13/02/2015 16:08:40 fabio8
lot of that is deliberately putting the rugby stuff out there over gaa news...the media was always known for bigging up rugby long before there was big marketing put into it...i agree the gaa should be doing more though overall..again this does not excuse the blanket undeserved coverage rugby get a lot of times where it is hugely unwarranted There isn't people thinking like that and you would be foolish to try imply that there is. Media wasn't known for that. Very uninformed posts and if you have true conviction in your thoughts why don't you say it to Ryle Nugent/contact RTE as you're very brave to say they are biased in favour of one sporting organisation over another

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/02/2015 20:27:40    1693386

Ormond rte have not shown the wolfhounds game until this year, if i was to start a blog to do you think i would get as many views as one if not the most popular sports forum in the country. While the gaa are not the best at marketing the rugby boys and the D4 media are from the same private/ boarding school network which is a massive advantage it has to every other sport. What entrainment do Connacht and Leinster have in there games. If you buy a Gaa league ticket before the day of a match it is only 10 euro which is good value and the should promote it more

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 13/02/2015 21:04:25    1693393

Soccer is a bigger pro team sport then Rugby in Ireland Ormond.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 13/02/2015 21:10:37    1693395

again you fail to answer the points put to you..suprise suprise..i had hoped you had finally left this forum alas i was dreaming!..change hasnt occured..people have a write to an opinon and express their views on here..a site is the ideal place for this..again what is your problem with that?..people have already answered your point yet u keep bringing it up endlessly..why?..what does it matter if its a pro sport?..gaa and soccer are way bigger sports in this country than rugby..it isnt even close..well if they can show underage rugby for instance then they can certainly show underage soccer..why isnt ladies gaa or soccer shown considering they are much bigger sports than womens rugby?...i have already criticized the gaa on numerous occasions...that doesnt excuse the bias that exists towards rugby...dont remember wolfhounds games being shown for years to be honest..how come bbc dont show them?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 13/02/2015 21:16:55    1693396

this is commonly known...look at the huge coverage a private schools rugby tournament gets?..rugby was always huge in the media..it was generally for the wealthy in older times and of course those in charge of the media were wealthy folk with rugby being their preferred sport...the evidence of bias is there for all to see...why does a private schools competition get such coverage when it represents such a small minority while the gaa equivalent competition for public schools which is nationwide and much bigger is largely ignored?..the rugby police has most certainly returned..still waiting for an answer on the points put to you

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 13/02/2015 21:28:21    1693400

who wants to see womens rugby and underage rugby as well as the wolfhounds?..who are these people?...the coverage is completely unwarranted...the only interest people have is the national side and when one of the provinces is going well...its laughable how you claim people arent interested in club football or the league and then you claim people want all these things in rugby where there is hardly 1000 people at the match itself never mind the tv audience!

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 13/02/2015 21:31:34    1693401

ormond

yes rugby might market all the time
but you cannot say rte dont have a bias towards them
the fact they show live reserve team under 21 team and womens team aswell as the actual senior team
is saturation of live games
but you also factor in every weekend on the late late show they have a rugby person
and the brendan o connor show is almost as bad for it now
I mean anybody thats played rugby in this country, managed or even a few weeks back I saw a welsh ref on the show
you can hardly disagree that its clearly pushing rugby

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 14/02/2015 08:59:19    1693413

13/02/2015 21:04:25 ROS1
Ormond rte have not shown the wolfhounds game until this year, if i was to start a blog to do you think i would get as many views as one if not the most popular sports forum in the country. While the gaa are not the best at marketing the rugby boys and the D4 media are from the same private/ boarding school network which is a massive advantage it has to every other sport. What entrainment do Connacht and Leinster have in there games. If you buy a Gaa league ticket before the day of a match it is only 10 euro which is good value and the should promote it more Ros RTE has shown Wolfhound/Ireland A games on a regular basis over the past number of years and home games will be shown on RTE. I was talking to mediaman about a blog and for what he/you want you would gain more attention on a blog specifically covering the "supposed" and "imagined" bias of RTE towards certain sports.
13/02/2015 21:10:37 ROS1
Soccer is a bigger pro team sport then Rugby in Ireland Ormond. Attendances would say otherwise. Is League of Ireland really bigger than Pro12/Champions Cup. Are League of Ireland sides anywhere near the provinces - of course theyre not.
13/02/2015 21:16:55 fabio8
again you fail to answer the points put to you..suprise suprise..i had hoped you had finally left this forum alas i was dreaming!..change hasnt occured..people have a write to an opinon and express their views on here..a site is the ideal place for this..again what is your problem with that?..people have already answered your point yet u keep bringing it up endlessly..why?..what does it matter if its a pro sport?..gaa and soccer are way bigger sports in this country than rugby..it isnt even close..well if they can show underage rugby for instance then they can certainly show underage soccer..why isnt ladies gaa or soccer shown considering they are much bigger sports than womens rugby?...i have already criticized the gaa on numerous occasions...that doesnt excuse the bias that exists towards rugby...dont remember wolfhounds games being shown for years to be honest..how come bbc dont show them? What have I supposedly failed to answer. I express my opinion and its a bit hypocritical of you to criticise me for supposedly trying to stop people from posting an opinion when you are doing exactly that to me.
13/02/2015 21:31:34 fabio8
who wants to see womens rugby and underage rugby as well as the wolfhounds?..who are these people?...the coverage is completely unwarranted...the only interest people have is the national side and when one of the provinces is going well...its laughable how you claim people arent interested in club football or the league and then you claim people want all these things in rugby where there is hardly 1000 people at the match itself never mind the tv audience! 000s want to watch the national womens team and under 20s team play rugby. RTE only showed Womens games after getting contacted by enough people(hint hint).
Its laughable that you say the only interest people have is the national side and when provinces are ding well.
14/02/2015 08:59:19 hill16no1man
Ormond yes rugby might market all the time but you cannot say rte dont have a bias towards them the fact they show live reserve team under 21 team and womens team aswell as the actual senior team. is saturation of live games but you also factor in every weekend on the late late show they have a rugby person and the brendan o connor show is almost as bad for it now. I mean anybody thats played rugby in this country, managed or even a few weeks back I saw a welsh ref on the show you can hardly disagree that its clearly pushing rugby If RTE are biased towards rugby then why are they reducing from next season the amount of rugby they will be showing live?
How is the national under 20s team a reserve team? Every weekend live on Late Late? Where do you get that from?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/02/2015 12:05:00    1693431

54 adult rugby clubs in the country

that shows how important it really is

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1903 - 14/02/2015 13:08:00    1693439

14/02/2015 13:08:00
valley84
54 adult rugby clubs in the country

that shows how important it really is Wrong. Where are you pulling that from?
There is several hundred adult clubs

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/02/2015 13:30:39    1693445

This time of the year the national rugby team take precedence over the NFL and the NHL because even though some people on here might not beleive it but the general sporting public want to watch and here about the rugby and because GAA is parochial they have only interest in there own county and do not really care much about the rest of the league , the 2 biggest cities in the country could only get 4000 last week .During the summer the GAA will get wall to wall coverage because that is there main season , Mediaman according to the IRISH SPORTS COUNCIL report in 2013 there are more people playing rugby in Dublin thaGaelic football so that might be a reason for the coverage.

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 14/02/2015 13:55:19    1693448

Could you please specify tinrylandman. Im a big believer in the old saying that there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. What exactly does playing rugby mean? for example, does tag rugby, (a bit of craic ) count.
Im living in galway my whole life and Ive never even come across a proper rugby match being played. Ive seen plenty of tag rugby where the competitors spend half their time laughing and joking with each other, but not any serious stuff. every other week I see gaelic matches and soccer matches going on.
Your point about the GAA summer coverage is spot on. Ive no complaints with that, but I definitely think the league coverage could be better.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 14/02/2015 15:06:29    1693458

ormond

If RTE are biased towards rugby then why are they reducing from next season the amount of rugby they will be showing live?
How is the national under 20s team a reserve team? Every weekend live on Late Late? Where do you get that from?

becuase they havent the money to keep showing the saturation that they are currently doing
something had to give with it
sure its nearly the only sport they show live during the rugby season
sure they gave the premier league show the chop
they show 4-5 race meetings a year only now
they show no boxing at all anymore not even the national championships
the wolfhounds is th reserve team i was on about
last night ronan o gara was on
week before george hook, brent pope, the other guy who presents the rugby too
o callaghan must be tubridys buddy as he makes an appearance every 2 or 3 months
the welsh referee was on it a few weeks back

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 14/02/2015 15:44:24    1693480

got your weeks wrong tinryland as there was 23 thousand at dublin v donegal last week
you love to make things up without even attempting to make them sound real

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 14/02/2015 15:46:58    1693481

Tinryland can you provide a link to that report please . If not can you provide the figures to substantiate what you said. Ormond can you do the same with regard to the number of rugby clubs in Ireland please . I know there are at most three rugby clubs in Louth which has a population of 110,000 people approx.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 14/02/2015 15:47:48    1693482

RTE does its best at all times to protect the image of rugby union. Take this morning's Marian Finucane Show as an example. RTE Sports reporter Des Cahill was asked a very pointed question about concussions in rugby union a subject of particular concern for parents. In reply he pointed to the fact that he knew of two players who concussed in a Gaelic football club match last November immediately deflecting attention away from the real issue, concussions in rugby union. Then he was asked about last night's floodlight failure during the women's rugby union international in Ashbourne. In response he again ducked the question by reminding us that it happens in all sports specifically mentioning the recent Tyrone Monaghan NFL match. Why bring the GAA into it? Have you ever heard an RTE reporter after a rugby union match compare it in a positive manner to a brilliant All Ireland Hurling or Football Final. Of course not. RTE only uses these negative comparisons to provide a convenient smokescreen for rugby union's shortcomings.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 14/02/2015 21:14:36    1693580

who are these 000s?...stop making things up...if there are 000s then why is the crowd at the games so small?..50 people posting online about womens rugby sounds like some campaign..if your sport is tiny then it shouldnt be shown on the national broadcaster over sports which the majority have a huge interest in...what you said wasnt opinion..you tried to claim rugby was the biggest sport in south africa which it is not...these are facts...you quickly changed your tune when you realised the nonsense you were talking...you tried to portray minority of the country as the majority...countless arguments on this site have shown you to be nothing more than rugby police...you seem to argue for arguments sake half the time as evidenced by trying to claim the 6 nations is as big as the world cup then doing a u-turn on this

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 14/02/2015 21:36:59    1693590

14/02/2015 13:55:19 tinrylandman
This time of the year the national rugby team take precedence over the NFL and the NHL because even though some people on here might not beleive it but the general sporting public want to watch and here about the rugby and because GAA is parochial they have only interest in there own county and do not really care much about the rest of the league, the 2 biggest cities in the country could only get 4000 last week. during the summer the GAA will get wall to wall coverage because that is there main season, Mediaman according to the IRISH SPORTS COUNCIL report in 2013 there are more people playing rugby in Dublin than Gaelic football so that might be a reason for the coverage. Is there?
14/02/2015 15:06:29 joncarter
Could you please specify tinrylandman. Im a big believer in the old saying that there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. What exactly does playing rugby mean? for example, does tag rugby, (a bit of craic ) count.
Im living in galway my whole life and Ive never even come across a proper rugby match being played. Ive seen plenty of tag rugby where the competitors spend half their time laughing and joking with each other, but not any serious stuff. every other week I see gaelic matches and soccer matches going on.
Your point about the GAA summer coverage is spot on. Ive no complaints with that, but I definitely think the league coverage could be better.Where in Galway do you live. Never seen a game on Dublin Road in Crowley Park, on college road in Sportsground? in Dangan, in Newcastle, on the pitches in the swamp? Whats a "proper rugby match"

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/02/2015 21:37:00    1693591

14/02/2015 15:44:24 hill16no1man
becuase they havent the money to keep showing the saturation that they are currently doing something had to give with it
sure its nearly the only sport they show live during the rugby season sure they gave the premier league show the chop
they show 4-5 race meetings a year only now they show no boxing at all anymore not even the national championships
the wolfhounds is th reserve team i was on about last night ronan o gara was on, week before george hook, brent pope, the other guy who presents the rugby too. o callaghan must be tubridys buddy as he makes an appearance every 2 or 3 months
the welsh referee was on it a few weeks back Many of those guys were no for other reasons other than simply rugby.... Nthing wrong with showing the 1 wolfhounds game a year and as it is so linked to 6Ns nothing wrong with showing it.
14/02/2015 15:47:48 Greengrass
Tinryland can you provide a link to that report please . If not can you provide the figures to substantiate what you said. Ormond can you do the same with regard to the number of rugby clubs in Ireland please . I know there are at most three rugby clubs in Louth which has a population of 110,000 people approx.Don't have time but all clubs are listed on the provincial websites. If you want to know the numbers look them up yourself.
14/02/2015 21:14:36 mediaman
RTE does its best at all times to protect the image of rugby union. Take this morning's Marian Finucane Show as an example. RTE Sports reporter Des Cahill was asked a very pointed question about concussions in rugby union a subject of particular concern for parents. In reply he pointed to the fact that he knew of two players who concussed in a Gaelic football club match last November immediately deflecting attention away from the real issue, concussions in rugby union. Then he was asked about last night's floodlight failure during the women's rugby union international in Ashbourne. In response he again ducked the question by reminding us that it happens in all sports specifically mentioning the recent Tyrone Monaghan NFL match. Why bring the GAA into it? Have you ever heard an RTE reporter after a rugby union match compare it in a positive manner to a brilliant All Ireland Hurling or Football Final. Of course not. RTE only uses these negative comparisons to provide a convenient smokescreen for rugby union's shortcomings. Now that's bias. Des Cahill is the furthest person possible from a Rugby supporter. Him stating that isn't protecting the image of rugby its just stating all sports have issues with concussion. You are bitter about rugby. You think RTE are biased. Simply posting here wont bring the changes you want from RTE so why not do more? Create twitter accounts/facebook pages/petitions to try shame RTE into making changes??

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/02/2015 21:39:10    1693593

was there not over 20,000 in croke park last week?..cork were playing away..when behaving as a wind up..at least try and be realistic!

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 14/02/2015 21:39:11    1693595