I was at a junior game in Mayo today and one team received four black cards. They only had two subs on the bench, when ref wasn't watching one player went into dugout changed the number of his jersey and came back on to field of play. This rule is an abomination, and totally unworkable when it comes to the majority of club games when only one official is in attendance. Time to get rid of this crazy rule now.

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 19/04/2015 21:15:13    1715572

It was a panic move by the GAA who caved into pressure from the Dublin media and is now proving to be the disaster many of us predicted. It is open to individual interpretation by officials who are just as human and open to pressure as the rest of us and is not fair on them. Consequently you won't get a Dublin player in Croke Park getting a black card or a Kerry player in Tralee getting one because officials will feel intimidated not to rock the boat and ruin 'the occasion'.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9818 - 19/04/2015 21:54:54    1715588

Dry your eyes Ulsterman.

The outcry after Monaghan were denied a goal chance from Seán Cavanagh's tackles are what brought this in.

I was against the black card but willing to give it time and see how it panned out. To be honest I'm not sure about it. It seems kinda pointless at the end of it all.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13802 - 20/04/2015 08:15:39    1715593

Get rid please.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2575 - 20/04/2015 08:27:40    1715599

Whatever purpose it was introduced for, it has failed, time to get rid of.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 20/04/2015 08:39:30    1715603

keep, the cynical fouling will never stop if players are not sent to the line. Refs will get it wrong but you can say that about any decision they make.

switec (Kildare) - Posts: 525 - 20/04/2015 08:49:29    1715607

Ulsterman

It was a panic move by the GAA who caved into pressure from the Dublin media and is now proving to be the disaster many of us predicted.


I assume by "Dublin media" you mean Derry's Joe BrollY?
Or does that not fit into the perpetual-victim conspiracy theories?

black&white (Sligo) - Posts: 1628 - 20/04/2015 08:52:48    1715609

The black card is a complete and utter farce, most refs dont enforce it, black card fouls become yellow, it hasnt cut out cynical play. It has favoured the big teams who still commit the fouls safe in the knowledge that they wont be down a player.

I train and manage my local minor team, a player of mine was constantly been pulled back by his marker, ye know the little tug on the jersey when a man is getting away from ye. After the 3rd time i questioned the ref during a break in play for an injury. He told me technically its not a black card unless the man goes to ground, so basically unless he dives it wasnt a black card!! And this is meant to cut out cynical play!!

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1508 - 20/04/2015 08:59:36    1715610

Cynical play still needs to be punished so the Black Card should be replaced with the Sin bin. But intercounty managers didn't like that because their cynical tactics actually got punished.

Black card suits teams with big squads and doesn't stop the dragging back of players in the last 10 mins.

10 min sin bin for same offences with suspension from next match would fairly sort it out.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1400 - 20/04/2015 09:20:26    1715617

Dry your eyes Ulsterman.

The outcry after Monaghan were denied a goal chance from Seán Cavanagh's tackles are what brought this in.

I was against the black card but willing to give it time and see how it panned out. To be honest I'm not sure about it. It seems kinda pointless at the end of it all.

Mes - that's not the point, in theory the Black Card is a great idea however it will never be implemented properly because the refs never use it right. Its a joke at this stage. Sean Cavanagh would still have done that tackle whether or not there was a black card.

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 20/04/2015 09:26:30    1715618

Joe Brolly is a Dub now Ulsterman and Jarlath Burns a Kerry man , good to see your investigatives instincts are still there Ulsterman, Although i think you have a point about the black card , it would be a total disgrace if a Dubplayer got a black card in their home pitch, in front of a packed Hill.
Just wouldnt be right ;)

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 20/04/2015 09:36:01    1715624

TheRightStuff
County: Donegal
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Mes - that's not the point, in theory the Black Card is a great idea however it will never be implemented properly because the refs never use it right. Its a joke at this stage. Sean Cavanagh would still have done that tackle whether or not there was a black card.

I know that and agree with you but it was brought in on the back of the furore over the Cavanagh tackles.

The Cavanagh tackle could have happened at any time during Gaelic Football's history and will happen again, no matter what rules are brought in.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13802 - 20/04/2015 09:50:13    1715631

Re Sean Cavanagh, there should be a rule brought in about goal scoring opportunities, and that should have bee a red card. And he would still have done it there too, but at least his team would be down to 14.

Re the black card in junior football, the problem there was the ref didn't see the same guy coming back on. The reality is it is now a squad game. You need 18-19 guys not 15. People need to come around to that way of thinking. Funny these junior teams can always manage the 15 players? i.e. the guys who know they will start.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 20/04/2015 09:58:04    1715637

The black card was already set to be introduced before the Monaghan - Tyrone game in 2013.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 938 - 20/04/2015 10:08:47    1715644

The Cavanagh tackle could have happened at any time during Gaelic Football's history and will happen again, no matter what rules are brought in.

Spot on.

The Black card was never going to work from day one as was far too ambiguous - especially when you look at how what you would call the straight forward rules can be interpreted so differently from game to game, ref to ref across every level in all codes on a weekly basis.

They should have brought in a pink card - that would have put the nonsense out of people. Nobody would have wanted to see their name against a pink card in the newspaper report or the club bulletin so would have thought twice about that cynical tackle leading to higher scoring games, less abuse shouted at referees and an increase in hot dog and coke sales.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 20/04/2015 10:31:26    1715654

Ok Mes- sorry I took you up wrong.



There would be 10 Black Cards in every single match it it was implemented properly. Thats how vague it is.

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 20/04/2015 11:11:50    1715677

The problem with the black card rule was that it was diluted so as to become meaningless: the original proposal suggested that players carded for cynical behaviour wouldn't be replaced. This would probably work much better than the present ruling, IMO.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 20/04/2015 11:18:43    1715680

The shoulder into the chest of a man who had given a hand pass and was running forward is now almost a thing of the past thanks mainly to the black card. One of the best goals last year was the Galway midfielder against Kerry, which i believe would have been stopped 40 yards from goal by the Kerry centreback had there been no threat of a blackcard. Going by the opening post here red cards should be got rid of as well in case a junior footballer in Mayo puts on a different jersey and comes back on the field after being sent off. I certainly enjoy playing the game more since the introduction of the black card as players tend to be more disciplined in the games here as nobody wants to be sent to the line after 10 minutes, but wouldn't care about getting a yellow card.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 20/04/2015 12:10:16    1715698

The problem with the black card is it's too hard for refs to implement it consistently, would it not make more sense to introduce match bans based on yellow card accumulation and automatic bans for straight reds.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 20/04/2015 12:37:02    1715710

MesAmis
County: Dublin
Posts: 8481

1715593 Dry your eyes Ulsterman.

The outcry after Monaghan were denied a goal chance from Seán Cavanagh's tackles are what brought this in.

I was against the black card but willing to give it time and see how it panned out. To be honest I'm not sure about it. It seems kinda pointless at the end of it all.
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WRONG - Congress passed the motion for the black card in March 13; Cavanagh's tackle was in August 13 - 5 months later

Black card has eradicated the third man tackle. That is a good thing.

jamesjoyce (Derry) - Posts: 126 - 20/04/2015 14:05:25    1715736