind to 2010 and look at the reaction louth supporters coming on the pitch got
national headlines wall to wall negative coverage
yet we get wall to wall postivive coverage from english soccer but you wont see much of a fuss made about this

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/05/2015 20:40:30    1722229

legend

im talking about modern soccer its played exactly that way and nobody whinges.
cynical rugby tackles happen in that game all the time
but dont get a fraction of the negative reactions to the likes of sean cavanaghs tackle did.
how is a yellow card in soccer appropriate when every man woman and child on here said a yellow card in football
wasnt appropriate for the same foul.
sure players like gooch,mccafrey and shane walsh can sort gaa out with their flare but do they tell us that in the same rags.
rugby couldnt get anywhere near filling the european final
yet we get 30 odd thousand into a league final in croker that gets no promotion at all and people want the competitions
changed completly because of this.
so you basically want midifelders to have to go back to being over 6ft tall
and want to dicrimiante against any other player who is good enough and fit enough to play their on ability.
not having a bad weekend at all and the championship doesnt kick off ever!!!!
it aint soccer its a throw in we use
or do you want thst to be brought in aswell ??????
plus the championship started last weekend in new york
maybe a bit of time spent watching games over looking for change for some would be more informative me thinks.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/05/2015 20:50:55    1722234

Good post hill.I have refused to ever condemn the state of football at present.Teams playing defensively has never bothered me.Trends come and go.Im really looking forward to Donegal v Tyrone.Its going to be tough,tight and tactical.I wouldnt be in favour of Brollys new suggestion.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/05/2015 21:14:54    1722254

it would be good to see this plan in actiion to see how it works out in practice. the one worry I would have is that teams could use it to deliberately slow down the game. would you have to put a limit on the time players had to get their team in position for every kickout. If one on your midfielders was sent off would you have to definitely move someone out of defence or forwards to midfield. what happens on a windy day if the kickout doesn't reach the 45. has it got to be re-taken. how many chances do you get to retake it . what happens then. could keepers use this as another delaying tactic in the final moments of a game. do you just get one chance to kick it out and then what.. a free in ?, a hop ball ?. is this rule only for county senior football, is it for only senior grade, would it apply to under-12, under-14 etc, would it apply to womans football. when can the defenders start moving out of their 45s, at the moment the ball is kicked ?

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5522 - 10/05/2015 21:15:02    1722255