I'd like to talk to those Kilkenny lads who said they never got an intense game like dat before!! Was either their first time at a hurling match r they have short memories!!!

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 11/08/2014 19:40:43    1635253

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Flaker are u from a different planet? Where is the anti kilkenny stuff?

Hickey gave one of best displays ever given by a back yesterday n kk poster said he was holding Reid. Another comment was kk couldn't buy a free. Also mention few belts given by limerick players.

Poster who said kk can give n take got it right. Would have no prob with kk and don't think any other lk posters do either


Not this thread man, some of the stuff posted on here about Kilkenny is pathetic. There are some very balanced posters on here but for some guys to try and say Kilkenny got away with a lot is ridiculous, both teams were treated equally, that is my point.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8458 - 11/08/2014 19:44:46    1635255

Anyone who thought the ref favoured Kilkenny yesterday is obviously one of those people who sees what they want to see.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1257 - 11/08/2014 20:58:33    1635302

There are none so blind as those who choose not to see.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 11/08/2014 21:18:05    1635319

The ref did not favour Kilkenny in my view. If he did KK would have been given that penalty and O'Grady would have been sent off for either of those fouls.
Anyway im not getting into that as it dont make a difference now but it's time for 2 refs in hurling. The game has evolved and its a lot quicker now plus you have backs hanging out forwards and vice versa which refs a lot of the time don't see.
I don't believe that linesmen or umpires are equipped to pick up on such incidents either.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 12/08/2014 09:14:18    1635384

I dunno who made remarks about the ref but in my opinion he made it the game it was by letting things go and fair play to him. We were lucky DOG was on the field as long as he was. There were plenty times both teams could have had frees but that would have taken from the whole intensity of the game. It is a mans game after all. Well done KK. But we'll be back.

BigMack (Cork) - Posts: 182 - 12/08/2014 09:28:33    1635390

Look two silly incident cost Limerick. Wayne Mac should have stood Hogan up knowing Richie was out of position, hard to hit a small man with good balance as they bounce off you. Secondly O'Grady's act of indiscipline cost us, no doubt. Limerick were cleaning up all over the park, they had won the battles and continued to after that. I think the winners of Tipperary and Cork will win the All Ireland. I have the height of respect for the guts Kilkenny also showed, it was not all Limerick giving heart and soul. There are five teams on a similar level for me at the moment and a puck of a ball between them all also.

Hoover78 (Limerick) - Posts: 865 - 12/08/2014 09:47:40    1635398

Yes the referee was inconsistent but we should not be suprised. Shefflin could of went and O Grady but two years a tipperary man didn't even get a yellow for nearly ending a mans career. I also saw a few incidents in the minor match where the crime wasn't punished sufficiently.

222 (UK) - Posts: 873 - 12/08/2014 10:40:55    1635428

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1635428 Yes the referee was inconsistent but we should not be suprised. Shefflin could of went and O Grady but two years a tipperary man didn't even get a yellow for nearly ending a mans career. I also saw a few incidents in the minor match where the crime wasn't punished sufficiently.
watch the game again
the player in question pulled on the ball with one hand and Michael Rice was late coming into the pull so he got the full force of the belt
is that the one you are talking about?

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 12/08/2014 11:18:25    1635458

There was far worse in that semi final 222 so lets not go there. That specific incident had its own thread and the only person who knows whether it was intentional or not was the player who did it. In a fast game like hurling things often look as bad but that incident was not nice whether accidental or on purpose. Thank god it didn't turn out to be a career ending injury but I do know the player who got hurt had injured that hand before also and that is why it was made out to be worse first off.

Hurling rules are getting out of control and in my view the sooner a black card comes in like football the better. We all says it a man's game etc but when something happens which goes un-punished there is outcry everywhere. Wasn't there a proposal to remove yellow cards etc from the game.

We either have rules or we have no rules. The black card has worked well in football so why not hurling. Will stamp out all this nonsense. Everyone likes a free flowing game but when lads are getting slapped around the ankles , pulled across while ball in the air , digging Hurley's into the ribs , pulling helmets off each other & dragging by the shirts you cant condone that and say its a man's game.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 12/08/2014 11:41:39    1635475

Totally agree lads but the point I am making is that officials have been poor this last few years in terms of being consistent. The Tipperary player also swung for T.J Reid that they and only got a yellow. A red card was issued in last years Munster final on Pat Horgan and none on Donal O Grady last Sunday on Joey Holden from the same ref.

222 (UK) - Posts: 873 - 12/08/2014 11:58:48    1635489

Again 222 yes that was a wild swing by the same player but a lot went unpunished in that semi final. Pulling & dragging shirts & helmets , throwing hurleys to name but a few.
I read an interview with one of the Tippeary management in the months after that game and a few incidents from Kilkenny players were seen by the linesman and he did nothing.
In one incident a KK player pulled a Tipp player before the ball came down the wing and when he said to the linesman did you see that the linesman said yes I did. When he asked what the he was doing about it the linesman didn't respond.They just don't have to power to intervene or make a decision as the way they see it ref controls the game and if he didnt see it then it goes un-punished.

Less said about that game the better Kilkenny won it fair in square when it came to actual hurling.

I'm not singling out Kilkenny in any way all teams do it in football & hurling but when you hear a member of a management team saying it in an interview that incidents do go un-punished it has to be looked at we can all agree on that.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 12/08/2014 12:53:05    1635536

TJ Reid hit (accidentally, but no more so than Pat Horgan) Richie Mccarthy into the back of the head to give Limerick their first free of the match on our own goal line and no sanction. If he then Tom Condon,JJ Delaney and Donal O Grady were sent off would we have been happier. Its a tough game, it was a fantastic spectacle and devasting to lose. I'd like people's views on Donal O Grady. After the Munster Final a neutral friend suggested to me that he was a negative for the limerick team and I completely disagreed. His view was that he hit bad wides at crucial times with big no hoper efforts and wasnt a composed enough leader on the field. Then after Wexford match, a Limerick friend said he shouldnt be started for semifinal as we proved we didn't need him. Again I disagreed. However after Sunday I'm wondering. Certainly his crazy pull on Holden when we were in front and on top of Kilkenny had a huge impact on the game. I'd like to think he was standing up to Kilkenny after Sheflin started his usual crap, but just curious what Limerick posters think of his contribution at this stage of his career.

Sean Wall (Limerick) - Posts: 141 - 12/08/2014 12:57:35    1635537

Agreed Wild Pundit although if Tipp had unleashed Lar Corbett from the Tommy Walsh plan in the second half Tipp may have done better. Im not suggesting Kilkenny have been angels down through the years, just referring to that game and consistency from officials.One thing that needs to be implmented in the GAA is a video ref both for time and when officials are unsure of who committed the foul like on Sunday.

222 (UK) - Posts: 873 - 12/08/2014 13:13:49    1635555

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I'd like to talk to those Kilkenny lads who said they never got an intense game like dat before!! Was either their first time at a hurling match r they have short memories!!!

That isn't what was said. Clearly said that it was one of the most intense contests they've had in a long time. At least read the post first before you attempt to twist it.

bob_dolphin (Limerick) - Posts: 694 - 12/08/2014 14:05:48    1635598

That's for sure 222 but our management messed up on the day and the players did'nt know if they were to play hurling or hit and drag their man. twas madness!!! We all point fingers at Kilkenny but to me every teams gives and receives just as much punishment. You get the rub of the green or you don't sometimes.

BobDolphin my apologies was reading the post off my Android device so picked up the post wrong as read it too fast for my own good. Anyway nothing meant by and I certainly didn't imply to twist it.

However I would still disagree in a minor way with their assessment many a team has put it up to Kilkenny and they grind out a win.Perhaps albeit not by 2 points and the game is in the melting pot still into injury time. Kilkenny normally kick on if allowed in the final 10-15 mins. As everyone knows Tipp & KK games can be very intense and I wouldnt say 5 years ago is a long time when we were going toe to toe with them.

Anyway their entitled to their opinion based on their own feeling of the game.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 12/08/2014 14:25:56    1635620

The 2009-2011 finals between Tipp and Kilkenny were three of the toughest and physical games I have seen. 2010 especially saw every score earned and worked for. Although Clare and Cork served up a thriller last year, physically it didnt comapare to Kilkenny and Tipp finals where the hits and tackles were savage.

222 (UK) - Posts: 873 - 12/08/2014 15:17:28    1635691

It will be Tipp and Cats again

tiobraidArann (Tipperary) - Posts: 362 - 12/08/2014 20:19:49    1635963

Oh Lord save us!!!!
Give up d beer dere,s a good lad!!

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 12/08/2014 20:52:25    1635988

Disappointed with all the silly comments on here re the Henry Shefflin and GOM handbags,this incident happened right in front of me and it was Gavin that shouldered Henry first which I have no problem with as it happens in every game.I would be disappointed with Henry though if he did'nt respond.

Surprised at normally good posters like D/fan claiming on here that Shefflin gave GOM a dig with his hurl and someone else saying there was a butt as neither of those things happened.Considering the weather conditions it was an unbelievably sporting game from two teams that obviously had huge respect for each other.

Thought S Hickey was very deserving of MOTM. he must have been waiting for a crack at KK since 07, and he couldn't have been more magnanimous in his acceptance interview, he's a credit to his club and county.

Arturo.Gatti (Kilkenny) - Posts: 52 - 12/08/2014 20:55:26    1635991