Sorry ormo. Ive never seen one. thats not to say they dont happen. Im just saying Ive never happened to come across one.
A proper rugby match is one that doesnt involve tags.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 14/02/2015 21:41:48    1693598

Ormond rte have not showed wolfhounds games before and it is utter rubbish to say so. Look at the small crowds the under 20's despite there games been shown for 10 years on a Friday evening in fact the crowd has reduced for the games against Scotland and Italy. Look at the small crowds the women's rugby get and it was even played last night on a club training pitch, i could image the amount of abuse Rte would give the Gaa if a important game had to be played in a clubs training ground. Ormond you love mentioning the twitter campaign some people to get women's rugby on Rte 2 but you ignore that 2fm were already giving it massive coverage and the were showing it on there news now channel. It is rubbish to say people are only interested in there own counties league. Even in the height of the summer bar the weekends the gaa gets very little coverage, while rugby gets 12 months coverage. Look at the coverage a rugby match where Italy gets there bi annual thrashing at Twickers yet the could not even bother giving the scores of the all Ireland club intermediate and junior all Ireland final and show 2 seconds of the all Ireland senior semi final. Why could the not have sent a reporter down to Croke park for those games today. There are far more league of Ireland clubs and some of them get as big of crowds as Connacht and Munster games held in Cork. Five of the last six Rte chat shows had people talking about rugby.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 14/02/2015 21:54:56    1693606

14/02/2015 21:14:36
mediaman
RTE does its best at all times to protect the image of rugby union. Take this morning's Marian Finucane Show as an example. RTE Sports reporter Des Cahill was asked a very pointed question about concussions in rugby union a subject of particular concern for parents. In reply he pointed to the fact that he knew of two players who concussed in a Gaelic football club match last November immediately deflecting attention away from the real issue, concussions in rugby union. Then he was asked about last night's floodlight failure during the women's rugby union international in Ashbourne. In response he again ducked the question by reminding us that it happens in all sports specifically mentioning the recent Tyrone Monaghan NFL match. Why bring the GAA into it? Have you ever heard an RTE reporter after a rugby union match compare it in a positive manner to a brilliant All Ireland Hurling or Football Final. Of course not. RTE only uses these negative comparisons to provide a convenient smokescreen for rugby union's shortcomings. You are so wrong its laughable. Des Cahill is miles from a rugby supporter and again if you think he's misleading the public about certain sports why don't you take him up on the points he made?
RTE doesn't have any smokescreens for rugbys shortcomings
14/02/2015 21:36:59 fabio8
who are these 000s?...stop making things up...if there are 000s then why is the crowd at the games so small?..50 people posting online about womens rugby sounds like some campaign..if your sport is tiny then it shouldnt be shown on the national broadcaster over sports which the majority have a huge interest in...what you said wasnt opinion..you tried to claim rugby was the biggest sport in south africa which it is not...these are facts...you quickly changed your tune when you realised the nonsense you were talking...you tried to portray minority of the country as the majority...countless arguments on this site have shown you to be nothing more than rugby police...you seem to argue for arguments sake half the time as evidenced by trying to claim the 6 nations is as big as the world cup then doing a u-turn on this Im not making things up. What is the definition of a tiny sport? What makes you the expert in determining what should and shouldn't be shown.
If you want to be so personal attacking me. Do it elsewhere. This isn't the place.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/02/2015 21:55:09    1693607

Mediaman you are spot on. Why do Rte need to bring Jackman, O'Gara back from France, O'Shea from England how much are the getting to come back to Ireland.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 14/02/2015 21:59:51    1693609

look at the numbers playing the sport..the attendances..they are tiny comparable to soccer or gaa equivlent...you offered no facts

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 14/02/2015 21:59:57    1693610

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1693609
Mediaman you are spot on. Why do Rte need to bring Jackman, O'Gara back from France, O'Shea from England how much are the getting to come back to Ireland.

because it goes with the ridiculous irish mentality of the preseent day
that your only any good at something if you make it outside ireland

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/02/2015 09:17:06    1693615

Nthing wrong with showing the 1 wolfhounds game a year and as it is so linked to 6Ns nothing wrong with showing it.

there might be nothing worng if they didnt already overload on rugby as it is
wolfhounds doesnt deserve to be ahead of the national boxing championships
the dublin city marathon and the fairyhouse winter festival.
well by that way of thinking rte should have been showing the o byrne cup final too
as like the wolfhounds it was a week before the national league started
and to further link it dublin and kildare had 25 of the 30 players actually start the following week in their national league openers

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/02/2015 09:22:50    1693616

if anybody doesnt think the gaa is treated poorly in the media just look at this headline
in todays irish independent

Waterford back from the brink with win over Limerick
Limerick 2-16 Waterford 0-22

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/02/2015 09:35:25    1693623

All I can say is RTE need to wake up to what they are missing. Some fantastic GAA matches over the weekend. Two terrific hurling matches yesterday and a great club championship semi won by underdogs Corofin. While today we saw a terrific performance from the Dublin hurlers followed by a great second club championship semi final that had everything you could want from a sporting event yet was played by amateurs in terrible weather conditions. Meanwhile on the national broadcaster yesterday and today we were treated to bore fests played by professional millionaires and lauded by RTE's very own media millionaires. I believe the affair at the RDS was equally dire by all accounts.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 15/02/2015 17:40:47    1693754

Ill second that post Joxer.As much as a try to avoid rugby it pops up everywhere.Countless pages in the papers that i skip past.When it comes up on the radio(that Corcoran lad on RTE is annoying) i switch over,and same on tv.Ive given up on the game.Made a nice few bob off the French yesterday all the same.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 15/02/2015 17:56:04    1693768

It's a disgrace the way the southern media treat the gaa and have a blatant bias towards rugby. The gaa is much more popular In terms of playing numbers, spectators and viewing figures. It's only in an exceptional year like last year that a rugby game will defeat the all Ireland finals at top of the ratings for the year. That's remarkable when you consider the vast majority of the country will be neutrals unlike rugby and it will have be backed by huge media hype.

Anyone who watches rte sports news or views their website would swear rugby was the number one game in the country which it certainly isn't. Tg4 shows both pro 12 and national league games in the past few years and it's only in exceptional circumstances that the rugby figures are higher, normally they're much lower. The crowds at an average round of league games are higher than the provinces in the pro 12. Yet rte have no interest in that and will shove rugby down everyone's throats.

Yesterday's Ireland game was defensive poor stuff. But that will be totally ignored. It'll be portrayed as gutsy and exciting. Ireland won the game scoring six penalties. Imagine the outrage if a team won a big Gaa match and over 80 minutes all they managed to score was 6 free kicks. There'd be outrage as to where the game was heading and how defensive it was. The media would be all over it. Yet positive headlines dominated the papers and rte today.

Rte can't even be bothered to send cameras to gaa games for over half the year. It's a total joke. Why they can't they try to show club semis and finals or national league or international rules?. The viewing figures are clearly there they just have no interest. This weekends club semis were a wonderful advertisement for the gaa but again ignored by rte? They have no problem showing club soccer or rugby with lower attendances and crowds.

Other sports should be covered by rte but the gaa should be challenging the balance of it. Why not over a month look at their sports news in the evenings and compare the time spent on each sport. The gaa wouldn't even be on this sell we should start keeping track on here, would be an interesting experiment.

A Another (None) - Posts: 193 - 15/02/2015 21:50:04    1693891

15/02/2015 09:22:50 hill16no1man
there might be nothing worng if they didnt already overload on rugby as it is wolfhounds doesnt deserve to be ahead of the national boxing championships the dublin city marathon and the fairyhouse winter festival. well by that way of thinking rte should have been showing the o byrne cup final too as like the wolfhounds it was a week before the national league started and to further link it dublin and kildare had 25 of the 30 players actually start the following week in their national league openers That some of those mentioned are not covered doesn't mean rugby gets too much coverage and rugby doesn't get too much coverage and RTE are dropping pro12 so will only have the international games next season. How can RTE show O Byrne Cup final if other stations have rights etc? Why don't you contact RTE and ask why tey don't cover more GAA like you want them to
15/02/2015 09:35:25 hill16no1man
if anybody doesnt think the gaa is treated poorly in the media just look at this headline
in todays irish independent
Waterford back from the brink with win over Limerick
Limerick 2-16 Waterford 0-22What is so bad about that headline?
15/02/2015 17:40:47 Joxer
All I can say is RTE need to wake up to what they are missing. Some fantastic GAA matches over the weekend. Two terrific hurling matches yesterday and a great club championship semi won by underdogs Corofin. While today we saw a terrific performance from the Dublin hurlers followed by a great second club championship semi final that had everything you could want from a sporting event yet was played by amateurs in terrible weather conditions. Meanwhile on the national broadcaster yesterday and today we were treated to bore fests played by professional millionaires and lauded by RTE's very own media millionaires. I believe the affair at the RDS was equally dire by all accounts.The paid professional journalists in RTE who clearly know more than me or you on topics like this think otherwise. Were some of these games not televised? In your opinion those games on RTE were borefests. Boredom/excitement doesn't mean a programme should be shown or not in terms of live sport.
15/02/2015 21:50:04 A Another
It's a disgrace the way the southern media treat the gaa and have a blatant bias towards rugby. The gaa is much more popular In terms of playing numbers, spectators and viewing figures. It's only in an exceptional year like last year that a rugby game will defeat the all Ireland finals at top of the ratings for the year. That's remarkable when you consider the vast majority of the country will be neutrals unlike rugby and it will have be backed by huge media hype. Anyone who watches rte sports news or views their website would swear rugby was the number one game in the country which it certainly isn't. Tg4 shows both pro 12 and national league games in the past few years and it's only in exceptional circumstances that the rugby figures are higher, normally they're much lower. The crowds at an average round of league games are higher than the provinces in the pro 12. Yet rte have no interest in that and will shove rugby down everyone's throats.The media act in the interests of their viewing public. Unless you and others unhappy with them contact them to display your unhappiness nothing will change. There has been more "exceptional years" than not in recent times and rugby games have regularly over past few years had bigger audiences than GAA games.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 15/02/2015 22:05:40    1693897

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15/02/2015 09:35:25 hill16no1man
if anybody doesnt think the gaa is treated poorly in the media just look at this headline
in todays irish independent
Waterford back from the brink with win over Limerick
Limerick 2-16 Waterford 0-22What is so bad about that headline?

Maybe try again ormo.

I'll give you a couple of hints.

A goal in hurling is worth 3 points so therefore 2 goals are worth 6 points. What's 16 plus 6? If you get the answer for that you'll maybe see the problem with the headline.

Maths is hard.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 16/02/2015 08:21:49    1693899

Part of the issue is that as a national broadcaster it should follow that things of national interest are given priority. It does appear there is a subversive attempt to portray the egg chasers in a positive light whereas the gaa are treated differently for sure. The media has a responsibility to try and adopt a neutral standpoint which it isn't and this will hold huge sway with people when deciding which game to watch / participate in.

To show the influence of media I look at Welsh broadcasting. I live in Wales and their national sport has blanket coverage, there is a discussion that with the overly negative reporting of rugby stories and the rise of both Swansea and Cardiff city that young folk who would have been brought up in traditional rugby hotbeds are turning towards soccer and the media has a huge role to play in that.

The broadcasters have to realize the influence they hold, perhaps they do and it is an attempt to boost rugby playing numbers, who knows, but the wall to wall negative or ambivalent reporting does nothing to encourage anyone to take up the national sports and if the national broadcaster is favoring other sports because the national team has a modicum of success it should still be able to broadcast the national sports without bias or negativity.

duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 16/02/2015 09:08:01    1693906

The paid professional journalists in RTE who clearly know more than me or you on topics like this think otherwise.


Does not make them competent though. There has been plenty of evidence provided here that have shown that some of them at least are not very competent.



Were some of these games not televised?

Valid question. There were 5 live GAA games this weekend. They were not on RTE. Two of them were pay per view while three of them were free to air. It does not bother me what channel they are on once they are on. The hang up here is about RTE but GAA is well catered for elsewhere.





In your opinion those games on RTE were borefests. Boredom/excitement doesn't mean a programme should be shown or not in terms of live sport.

I agree. You cannot tell beforehand if the game is going to be objectively 'boring' (if that even exists). The Ireland and France game was not a particularly good game in comparison to previous games between the teams (in m y opinion with limited knowledge) but it was nonetheless intriguing/interesting (at least) until the end.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 16/02/2015 09:08:32    1693907

the question is this. Is there enough room for GAA, Football and Rugby and Golf? Just about. I think that Rugby and Soccer are making a huge effort to ingratiate with working class people. We have Guinness and Bank Of Ireland pumping millions into Rugby. And RTE giving blanket coverage of Champions league football. Well Centra is sponsoring GAA so good for them.
Ceapaim nach bhfuil a lan Gaeilge ar an Hoganstand. The GAA needs to stick with the basics, amateurism and the Irish language.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2614 - 16/02/2015 11:58:43    1693970

in fairness the champions league does deserve blanket coverage as the interest is there

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 16/02/2015 15:08:50    1694069

16/02/2015 08:21:49 MesAmis
Maybe try again ormo.
I'll give you a couple of hints.
A goal in hurling is worth 3 points so therefore 2 goals are worth 6 points. What's 16 plus 6? If you get the answer for that you'll maybe see the problem with the headline.
Maths is hard. No need to be so rude. I read the headline wrong. Subbie's who write headlines often makes mistakes. Happens all the time. Stupid mistake but an easy one to make.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/02/2015 15:51:15    1694090

16/02/2015 09:08:01 duckula20
Part of the issue is that as a national broadcaster it should follow that things of national interest are given priority. It does appear there is a subversive attempt to portray the egg chasers in a positive light whereas the gaa are treated differently for sure. The media has a responsibility to try and adopt a neutral standpoint which it isn't and this will hold huge sway with people when deciding which game to watch / participate in.
To show the influence of media I look at Welsh broadcasting. I live in Wales and their national sport has blanket coverage, there is a discussion that with the overly negative reporting of rugby stories and the rise of both Swansea and Cardiff city that young folk who would have been brought up in traditional rugby hotbeds are turning towards soccer and the media has a huge role to play in that.
The broadcasters have to realize the influence they hold, perhaps they do and it is an attempt to boost rugby playing numbers, who knows, but the wall to wall negative or ambivalent reporting does nothing to encourage anyone to take up the national sports and if the national broadcaster is favoring other sports because the national team has a modicum of success it should still be able to broadcast the national sports without bias or negativity. RTE also has major commercial considerations and perhaps that's why they look at rugby so much as there is more to be gained commercially from rugby???
If there is serious attempts to try boost playing numbers then why are they reducing coverage on tv of rugby from next season?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/02/2015 15:53:15    1694091

so they should lean more towards rugby despite it having a lot less interest with the public in general? and being a much smaller sport?....why is the gaa ignored so much despite the consistent strong viewership?..it would be like the nfl being ignored in america

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 16/02/2015 16:03:58    1694100