Hope cats have 3 changes of underwear for Sunday week
Could be a bigger beating than 2010

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 26/08/2014 20:30:13    1642641

On Tipps side,there are reasons to be optimistic going into the final.Tradition,for a start.It can be overplayed at times,but Tipp have,dont and will never fear Kilkenny.Respect?Yes,no doubt.Most teams are nearly beaten heading out the tunnel,when facing the stripeymen.Not this time.
Tipps fullback line looks good now.Barret is a real find.Terrier like corner back,with a burst of speed.He will be around for many years to come.Micky Cahill will be fighting hard to take Paddy Stapletons corner.Either way Tipp will be strong in the corners.Not so sure about fullback.Barry was good in semi,but this is the ultimate test.I would worry about this.In the halfback line,B Maher and P Maher are 2 of the best hurlers in the game.Bergin is the weaklink,but if Tipp can get on top here,it could go along way to winning.Woodlock and S McGrath,wont be lacking in confidence,after their dismantling of Corks midfield in semi.Richie Hogans influence must be curtailed.Easier said than done.He has the best wrists in the game at present.Break even in midfield,and Tipp are motoring.
Upfront is where Tipp have the ability to win this game.G Ryan needs to up his game 30%.The half forwards cannot allow Kilkenny to lord the skies.Bonner has the ability to break the tackle and create the overlap.When he does this,Tipp will have to be clinical,and score goals.N McGrath needs to have a big game also.Was poor in semi.Needs to up his workrate.There will be no ball won easily v Kilkenny.Lar in my opinion,shouldnt start.He has the potential to score goals obviously but his recent performances have been desperate.This forward unit,if click on the day,have the skill to score goals.I feel they will need 3 minimum.
Tipp are a top side.If they get on ytop of Kilkenny they will be hard to peg back.I just feel,by 5pm,when the dust settles,Kilkenny will just have that little extra bit of street smarts,to carry the day,in the latest installment of this epic rivalry.Hold onto your seats!

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 26/08/2014 20:34:55    1642642

Hey Jon carter
A Galway man will never win 10 anyway
Neither will a Kilkenny man

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 26/08/2014 20:35:34    1642643

I wonder what's the betting on which Tipp forward will score the hat trick this year?
Lar? Seamie? Bubbles? Bonnar
I don't know which one of them to go for

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 26/08/2014 20:38:41    1642646

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Kilkenny don't like playing Tipp. We did deny them 5 in a row so let's hope we deny Cody and sheff a 10th. I said at start of the year kk wud win it so if I change my mind now I'll b slated!!!I have backed against Tipp all year but I must admit quietly confident we can win this.

Kilkenny don't like playing Tipp? Can you run through the head to heads in Championship over the last 10 years for me, did I miss something?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8366 - 26/08/2014 20:43:00    1642650

Yes flaker
You have missed the true fact and statistic which reads tipp 10 wins Kk 7 wins in all ireland final meetings and when tipp win on Sunday week it will be 11 wins to 7 wins
And 2 each out of the last 4 played
That is what you are missing!

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 26/08/2014 20:50:22    1642667

Tipp owe KK a good hiding at this stage and what a good time to give them one. So Tipp by 8.

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 26/08/2014 20:57:02    1642675

Really cant wait for this game. Alot of pundits claimed both sides were finished last year, a new hurling era had begun, well that has been completely demolished 1 year on. If this final is anything like the league games in Thurles and Nowlan Park I wont complain. Tipp need a big game from Seamus Callanan, JJ has stifled him alot in the past. Will he get the same space again and I highly doubt KIlkenny will let Tipp dance around them like Cork. Tipp must not puck balls into the Kilkenny half back line, they were torn apart there in 2011,2012 and last year led by Brian Hogan and Cillian Buckley. Will Micheal Fennelly go on Shane Mc Grath after what happened in 2011? Darren Gleeson will have a big role to play, it will be much more harder to find loose players this time as Kilkenny wont do a Cork. So what of the Cats? I hate people who say Kilkenny are not the team of 2006-2010! Of course their not, in the semi v Limerick, only 5 started from the 2009 Final V Tipp! That game with Limerick will bring them on no doubt. Surely Power will start but be surprised to see Henry in at all, he looked lost in the league final. They will need a more scoring return from their forwards, perhaps Walter Walsh may get the nod. Tipp should try to test their lesser known players like Conor Fogarthy and Joey Holden! Much will lie on the outcome of this game if the two Mahers can be stopped, Kilkenny will target this as Tipp will surely target the pace of Brian Hogan at CHB. I fancy tipp to win this game , their surely due a big win over Kilkenny at this stage. Like 2010, they have built themselves up nicely and I think they will win by 4-5 points, their forwards have looked more threatening than Kilkenny. Mind you, I wouldnt begrude Cody and Sheff their tenth, what a combination they have been since 1999 along with the rest of the team.

222 (UK) - Posts: 846 - 26/08/2014 21:12:59    1642686

Kilkenny have wiped the floor with Tipp since the turn of the millennium in big games,

2002, All Ireland SF, Kilkeny won and 2003 easily.
2003,2009,2013,2014 league finals, Kilkenny won.
2009, 2011 finals, Kilkenny won as well as the 2012 semi and 2013 qualifier.

Tipp have only beaten Kilkenny in the 2008 league semi and 2010 AIF final. Kilkenny also won the 2006 league semi!

Both teams know each other fairly well so neither team will be spooked!

222 (UK) - Posts: 846 - 26/08/2014 21:20:18    1642692

Tipp have better hurlers than Kilkenny. But it will take an even smarter puck out strategy than the Cork match to ensure we win enough possession to challenge Kilkenny at all. They're powerful, smart and very ball hungry. Have been for the last 10 years. Tipp will want to isolate Callinan on Delaney and play handy ball in in front of him. Don't think they'll be given that chance somehow.

In short- It'll take a masterstroke from EO'S but I'm still quietly confident.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 26/08/2014 21:28:48    1642702

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Yes flaker
You have missed the true fact and statistic which reads tipp 10 wins Kk 7 wins in all ireland final meetings and when tipp win on Sunday week it will be 11 wins to 7 wins
And 2 each out of the last 4 played
That is what you are missing!


Silly me I didn't realise we were trawling through the history of the GAA. Here was me thinking that the recent past including these players might be relevant. So if we take the last 10 years which might make more sense, I think you'll find Kilkenny aren't actually afraid of Tipp.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8366 - 26/08/2014 21:32:00    1642706

It will take a masterclass from EOS alright to win this one. I know they have something up the sleeve and have being working on it at training, if it comes off it will bring hurling in a new direction.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 26/08/2014 21:38:44    1642715

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It will take a masterclass from EOS alright to win this one. I know they have something up the sleeve and have being working on it at training, if it comes off it will bring hurling in a new direction.

Not that up his sleeve if it's now on HS! He is a revolutionary coach though

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 26/08/2014 21:43:14    1642721

Think the Limeeick semi win will have done more for Kk.
Cork poor in other semi and not the test Tipp could have done with.
Hope it's a good match but I'll have to go for Kk by 5 or 6 pts.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 26/08/2014 22:02:41    1642742

TheFlaker ,

Head to head has nothing to do with it. Kilkenny and Tipp is a fantastic rivalry and both always bring the best out in each other. A lot of Kilkenny people I work with and are friends with they just dont like playing Tipp. That's where my comment was coming from.A lot of my friends cant even stand the sight of Lar. 09 final he got 4/5 points from play , 3 goals in 2010 , 0 in 2011 , unsure about 2012 cos he was chasing players , last year in Nowlan park before he got injured he was destroying Murphy who went on to have a great game after Lar went off. He was also booed off that day.Lar is not saint but just shows that a lot of hurling KK folk consider Tipp dangerous opposition who they hate losing to.

Fair enough the last couple of games have gone KKs way because they are a super team.
It was Tipperary in 2009 who proved that Kilkenny were beatable even though we lost that All -Ireland but in 2010 when we performed for a full 75 mins that point was proven.
The great team that they are came in 2011 with a lot of criticism on their back after losing badly to Dublin in a league final and won back the AI.

To debate the point on head to head:

Records are there to be broken and take your own county Mayo for example. Only beaten Kerry 4 times ever in over 130 years of football. On Sunday the belief your players showed to win that game with 14 men and turn that around nearly bore fruit.

If Tipp show similar belief they can topple Kilkenny again.

As Thurlesblues mentioned we have a better head to head on Kilkenny in finals something like 10 / 7. Will that mean anything on September 7th ? Absolutely not. Will it matter that KK won the league against Tipp this year / absolutely not.

The best team will win on the day and what makes it more exciting is that neither are the reigning champions.

I have a feeling Tipp can win this the confidence of the back door games has allowed this team to develop and have certainly proved me wrong.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 27/08/2014 09:33:35    1642775

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TheFlaker ,

Head to head has nothing to do with it. Kilkenny and Tipp is a fantastic rivalry and both always bring the best out in each other. A lot of Kilkenny people I work with and are friends with they just dont like playing Tipp. That's where my comment was coming from.A lot of my friends cant even stand the sight of Lar. 09 final he got 4/5 points from play , 3 goals in 2010 , 0 in 2011 , unsure about 2012 cos he was chasing players , last year in Nowlan park before he got injured he was destroying Murphy who went on to have a great game after Lar went off. He was also booed off that day.Lar is not saint but just shows that a lot of hurling KK folk consider Tipp dangerous opposition who they hate losing to.

Fair enough the last couple of games have gone KKs way because they are a super team.
It was Tipperary in 2009 who proved that Kilkenny were beatable even though we lost that All -Ireland but in 2010 when we performed for a full 75 mins that point was proven.
The great team that they are came in 2011 with a lot of criticism on their back after losing badly to Dublin in a league final and won back the AI.

To debate the point on head to head:

Records are there to be broken and take your own county Mayo for example. Only beaten Kerry 4 times ever in over 130 years of football. On Sunday the belief your players showed to win that game with 14 men and turn that around nearly bore fruit.

If Tipp show similar belief they can topple Kilkenny again.

As Thurlesblues mentioned we have a better head to head on Kilkenny in finals something like 10 / 7. Will that mean anything on September 7th ? Absolutely not. Will it matter that KK won the league against Tipp this year / absolutely not.

The best team will win on the day and what makes it more exciting is that neither are the reigning champions.

I have a feeling Tipp can win this the confidence of the back door games has allowed this team to develop and have certainly proved me wrong.



I am not saying Tipp can't win. The post said Kilkenny are afraid of Tipp, which is absolute rubbish. That is the point I responded to.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8366 - 27/08/2014 10:21:58    1642808

I didn't mention they were afraid of Tipp just that they don't like playing Tipp & losing to Tipp. That's the vibe I get from the marble crew I associate with. Apologies if my point came across like that.

Just a general point to make:

I do remember in 2011 most KK people on AI Final day had little or no expectation that they would beat Tipp and yet they ended up winning it handy enough in the end. There was even talk of clubs sending back tickets & people not travelling. Don't know how true that actually turned out to be but remember seeing it somewhere.

Even in Tipp at the moment when I look back to 2009 , 2010 & 2011 there was a lot more expectation in the county that we would beat Kilkenny in those finals. I think this year there is far less expectation as no one really expected Tipp to be in the final after Limerick caught us in Thurles.

I suppose the saying is true " one swallow doesn't make a summer "

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 27/08/2014 10:44:54    1642829

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I didn't mention they were afraid of Tipp just that they don't like playing Tipp & losing to Tipp. That's the vibe I get from the marble crew I associate with. Apologies if my point came across like that.

Just a general point to make:

I do remember in 2011 most KK people on AI Final day had little or no expectation that they would beat Tipp and yet they ended up winning it handy enough in the end. There was even talk of clubs sending back tickets & people not travelling. Don't know how true that actually turned out to be but remember seeing it somewhere.

Even in Tipp at the moment when I look back to 2009 , 2010 & 2011 there was a lot more expectation in the county that we would beat Kilkenny in those finals. I think this year there is far less expectation as no one really expected Tipp to be in the final after Limerick caught us in Thurles.

I suppose the saying is true " one swallow doesn't make a summer "


Sorry don't like you said. I could just say Tipp don't like playing Kilkenny, the last 10 years would agree with me!

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8366 - 27/08/2014 11:11:39    1642845

Hello cuederocket, I genuinely find it hard to call - I'm going for the cats cause as the name suggests I'm a Kilkenny man. I haven't posted anything before, I was surprised not to see a thread on the final already so I just started it off.
On the match itself, I would not be surprised to see Kilkenny win by a big margin but I wouldn't be surprised to see Tipp win by a big margin!
So far this year the Kilkenny forwards have not clicked. Most of our scoring came from TJ and R Hogan. If either of those two boys are kept quiet by Tipp, Kilkenny might find it hard to notch up the scores - like the Cork match last year. On the other side of the coin, if those boys are motoring, Shefflin, Larkin and Power motoring, then I see a big KK win. The backs will perform! The Tipp forwards are going well at the moment and will rack up a decent score - I just hope KK will do the same at the other end!
OK - now that I think of it - its not hard to call - KK by 10 :)

tigerman (Kilkenny) - Posts: 2 - 27/08/2014 11:38:46    1642861

Good stats 222,so since the 2002 all ire semi final,including League finals,Kilkenny have won 10/11 encounters between the two.Thats a 90% success rate over the last 12 years(in the games that matter).That is near total domination.Now to be fair to Tipp i think all the league finals were won by a point or two,or in extra time.All great games.The 09 All Ire final was the greatest game i have ever been at.Again a close call.Kilkenny are the masters at winning tight games.And not so tight games.All of these games are in the past of course,but the smart money would have to be on these funky felines.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 27/08/2014 13:18:44    1642934