I thought I'd seen it all on HS over the years but now we have someone comparing the O'Byrne Cup and the Super Bowl . Bravo , post of the year already! Well played

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4656 - 01/02/2015 20:26:50    1688920

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The only RTE Sports programme to show any real level of balance in January was Radio 1 Sunday Sport otherwise RTE was something of a wasteland for football and hurling supporters. In contrast RTE TV failed miserably in reflecting the level of interest in football and hurling nationwide. Failing to send even one camera to such as the O'Byrne Cup final while giving live coverage to a reserve team friendly in rugby union really summed up the old school tie attitude in RTE TV. February looks like being much the same. It appears now that RTE have sent a reporter to the USA to cover the Super Bowl. Can't send one camera to Newbridge but can afford to send a reporter to the Super Bowl. Talk about rubbing salt in the wounds. January is pre season for GAA. How much coverage do you really want for hurling/gaelic? Why don't you create a twitter account/set up a facebook page and gauge interest. If you picked up lots of followers/likes and you canvassed those in power you could see changes in place
The irish rugby game gets covered as its part of package for the 6Nations.
The Superbowl gets coverage as its one of the biggest sporting events in the world. RTE would be foolish not to send somebody over to it

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/02/2015 20:38:09    1688929

01/02/2015 20:14:45 joncarter
Soccer definitely no. 1 in Dublin. I genuinely believe that the GAA suffers in the big smoke because it is an indigenous game, and some parts of Dublin associate Irishness with backwardness. their loss imo.
Some great work being done at club level in Dublin though, and long may that continue. hahahahahahaha
go on go on go on go on go on please please please names the areas which supposedly associate irishness with backwardsness. Please which areas do that?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/02/2015 20:38:38    1688931

would agree with soccer being number 1 in dublin up to a certain but gaa seems to be getting bigger and bigger in the capital especially in the more affluent areas..great work is being done...going to dublin games was always big but now the grassroots is very strong

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 01/02/2015 20:46:59    1688938

This coming from a guy who describes the autumn internationals as "huge games".

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 01/02/2015 21:02:37    1688957

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I thought I'd seen it all on HS over the years but now we have someone comparing the O'Byrne Cup and the Super Bowl . Bravo , post of the year already! Well played

With respect to you, there was no comparison in sporting terms between the O'Byrne Cup and the Super Bowl made by any poster.

The super bowl is a huge sporting event with global interest. There is probably a decent interest in Ireland (I have no idea of numbers). I am sure most will have some access, directly or indirectly, to Channel 4 in the UK who are showing the game live. Do RTE really need to send a reporter? They could still do a report without sending an actual reporter.

We know that for the O'Byrne cup final at least 10,000 Irish people were interested in attending the game with many more GAA people in Dublin, Kildare, other Leinster counties with an interest in it. RTE did not send a reporter (according to media man).

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 01/02/2015 21:17:32    1688970

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Soccer definitely no. 1 in Dublin. I genuinely believe that the GAA suffers in the big smoke because it is an indigenous game, and some parts of Dublin associate Irishness with backwardness. their loss imo.

The Dublin Football team is the biggest supported team in Dublin.

Soccer is of course massive in Dublin, but there's very little between Gaelic Football and soccer in Dublin at the moment.

What parts of Dublin associate Irishness with backwardness? You do realise that people from Dublin are Irish too don't you?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 02/02/2015 08:42:23    1689012

soccer has an edge on playing numbers which is largely down to the squewed way of calculating them
with 5 a side leagues and night owls and lads who just form a team to have a reason to go to the pub afterwards
all included in their playing numbers. most of this is uncompetitive players who arent serious playing numbers.
i myself am probably included on a few differant sides as a player
as i have played with 4 actual soccer sides last year, when they were stuck
and played last week in a 5 a side tournament in limerick so am probably counted there too despite not actualy being
part of any soccer set up. also theres no transfer rules in soccer in dublin you can clearly just leave one club and play for another
without any forms being signed at all as i have friends who do this if they arent getting a game.
when it comes to interest gaa is definatly the biggest
people from all over dublin will tune into a dublin football match and its as tommy lyons says the biggest gig in town.
and attendances for dublin games are a multiple of all 5 of the airtricity league sides added together.
viewing fugures and market shares are massive for dublin games.
if you go to limerick soccer might have bigger playing numbers than rugby
but you ask any limerick person what the sport of limerick is and you will have no doubt rugby will be the answer.
the same applies to dublin when it comes to gaelic football, except the playing numbers are very closely matched with soccer
and like rugby in limerick the actual interest in attendances and viewing figures galeic football dwarfs soccer.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/02/2015 09:48:42    1689036

On Saturday night Paul Finlay scored a point from a free on sideline, neither TG4 or RTE2 decided to show this unbelievable piece of skill.
When Maurice Fitzgerald did this it was voted the second best GAA moment of all time. It's incredible that this was cut from the coverage.
Players like Paul Finlay and what they do should highlighted as there is no better example for the young players of the future.

Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 819 - 02/02/2015 12:13:08    1689129

What in the name of God are you on about joncarter? We would all still be under English rule if Dublin and other parts of the country had done what your own county did. Almost nothing. So don't be lecturing us about being Irish.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 02/02/2015 12:25:57    1689136

hurlingdub

HAHAHA It was only a matter of time before somebody went there.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3838 - 02/02/2015 14:19:35    1689216

dont think people from limerick will be saying rugby anymore hill haha.

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 02/02/2015 16:01:37    1689274

Bennybuny - bit of a cop out to say RTE don't need send reporter to SuperBowl because Channel 4 are covering it. Why show any news from outside Ireland then as people can just see on bbc/internet etc.. In fairness poster did compare the two by asking why RTE sent reporter to Super Bowl and not O'Byrne (which they clearly did as match reporter was on Radio 1).

Just heard the Rolling Stones announced to play at HT of next years O'Byrne Cup final !

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4656 - 02/02/2015 17:06:25    1689319

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Bennybuny - bit of a cop out to say RTE don't need send reporter to SuperBowl because Channel 4 are covering it. Why show any news from outside Ireland then as people can just see on bbc/internet etc.. In fairness poster did compare the two by asking why RTE sent reporter to Super Bowl and not O'Byrne (which they clearly did as match reporter was on Radio 1).

Just heard the Rolling Stones announced to play at HT of next years O'Byrne Cup final !

The first part in bold. If you read my post and came to the conclusion that this was my point then...then ...exasperation...

The second point in bold....sigh!

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 02/02/2015 17:28:14    1689333

bad.monkey

are we finally getting thorugh to you haha
yes there is no need to show sport from outside ireland on the irish national news
as clearly we can see these sports news on them channells you already stated which are that countries news
and he stated a simple fact in that they dont send somebody to england for soccer games
they just take footage, they dont send reporter on saturday to english racing
they just take footage
so why send reporter to usa for a game that was beamed all over world so footage was again readily available.
why couldnt they do a report on the o byrne cup?
when you consider they already had a radio brodacster there
and could easily ask dublin county boar for footage the same way they do to bbc and sky sports and channell4

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/02/2015 19:02:29    1689381

Bad monkey you are one of the people who talk about Rte have limited resources yet you see no problem sending a crew to the us for a American football game, there are plenty of sports with world championships Irish participants in them and sports that would be a lot bigger in Ireland then American football yet Rte do not send reporters to. There is also big world sports events that Rte do not send reporters to. What benefit was having a reporter at the superbowl with a 2 second clip then having him put together a package in Dublin. He reported on Friday from the city, so he is at least there from last Thursday, how much did that cost probably a cameraman and a producer as well. Paying a premium for everything in a city with a major event on as well. Why could Rte not send there us reporter to the match instead.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 02/02/2015 20:33:39    1689428

Bad monkey you are one of the people who talk about Rte have limited resources yet you see no problem sending a crew to the us for a American football game, there are plenty of sports with world championships Irish participants in them and sports that would be a lot bigger in Ireland then American football yet Rte do not send reporters to. There is also big world sports events that Rte do not send reporters to. What benefit was having a reporter at the superbowl with a 2 second clip then having him put together a package in Dublin. He reported on Friday from the city, so he is at least there from last Thursday, how much did that cost probably a cameraman and a producer as well. Paying a premium for everything in a city with a major event on as well. Why could Rte not send there us reporter to the match instead.

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Look it's a jollier. RTE is state subsidised via lics fees. There is effectively a bottomless pit of taxpayers cash there to be done with as they see fit. If this means sending a journo across the Atlantic first class and putting him up in 5 star accommodation then that's what must be done to get that crucial 10 minute report that all of us NFL loving sports fans back home have been waiting for. Just like sending Shane O'Domoghue to the masters at Augusta back in the day or hiring Brent Pope, Donal Lenihan and Ralph Keys to analyse a rugby friendly in Cork, sure why wouldn't you. You're not going to be held accountable for your expenditure anyway and sure if you're short of a few bob you just apply for a lic fee hike.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4748 - 02/02/2015 21:35:12    1689461

Ormo and Mes, there are no specific "parts" of Dublin Im referring to, but i always found that things like the irish language, ceili music etc wouldnt be your average Dubs cup of tea. Theyd be seen more as rural pursuits, enjoyed by the boggers from out the way.
Maybe Im just reading too much Ian O Doherty.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 02/02/2015 21:37:54    1689462

I think the attitude of those involved towards the league is a reason why it doesn't get the coverage some expect. Yes it is important in regards getting ready for the championship but in regards winning it or even winning matches it has not and never will be overly important. You can dress it up all you want but how many times have we seen teams named in the league with half a dozen guaranteed championship starters sitting on the bench. If that's not a sign that it is considered prep for the Summer I don't know what is. Attendances are also an indication of the league's importance. Yesterday's Kerry Mayo match is an example. If these 2 played in the Summer you would have 30,000 at it. How many was at it yesterday, 10,000 at most?

The GAA has pigeon holed itself as only mattering from May-September so the coverage it gets in the media is going to represent that view.

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 02/02/2015 21:49:05    1689467

Joncarter makes some sense. I think a lot of Dublin people would refer to soccer as "football". Most Dublin posters on here are GAA supporters and never would mix up the two, but that is my experience.

Getting back to the thread, in fairness I can defend RTE for not showing a pre-season O'Byrne cup match (and why are we just referring to the O'Byrne cup btw, the McGrath cup, FBD league & McKenna league were on too. The interest to all is limited outside the counties involved. However sending a reporter to the Superbowl makes no sense either. It is global to a degree but it's an American indigenous sport at the end of the day.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1156 - 02/02/2015 21:58:22    1689477