spotted the same thing aswell mayo fielded 7 subs and i think kerry fielded 6, blood subs or not needs to be clarified, plenty of counties were complaining a few years ago when Dublin used to take off players as blood subs give them a 10 min break and then put them back on, they often used 25 or 26 players in a game, blood sub should be assessed by medics and if unable to return within 10 min then the blood sub is changed to a full sub and is counted as a full sub
This rule applies to club as well as county where the term medic would be used fairly loosely. Referees at club level also have enough to be at without having to time how long a lad is gone off for a blood substitution. The solution seems fairly simple to me - if a player is ordered off by a referee to clean up blood a temporary sub can come on. If a player goes off for any additional reason, or the 'medics' are treating him for anything more than a wound, then management have the choice of making a full substitution or playing with 14 while they treat whatever knock he has.
My mindset is to make the rules work for the good of the game. Yours seems to be bend the game to suit your specific interpretation of the rules.
Really.. for the good of the game.? So here's a scenario for you. Mayo are playing Kerry. It is still the first half. Johnny Buckley gets a cut which is pouring blood and the blood has also spilled on to Aiden O' Shea's Jersey. At the time Mayo were about to substitute Aiden as he was limping and not fully fit to take part in the game. The referee orders both Buckley and O'Shea off the field (Buckley to get his cut cleared up and O' Shea to change his Jersey. The Mayo management decide to put on a blood sub for O' Shea. They then keep this blood sub on the field for the rest of the game. Is this making the rules work for the good of the game or is it bending the rules to give your team an advantage. Obviously this is a hypothecial situation but within the current rules it would be allowed and no doubt given your mindset , if you were a manager you would permanently blood-sub O' Shea. All I am saying is that the rule needs tightening so that situations like the above can not occur. It beats me how you can argue against that.
We have often seen lads go off for treatment and come back on, haven't we? So now you are saying they have to be subbed instantly.
I have never said anyone should be subbed instantly. read my posts again. I believe I said they should be either subbed instantly or "not at all" i.e. give it a few minutes. the way it always was. you seem to think that any injury is fair game for a blood-sub. Is 6 subs not enough for you.
Im not sure, possibly. Maybe not in a league game, but say it was an AI final and regan was Michael murphy for donegal. Do you think they would be hauling him off instantly or giving him every opportunity to play on? How is the ref going to decide that in the couple of minutes directly after the incident? The stretcher is precautionary. Once it is properly assessed it could be found that it wasn't needed and the guy is fine - that window in between is where the decision about the type of substitution is made. It is simply not possible to guarantee enough correct decisions in that timeframe to warrant this type of enforcement. That is the bottom line.
Now you are being disengenious. Of course they would put a sub on as soon as they realised how serious the injury was. They wouldn't need to "haul him off" as he would be already on his way to hospital.
by your reasoning if a player does his cruciate and at the same time has a nosebleed he should blood-subbed .
Again, that depends. Do they know it is a cruciate at the time? Generally no. Maybe he is able to walk on it afterwards, like the gooch was. The sensible thing to do there is blood sub him, tidy up the cut, and after that time see how his other bang is doing. From the doctors viewpoint at the time, it might just be a sore bang on the knee. How do you propose refs can see that it is a cruciate injury on the spot? x-ray vision?
Also, if a guy is eligible for a blood injury, then it is up to the team management whether they want to go that route or not. You cant force them to do something else, just like you cant force a team to play man for man. It is their decision.
Master, You have demonstrated by your posts that you are clearly in favour of using the blood-sub rule to facilitate the use of temporary subs instead of official subs in the case of a genuine injury . I am not in favour of this and I think the rule needs tightening to prevent this as management seem hell bent on misusing the rule to suit their team.
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5522 - 06/02/2015 13:30:47
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