the part which is not good on them bennybunny is rte showing such a fixture over something bigger in gaa...i hear all these things about petitions and campaigns but the fact is if you are only a minority sport like rugby is then you should not receive blanket coverage..obviously the national team should be covered cause the interest is there..but there is no interest in womens, underage, and the wolfhounds compared to the national league or other sports

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 12/02/2015 19:15:30    1693083

When is that Barbarians game? Love watching them play, they really are one of the greatest traditions in any sport.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 12/02/2015 19:25:33    1693091

GAA also needs to promote the games more. I know it was pre-crash but Croke Park sold out twice for opening league games between Dublin and Tyrone not that long ago. All it takes is a bit of PR nous and spending maybe 5% of ticket sale revenue! A Dublin Kerry or Donegal/Dubs league game properly marketed would get at least 50,000. That's what IRFU do and fair play to them. They can pack Aviva for Leinster Munster pro 12 games!

People love having a big event to go to and don't even have to be huge supporters to go to matches that are made attractive and who knows what impact seeing Croke Park under lights might have on kids who might otherwise be infatuated with TV sport from other countries. We have a great product and a great stage for it so we should be using it more. Too many people in GAA still have a sort of dog in the manger attitude and would prefer that everything just goes on as it always did rather than show a bit of front, as Del Boy might put it!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 12/02/2015 19:42:23    1693098

Agreed hurlingdub.

There was a good crowd the other night and the game had a bit of bite to it. However, imagine if Bernard Brogan (he came on as a late sub), Paul Flynn, Cian O'Sullivan et al were available and people new that they were available. Also if Jim Gavin had come out and said that it was vitally important that Dublin set the record straight or something of that kind instead of saying that he was using it to prepare for the summer.

I am not having a go at JG here by the way. Ultimately Dublin won by trying out some fringe players and Jim Gavin would probably be foolish to enter mind games in February. However these are the sort of things that sell these type of games to the 'swing' crowd. Alas, the actions of the Dublin camp probably did not help in this regard (I emphasise - I am not having a go at Jim Gavin or his backroom team).

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 12/02/2015 20:42:26    1693126

yes people in gaa love to be coy about things and play things down i do agree there...there isnt enough marketing efforts being made..however none of this has to do with rte having such a bias towards rugby..nobody is bothered about the coverage the national side gets as its warranted..its the extra stuff that people take issue with

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 12/02/2015 21:12:55    1693135

Some of that comes down to PR as well Fabio. Journalists are lazy and IRFU cater to that. GAA should have someone bombarding RTE and others with updates, team news, etc. Newstalk for example had scores from the Sigerson games on their afternoon sports. It does not exist as far as RTE are concerned! But perhaps only because GAA do not supply them with the info?

Of course there is nothing much you can do if some clown from Dublin or Wexford or Belfast thinks that "United" or "City" or some team from Glasgow are "us" and "we". And inflicts their juvenile infatuation on the listeners. That's a job for the psychology department :-)

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 13/02/2015 08:28:37    1693153

You make some very good points hurlingdub. Some here think the media dont give the GAA coverage, seems the Wexford GAA think they are getting too much coverage...
link" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tipping-point-wexford-finally-taking-stand-against-tyranny-of-the-gaa-media-1.2054193">link

The marketing for GAA is years behind rugby. I remember when the ash cloud grounded all planes in & out of Dublin. Leinster rugby hired a load of coaches , went out to the airport and gave out free tickets to some Rabo match being played that night. Guess what sport in Ireland all those tourists went back home around the world talking about. The GAA would never do anything like this - they would need 5 motions, 15 votes at Central Council and a blessing from the arch-bishop before they'd even start pricing the cost of the coaches.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 13/02/2015 13:47:38    1693268

Bad Monkey you obviously know little of the GAA.

And remember the RABO is a 2nd tier competition in the rugby world, it is held in very little regard by the English or French rugby cicles. In fact in France you will never hear nothing about it. Even the rugby paper just lists the scores and nothing else!!

I think the GAA should start its own paper, twice a week, Friday and Monday, and like Midi Olympic in France focus on just one sport. When you consider how small rugby is in France and the Midol makes money, a GAA paper would have a bigger audience in Ireland.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 13/02/2015 14:26:28    1693282

i wouldnt agree that the marketing for the gaa is years behind irfu
the gaa have ahugely successfull history of being very good at it
its their lack of doing it thats the real problem
like hurlingdub said dublin v tyrone in league matches twice sold croke park out
the international rules in the 00tys was hugely marketed and had full houses in croker too
why they cannot keep putting in big efforts anymore is the problem.
you had around 40 thousand i think it was for the league final last year
without any marketing at all
you have 30-35 thousand turning out for the club finals without any big push either
they should put a big campaign into both them days and you would go very close to full houses again.
also the championship is by and large ignored from a marketing point until the all ireland semi finals these days.
they have two perfect weekends in the calendar
the june bank holiday weekend and the august bank holiday weekend
they should be marketing both weekends as the june one he beggining of the provincial championships
if they had a big double header from ulster on the sunday
then use the bank holiday monday for a big double header in croke park for the leinster championship
you could get 30 thousand into clones and 60 thousand plus in croker
then use the august bank holiday as the all ireland quarter finals launch pad
and depending on the fixtures
you could use all 3 days saturday sunday and monday
with a feast of action from both football and hurling

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/02/2015 14:27:31    1693283

It's a decent enough point Bad Monkey. It's a well known fact that the IRFU propaganda machine is light years ahead of Croke Park. While there is no mistaking RTE Sports Department's obsession with rugby - of the 30 sports news stories that they had online yesterday evening 9 were rugby, 1 GAA and the rest a mixture of soccer, horse racing and other sports and this ahead of a weekend when the NHL commences - there is no doubt that the GAA are incapable of properly marketing the games here. It beggars belief in this day and age that they have not got somebody employed to hoover up information from the county boards ahead of big game weekends and pummel the press with it.

There is clearly a steady stream of information flowing from rugby sources but the GAA are still stuck in neutral when it comes to county gossip, team news, advertising games etc. etc.

A quick glance at the Times' top sport stories and of the seven, four are rugby with just one GAA.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 13/02/2015 14:52:53    1693290

lot of that is deliberately putting the rugby stuff out there over gaa news...the media was always known for bigging up rugby long before there was big marketing put into it...i agree the gaa should be doing more though overall..again this does not excuse the blanket undeserved coverage rugby get a lot of times where it is hugely unwarranted

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 13/02/2015 16:08:40    1693317

10/02/2015 16:01:42
fabio8
i emailed them as well as sending a letter..again i ask you what happened your point on south africa?...you have continously showed yourself on this site to be nothing more than a self appointed rugby police constantly disagreeing with others and making baseless points...thats a lot more underage games and womens games than they show for their counterparts in soccer and gaa which are much bigger sports in this country..again you seem to have a major problem with mediaman highlighting the bias that exists...all he has posted is facts and information
virtually every year?..i can remember them games being on sky quite a bit...dont rte also show the ireland team made up of club players live on tv also? Well do more as if you and enough people look for change something may occur. Just bitching here will see nothing happen.
Rugby is the biggest pro sport by far in terms of team sports so will get the lions share of media coverage. What soccer would you want shown. Other channels show GAA. Why don't you criticise GAA for not doing enough as it should be clear to everyone that they are far behind the IRFU in getting their sports in the media

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/02/2015 19:52:38    1693372

10/02/2015 20:08:36 ROS1
Ormond this is the first year that rte have shown the wolfhounds game, it is not part of the 6 nations package as Bbc are the host broadcaster for Ireland's six nations games and Rte are only a secondary broadcaster and the BBc never show this game. You mention the u20 and women's rugby the show, well the don't show one under age gaa match or one ladies football game which is the point. The had no analysis of 2 club all Ireland semi finals and you keep coming up with the same nonsense about complaining to Rte when a number of people have done so and received bland standard corporate replies. RTE have shown wolfhounds/Ireland A games over several years.
10/02/2015 20:38:57 joncarter
Some day ormo, some day youll admit youre wrong.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow,but some day........ some day joncarter, some day you'll admit you're wrong and say my name correctly. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but some day.....

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/02/2015 19:59:52    1693374

10/02/2015 20:52:39 mediaman
I'm sure everyone agrees that honesty in sport is important. So it's really surprising to see the ads which are currently running for what is being described as a match in May between Ireland and the Barbarians in Thomond Park in Limerick. This suggests that it is a full international match when in fact it is nothing of the sort. It's just another friendly match and it's only an Ireland XV or 'B' team that will be playing. Full international caps will not be awarded for this friendly indeed the IRFU has an agreement with an insurance company not to play full internationals outside Lansdowne Road. The ads are misleading but I have no doubt RTE will give this friendly full international status and seek to broadcast it live no doubt at the expense of football and hurling coverage as per usual. Media that's what you call marketing. The ads are not misleading. Why don't you start a campaign in the media, mediaman, if you want what you want?
What football/hurling will this rugby game be shown instead of?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/02/2015 20:05:14    1693375

12/02/2015 19:42:23 hurlingdub
GAA also needs to promote the games more. I know it was pre-crash but Croke Park sold out twice for opening league games between Dublin and Tyrone not that long ago. All it takes is a bit of PR nous and spending maybe 5% of ticket sale revenue! A Dublin Kerry or Donegal/Dubs league game properly marketed would get at least 50,000. That's what IRFU do and fair play to them. They can pack Aviva for Leinster Munster pro 12 games!
People love having a big event to go to and don't even have to be huge supporters to go to matches that are made attractive and who knows what impact seeing Croke Park under lights might have on kids who might otherwise be infatuated with TV sport from other countries. We have a great product and a great stage for it so we should be using it more. Too many people in GAA still have a sort of dog in the manger attitude and would prefer that everything just goes on as it always did rather than show a bit of front, as Del Boy might put it! What would you like the GAA to do to promote games more? Fair points and that's what IRFU and provinces do. Look at the pre and post match entertainment at games in pro12/internationals.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/02/2015 20:12:47    1693377

Having now achieved almost saturation coverage of rugby union with every ball kicked at every level deemed worthy of television coverage RTE seems to be now attempted to do the same for cricket. Sending a reporter to NZ/Australia involves a huge outlay for a minority sport of this kind. There are only 130 cricket clubs in Ireland and most of those are in the North. Meanwhile the supporters of the 2000 + football and hurling clubs are forced to endure second rate coverage so that resources can be channelled into less popular sports in an effort to promote an alternative kind of Irish culture.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 13/02/2015 20:15:35    1693380

12/02/2015 19:25:33 bad.monkey
When is that Barbarians game? Love watching them play, they really are one of the greatest traditions in any sport. Baba's game is in May in Thomond. Check Munster website/IRFU website...
12/02/2015 21:12:55 fabio8
yes people in gaa love to be coy about things and play things down i do agree there...there isnt enough marketing efforts being made..however none of this has to do with rte having such a bias towards rugby..nobody is bothered about the coverage the national side gets as its warranted..its the extra stuff that people take issue with The extra stuff is wanted by the public....
13/02/2015 08:28:37 hurlingdub
Some of that comes down to PR as well Fabio. Journalists are lazy and IRFU cater to that. GAA should have someone bombarding RTE and others with updates, team news, etc. Newstalk for example had scores from the Sigerson games on their afternoon sports. It does not exist as far as RTE are concerned! But perhaps only because GAA do not supply them with the info?
Of course there is nothing much you can do if some clown from Dublin or Wexford or Belfast thinks that "United" or "City" or some team from Glasgow are "us" and "we". And inflicts their juvenile infatuation on the listeners. That's a job for the psychology department :-) good post....
13/02/2015 13:47:38 bad.monkey
You make some very good points hurlingdub. Some here think the media dont give the GAA coverage, seems the Wexford GAA think they are getting too much coverage...
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/tipping-point-wexford-finally-taking-stand-against-tyranny-of-the-gaa-media-1.2054193" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">link
The marketing for GAA is years behind rugby. I remember when the ash cloud grounded all planes in & out of Dublin. Leinster rugby hired a load of coaches, went out to the airport and gave out free tickets to some Rabo match being played that night. Guess what sport in Ireland all those tourists went back home around the world talking about. The GAA would never do anything like this - they would need 5 motions, 15 votes at Central Council and a blessing from the arch-bishop before they'd even start pricing the cost of the coaches. Good post but some just want to criticise rugby/RTE as they think its the easier thing to do rather than look at what the GAA is not doing

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/02/2015 20:16:58    1693382

13/02/2015 14:26:28 witnof
Bad Monkey you obviously know little of the GAA.
And remember the RABO is a 2nd tier competition in the rugby world, it is held in very little regard by the English or French rugby cicles. In fact in France you will never hear nothing about it. Even the rugby paper just lists the scores and nothing else!!
I think the GAA should start its own paper, twice a week, Friday and Monday, and like Midi Olympic in France focus on just one sport. When you consider how small rugby is in France and the Midol makes money, a GAA paper would have a bigger audience in Ireland. Rabo isn't a 2nd tier competition. French rugby covers the league... you don't exactly see much coverage of French/English rugby competitions here....
Where would GAA publish this paper? Where would the market be? Who would you get to write the paper? Who would you have edit it?
Rugby isn't small in France. Ever been to South of France? Perpignan, Narbonne, Toulon, Toulouse, Biarritz....
The French population is multiples of ours. A GAA newspaper wouldn't survive financially....

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/02/2015 20:20:58    1693383

13/02/2015 14:27:31 hill16no1man
i wouldnt agree that the marketing for the gaa is years behind irfu the gaa have a hugely successfull history of being very good at it
its their lack of doing it thats the real problem like hurlingdub said dublin v tyrone in league matches twice sold croke park out the international rules in the 00tys was hugely marketed and had full houses in croker too. why they cannot keep putting in big efforts anymore is the problem. you had around 40 thousand i think it was for the league final last year without any marketing at all you have 30-35 thousand turning out for the club finals without any big push either they should put a big campaign into both them days and you would go very close to full houses again. also the championship is by and large ignored from a marketing point until the all ireland semi finals these days. they have two perfect weekends in the calendar the june bank holiday weekend and the august bank holiday weekend they should be marketing both weekends as the june one he beggining of the provincial championships if they had a big double header from ulster on the sunday
then use the bank holiday monday for a big double header in croke park for the leinster championship you could get 30 thousand into clones and 60 thousand plus in croker then use the august bank holiday as the all ireland quarter finals launch pad and depending on the fixtures
you could use all 3 days saturday sunday and Monday with a feast of action from both football and hurling Fair points but that's all stuff GAA should be looking at doing before trying to fix imagined biases in the media

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/02/2015 20:23:29    1693384

13/02/2015 14:52:53 Joxer
It's a decent enough point Bad Monkey. It's a well known fact that the IRFU propaganda machine is light years ahead of Croke Park. While there is no mistaking RTE Sports Department's obsession with rugby - of the 30 sports news stories that they had online yesterday evening 9 were rugby, 1 GAA and the rest a mixture of soccer, horse racing and other sports and this ahead of a weekend when the NHL commences - there is no doubt that the GAA are incapable of properly marketing the games here. It beggars belief in this day and age that they have not got somebody employed to hoover up information from the county boards ahead of big game weekends and pummel the press with it.
There is clearly a steady stream of information flowing from rugby sources but the GAA are still stuck in neutral when it comes to county gossip, team news, advertising games etc. etc.
A quick glance at the Times' top sport stories and of the seven, four are rugby with just one GAA.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sportRTE Sport have so much rugby on website now as its the biggest part of the season in terms of income for RTE - 6 Nations. Why don't GAA look to improve themselves......

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/02/2015 20:25:20    1693385