Not sure if they factor in the amount of home games each has had already in the league - Galway 3 at home and 2 away, Waterford 2 at home and 3 away.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 26/03/2015 17:14:38    1706829

Yeah they did. That's why there was no toss of coin for that fixture.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 26/03/2015 17:38:28    1706840

Antrim have lost all 5 league games and their play-off but still have another shot at beating the drop. It's hard to look past them in play-off but that's not the point. They'll be going into the play-off battle hardened from games against tougher opposition. It's an absolute disgrace that a team winning at their level are not automatically promoted for the opportunity of testing themselves against better opposition at a higher standard in the following year. The main point of a league is to do well at your level to move up. If you don't do well, you should drop a level.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8871 - 30/03/2015 14:54:55    1708422

you're dead right. the play off is scrapped from next year on and rightly so.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3675 - 30/03/2015 15:54:51    1708461

Legendzxix- I have every sympathy with Kerry. But you know what, get used to the inequality towards the weaker/developing counties. The League structures are set up to protect the weak, not to assist the developers or improvers. Its not Antrim's fault. They are subject to the structures the same as everyone else.

Clare will not be certainties to go straight back up. Div 1b was very competitive this year.

Glensboy (Antrim) - Posts: 321 - 30/03/2015 17:52:57    1708550

Sorry, "to protect the 'elite'."

Glensboy (Antrim) - Posts: 321 - 30/03/2015 18:01:33    1708556

30/03/2015 15:54:51
Doylerwex
County: Wexford
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you're dead right. the play off is scrapped from next year on and rightly so.

A number of people are saying the relegation-promotion play-offs will be scrapped next year. I've yet to see anything to prove that.

Quarter-finals were brought in in divisions 1A and 1B to give all teams a 6th game. There are teams in divisions 2A and 2B that could also do with an extra game or two ahead of their respective championships. I know counties in 3A and 3B are happy enough at their lot. Best leave them as they are unless there's an appetite for change.

While it might not be ideal, a solution could be that each of the teams in 1A play two teams in 1B at the start of a league campaign. To make the games even: * The top 2 in 1A could play the top 2 in 1B
* The middle 2 in 1A take on the middle 2 in 1B
* The bottom 2 in 1A take on the bottom 2 in 1B.

League placings from the previous year could be used to decide these fixtures for the first two rounds of the league. Rounds 3 to 7 then could be against the 5 opponents in each teams own respective division. A similar format of 7 games could also be used in divisions 2A and 2B, giving these teams two extra games as well.

Division 1A and 1B could revert back to semi-finals between top 3 in 1A and the top team in 1B. 5th in 1A could take on 2nd in 1B in a promotion/relegation play-off.

Division 2A should keep it's final between top 2 with the winner earning automatic promotion to 1B. Division 2B similarly to 2A should keep the final between top 2 with the winner advancing to 2A. There could be merit in teams finishing 5th in divisions 1B, 2A, 2B and 3A taking on the runners-up from the division below in a relegation/promotion play-off. Relegation/promotion play-offs are fine as long as they do not affect the winner of a division.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8871 - 31/03/2015 20:28:54    1709171

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=235186

I still am firmly against it. Win your level, you have to move up a level the following year. The only way to improve is to take on better opponents.

With the play-offs in place, why don't they give 2A winners 2 weeks to prepare? Have the disgraceful play-off on the same weekend as the hurling league semi-finals.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8871 - 09/04/2015 19:44:12    1712553

Who does Fergal McGill think he is fooling? His explanation for Kerry not getting promoted after winning their division is a joke and an insult to the intelligence of the gaelic sport public.

Would Kerry incur any bigger beatings than Antrim or Laois got off Waterford this year. Waterford do not have to play Clare to see are they good enough to play in division 1A. No consistency.
The system is set up to keep the lower teams down despite all the rhetoric about improving the standard in those counties. Money, Money,is also part of the criteria.

Despite the best efforts of a good Waterford man Kevin Ryan Antrim are a mediocre junior team that should be demoted and allow someone else the chance. If Kerry are not good enough they would be relegated next year. If Antrim are good enough they would come back up again. In the mean time the other teams in division 2A can gauge themselves against a 1B team.
Not anti Antrim but fairness should prevail. Shame on you GAA.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3078 - 09/04/2015 20:49:42    1712569

Hurling 2020 Committee 15 Proposals:

- Work with an external consultancy organisation to help to build up hurling within each county
- Establish a full-time Director of Hurling role.
- One defender on the line for penalties. Ball can be placed anywhere outside the 20-metre line but must be struck no closer than 20 metres.
- Only three defenders on the goal line For 20-metre frees, the ball cannot be struck any closer than the 20-metre line.
- Introduction of an advantage rule
- Standardisation of the ball at all levels.
- Set up a Hurling Referees Sub-Committee
- Player sent off for a second yellow card can be replaced
- End all Promotion/Relegation play-offs involving teams in different divisions in the Allianz Hurling Leagues.
- End the Promotion/Relegation playoff involving the bottom team in the Leinster Round-Robin competition and the Christy Ring Cup winners.
- Increase the length of time to play the Christy Ring Cup from five to seven weekends.
- Play the Christy Ring Cup Final as a curtain-raiser to a high-profile All-Ireland Senior Hurling Qualifier
- Reset the terms of reference of the Central Fixtures Oversight Body to ensure the Club Fixtures Schedule is adhered to.
- Increase the number of Maor Camán/Maor Uisce by one for senior inter-county hurling league and championship games
- Allocate squad numbers to each team in the Liam MacCarthy Cup prior to their team's first game

As far as I'm aware, automatic promotion of the Christy Ring winner to the Provincial Qualifier Group was passed at congress. A positive step. The promotion/relegation play-offs have got to be next to be scrapped.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8871 - 09/04/2015 21:17:17    1712582

The positive first, 1A and 1B in current format is far more competitive and the leagues are better for it. Its the over-complication at the end of the season that is ridiculous. How teams finishing top of 1B can compete in league finals is surreal and the relegation stuff is really - someone is not taking the meds.

For 1A it should be two down, 1B two up the rest should be simply one up one down. Kerry should be simply promoted end of.

still don't understand why hurling counties are not graded i.e. a Senior, Inter or Junior county with their own championships win one you get promoted to next grade. It would mean counties like KK and Cork could field say a Junior team etc

But the current finals and relegation play offs are a joke - its a league end of.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 09/04/2015 21:32:45    1712586

09/04/2015 21:32:45
arock
County: Dublin

still don't understand why hurling counties are not graded i.e. a Senior, Inter or Junior county with their own championships win one you get promoted to next grade. It would mean counties like KK and Cork could field say a Junior team etc

You've a point arock in some respects. However the Intermediate Championship is there already. I would ask, why not let the Christ Ring counties enter the Intermediate Championship as well. The more games they get the better. Testing themselves against the likes of Cork and Kilkenny Intermediate teams will surely be a good test for them. It would definitely be of benefit for Kerry to enter the Munster Intermediate championship. Is there some rule in place that prohibits that?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8871 - 09/04/2015 21:53:13    1712592

Having read yesterdays statement from HQ ,Its up to Kerry to play there way into Div 1 , OK , Its up to them to show that they are of that standard again OK , boble sentiments in a sporting context , However the elephant in the room what about the team that's finished last maybe not winning a game out of six matches , they are of the desired standard ? Obviously not , so why does it bother HQ which team potentially finishes last ? Cant swallow HQ statement at all .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 10/04/2015 09:05:19    1712613

Those Comments from McGill are ridiculous. It's shameful the way that the second and third tier hurling counties are treated by hq. These counties are already swimming against the tide trying to keep the game alive within their own communities.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 10/04/2015 10:53:32    1712643

It's farcical that the winners of any division doesn't get promoted as a right. This ridiculous rule must be overturned in the interest of fairness. The weaker counties really get a raw deal on this.

enver (Limerick) - Posts: 128 - 10/04/2015 11:09:06    1712651

However the elephant in the room what about the team that's finished last maybe not winning a game out of six matches , they are of the desired standard ? Obviously not , so why does it bother HQ which team potentially finishes last ? Cant swallow HQ statement at all .

While the jury is still out on the whole set-up in my head I do see the rational behind how they have set up. Yes we didn't win any game and may not be of the desired standard (though bar one or two of our results the games were all close) but surely then if Kerry are of the standard they will beat the team who, in your words, obviously aren't of the standard so what is the problem? If they don't beat us this weekend then the team who isn't at the standard is still more at the standard than the team from 2A.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 10/04/2015 11:19:31    1712656

However the elephant in the room what about the team that's finished last maybe not winning a game out of six matches , they are of the desired standard ? Obviously not , so why does it bother HQ which team potentially finishes last ? Cant swallow HQ statement at all .

While the jury is still out on the whole set-up in my head I do see the rational behind how they have set up. Yes we didn't win any game and may not be of the desired standard (though bar one or two of our results the games were all close) but surely then if Kerry are of the standard they will beat the team who, in your words, obviously aren't of the standard so what is the problem? If they don't beat us this weekend then the team who isn't at the standard is still more at the standard than the team from 2A.


If you check you will see that nowhere did I claim that Kerry were at the standard .
I am questioning the protection given to a team ie Antrim who at the moment aren't there either .
If you beat Kerry you will prove that exposure to playing better teams even helps poor one , the very exposure Kerry are looking for .
I don't blame Antrim who I have huge respect for , but surely you must see that this is spin and protectionism of the highest order and in no way aids Div 2 , It stifles growth and ambition .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 10/04/2015 12:25:18    1712690

If you check you will see that nowhere did I claim that Kerry were at the standard .

I didn't say you did, I said that you said that Antrim weren't of the standard for 1B so I was saying that if Kerry were they would beat the team who you said weren't. I don't know why some people are getting on the back of Antrim on this one (not you personally damo) as they aren't our rules and as Kevin Ryan said we are on a hiding to nothing regardless of how the match tomorrow goes. Win and people will firstly say it was expected and then go back to saying how we should have been down as losers in the league, lose and we get slated. As for me - well, I am not confident in any way with regards to tomorrow and I won't be in the slightest bit surprised if Kerry are in 1B come tomorrow evening.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 10/04/2015 12:52:55    1712704

Damotherclub has got it right. Kerry may not be at the standard of 1B because they are operating in division 2A. However they won division 2A, earned the right to play in 1B, improve to that standard and at least measure themselves by competing with those teams. Antrim has the advantage in this play off of playing at this level. if Kerry played in 1B next year and the roles were reversed it may be different story.
This is not of Antrim's making as they did not make the rules and are on a hiding to nothing no matter what happens. The bottom line is if it was Wexford, Waterford, Laois, Limerick or Offaly lost all their matches and a play off they should be relegated. In fact it might be awake up call for Antrim as proud hurling county to improve.
You can slice or dice this anyway you like offering all sorts of reasons like protecting Kerry but this is not the way that promotion and relegation works in any sport.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3078 - 10/04/2015 14:59:18    1712760

If memory serves, Offaly lost all their games last season in the league, lost the relegation final, and by rights should have went down, but got another bite at the cherry because of the elitism and the fact that they are a historically 'big name' having won a few AI's, even though that's only the last 30 years.
So, people aren't picking on Antrim, per say, they're picking on the unfair system, which reminds me of capitalism these days- the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer

beansycpn (Down) - Posts: 128 - 10/04/2015 15:01:33    1712762