07/02/2015 20:54:27
joncarter
Fair point Ormond.
Even allowing for that it could still be better though, but I do agree that if the GAA people took the league more seriously than the RTE might too. It could be better but until the "GAA people" respect all their competitions more than why should media?
You have people in January dismissing the January competitions as them not being the league and then people dismiss the league as not championship. How can you deal with that?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 07/02/2015 21:09:26    1691014

rte have largely very poor analysis..old men interupting each other constantly and taking petty shots isnt exactly analysis..a pundits job is to be informative...look at gary neville and carragher on mnf for instance...get rid of martin carney..and please stop being so negative and talking about 'blanket defences'..the league is respected as evidenced by the crowds it gets...bit laughable to say gaa dont respect the league when teams have no respect for the pro 12

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 07/02/2015 21:18:09    1691017

Why did you put GAA people in brackets?

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 07/02/2015 21:18:22    1691018

So we do agree that it could be better then. Therefore you deal with it by improving the coverage. You answered you own question there.
Im not saying league coverage should be on a par with championship coverage by the way, Im just saying it could be better.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 07/02/2015 21:21:04    1691020

Joncarter did you see Pat Spillanes "analysis" of last years All-Ireland football final .? Enough said. That should not be tolerated . It is unfortunately. Sky's analysis tas are about analysing the game. The presentation is sharper. The use of technology is better.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6182 - 08/02/2015 10:42:54    1691071

Ormond makes a good point. There is an obvious 'its only the league' attitude. When this changes, RTE might give more coverage.

Saying Dublin were reduced to 10 men is laughable though. An honest mistake I hope

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 08/02/2015 10:43:14    1691072

fabio8
rte have largely very poor analysis..old men interupting each other constantly and taking petty shots isnt exactly analysis..a pundits job is to be informative...look at gary neville and carragher on mnf for instance...get rid of martin carney..and please stop being so negative and talking about 'blanket defences'..the league is respected as evidenced by the crowds it gets...bit laughable to say gaa dont respect the league when teams have no respect for the pro 12 Teams do have respect for pro12. How don't they?
07/02/2015 21:18:22 joncarter
Why did you put GAA people in brackets? What exactly is a "GAA person"?
07/02/2015 21:21:04 joncarter
So we do agree that it could be better then. Therefore you deal with it by improving the coverage. You answered you own question there.
Im not saying league coverage should be on a par with championship coverage by the way, Im just saying it could be better. What do you want done about the coverage?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/02/2015 16:30:49    1691215

It rubbish to say that counties do not respect the leagues, most counties see the league as been very important. A lot of the top players do be rested in Pro 12 games as the European and international games are seen as more important and are on at the same times. Look at this weekend you would think that showing 2 and three quarters hours on friday, 6 hours on Saturday and an hour and five mins on Monday of rugby would be enough for one weekend but no the had an hour long look back at 2009 and virtually the whole of the Saturday night show was dedicated to rugby and the rugby panel. Compare that there gaa coverage where the didn't bother to show any of the Kildare game on the news last night even though Setanta showed that live. The have a pre-recorded league show where the give a single hour to show all Ireland hurling semi finals and gealic football games 2 different sports, none of which Rte sent cameras to.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 08/02/2015 17:31:46    1691265

the league is respected..again you use a few cliched responses in interview to make a whole opinion on how the league is respected..the pro 12 often isnt respected by the supporters or the teams..look at the low crowds and a lot of pro 12 games involve very weakened sides

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 08/02/2015 20:17:35    1691388

A couple of weeks ago we had a Sunday newspaper soccer columnist sniping at the GAA in an article about soccer violence. Last Saturday night on the Brendan O'Connor show on RTE while George Hook was warning parents about rugby union being a 'dangerous' game for their children to play Brent Pope's defence was 'look at the GAA and horse racing.' There seems to be a common trend here. People in certain sports being in denial about the negative aspects of their own sports. Trying to shift the attention onto some other sport rather than allowing their own dirty linen to be washed in public.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 08/02/2015 20:26:30    1691398

Mediaman, George Hook is always highlighting the dangers of concussion injuries on his show and pointing out the concussion injury risks in other sports including GAA. He knows if sports don't resolve this issue it'll put many parents off letting their children play these sports and rightly so.

RTE do not have a warehouse full of camera and sound equipment with to 'send' to games, it's extremely expensive equipment.Most of those jobs are subbed out to third parties who can provide digital broadcast material. I do think that the GAA should put down a few quid and sub a few crews to lower division games and try and show some highlights on their YouTube channel. They won't though because they have no interest in showing or increasing standards in so-called lesser counties.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8181 - 09/02/2015 16:58:46    1691748

That League Sunday programme just doesn't cover it well enough at all. Granted I'm a little biased, but Roscommon had one of our biggest wins in recent years on Saturday night and they didn't even give the score. Wicklow came from 9 points down to beat Leitrim. Westmeath gave Galway a scare in a hum dinger of a game. Not a mention about any of these results. They devoted 10 minutes to each of Mayo v Tyrone, Dublin v Donegal, Monaghan v Cork and Meath v Kildare, with a 15 second mention of Kerry's win in Derry.

The Division 1 games are rightly going to get the most coverage, but they could have even given just a quick run-down of the results from Divisions 2,3 and 4, with a quick 30 second chat about what's going on in each Division. It's downright disrespectful to 24 counties that were completely ignored in last night's programme.

decky (Roscommon) - Posts: 384 - 09/02/2015 17:45:43    1691784

Anyone know how Georgia got on in the six nations at the weekend? I can't find their result anywhere.

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 09/02/2015 17:54:21    1691791

Why does the rte player on UPC not show league Sunday?
It has every other programme from Sunday except league Sunday it was the same last week too

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/02/2015 18:26:15    1691803

GreenandRed
County: Mayo
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They have no interest in showing or increasing standards in so-called lesser counties.

Whatever about showing the games, I very much doubt that it is part of RTE's remit to increase standards in the so called lesser counties.

That is the GAA's job & they aren't making much of a fist of it.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5029 - 09/02/2015 18:27:31    1691804

We are now in week 6 of the new season and RTE has yet to send even 1 camera to any football or hurling fixture anywhere in Ireland. The Sunday night League highlights coverage is provided by Setanta (2 Saturday night games) and TG4 (2 Sunday afternoon games). Those broadcasters provide facilities for the RTE commentators and the post match interviews. This is RTE broadcasting on the cheap. Contrast this to the fact that last weekend RTE sent cameras to 3 All-Ireland Rugby Union club games at which there were more seagulls than spectators. RTE has plenty of cameras they just don't have any interest in providing comprehensive coverage of football and hurling. Given the popularity of football and hurling we should be demanding cameras at all 16 league games. Even the most poorly attended football/hurling league game still attracts a higher attendance than the Club Rugby Union games RTE covers.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 09/02/2015 18:27:45    1691806

09/02/2015 18:27:45 mediaman
We are now in week 6 of the new season and RTE has yet to send even 1 camera to any football or hurling fixture anywhere in Ireland. The Sunday night League highlights coverage is provided by Setanta (2 Saturday night games) and TG4 (2 Sunday afternoon games). Those broadcasters provide facilities for the RTE commentators and the post match interviews. This is RTE broadcasting on the cheap. Contrast this to the fact that last weekend RTE sent cameras to 3 All-Ireland Rugby Union club games at which there were more seagulls than spectators. RTE has plenty of cameras they just don't have any interest in providing comprehensive coverage of football and hurling. Given the popularity of football and hurling we should be demanding cameras at all 16 league games. Even the most poorly attended football/hurling league game still attracts a higher attendance than the Club Rugby Union games RTE covers. RTE don't send cameras to club games in the main. The cameras used at those games are not often RTE cameras but cameras clubs use to record game footage for themselves and then its sent to RTE. You may have some sort of point about how sport is covered but until you do more than just post here nothing will change. Have you a website displaying your petition and manifesto looking for change in RTE's supposed attitude towards sport?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/02/2015 19:37:43    1691848

Mediaman, I wouldn't be surprised if someone from the IRFU and/or the clubs innvolved are sorting out their own camera crews to publicise rugby. You well know there's no shortage of money in some Dublin rugby clubs. I know some cameramen and they've told me that RTE are very tight with their money and they'd rather subcontract work, not just sports, rather than investing in equipment and hiring more fulltime camera and sound people. I know people will say money makes money and rugby can well afford to give money to a few video people. But the GAA themselves are missing a trick by not spending a bit on marketing.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8181 - 09/02/2015 19:48:54    1691855

again this continous response about contacting rte..numerous people including myself have stated we have already contacted rte about this issue and there was 0 response..you will notice mediaman praises rte where the coverage given is correct...his posts have been very informative in highlighting the bias or neglect of gaa by the broadcaster

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 09/02/2015 20:06:43    1691861

Lads most county teams have their own cameras recording their games. I know Dublin had a camera for the o Byrne cup games so rte could easily have looked for that footage the same way they take tg4 and setanta footage.
Have to say watched a bit of our game on setanta on Saturday night when I got home and their sound quality is diabolical. They must just take the commentary and have one microphone as you can barely hear any stadium noise

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/02/2015 20:22:05    1691869