Of course they do Pinkie, sure some of them are bound to have bias and prejudices. When Galway play a Munster team at a Munster venue with a Munster referee, we know what's often coming next.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4121 - 15/07/2014 21:55:50    1620027

Pope_Benedict i think you need to look closer to home for your problems.....

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 16/07/2014 08:39:30    1620045

Pinkie
County: Wexford
Posts: 3053


I gave one!

Nick (Wexford) - Posts: 1100 - 16/07/2014 08:50:57    1620048

Hurling needs a black card badly. Donal og is probably making people tired about his constant talk of the use of the spare hand in hurling. Is anybody listening though? It is endemic the amount of cynical play in hurling now. We seem to proud to admit it. Or like Eddie Brennan opines, we simply laugh it off and say players are being cute.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 16/07/2014 09:57:06    1620071

Hurling needs a black card badly. Donal og is probably making people tired about his constant talk of the use of the spare hand in hurling. Is anybody listening though? It is endemic the amount of cynical play in hurling now. We seem to proud to admit it. Or like Eddie Brennan opines, we simply laugh it off and say players are being cute.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 16/07/2014 09:57:06    1620072

Pinkie,

On a previous thread a suggested ways to improve refereeing. I suggested referees and umpires be broken into teams and they stay together, while obviously alternating the referee within that 7-8 man team. I think this would build understanding and communication between officials and lead to more consistent officiating of our game. I also suggested that the linesmen have more power to call fouls etc. But after Barry Kelly's needless input last day out I retract that suggestion.

Even at U14 level players are been told if your man gets through on goal take him to ground. My own club recently brought a fella in for a one off session and the hour was spent training the use of the spare hand. Teams everywhere are at it and the reality of it is thats how players are happy to play the game. So leave it the way it is.

If all the county teams were brought into a room and asked to vote on the introduction of sin bins and black cards and all this caper we'd get our answer fairly quick.

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 16/07/2014 10:41:16    1620087

crossfieldball what would happen if county teams were brought in like that is defenders would vote against the black card whereas forwards wouldnt.
i personally thought barry kelly's involvement on saturday was absolutely correct and i was sitting near the sideline and would be critical he didnt call more things which he was in a perfect position to call,much better than the main referee.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 16/07/2014 11:19:19    1620112

crossfieldball
County: Galway
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Even at U14 level players are been told if your man gets through on goal take him to ground. My own club recently brought a fella in for a one off session and the hour was spent training the use of the spare hand. Teams everywhere are at it and the reality of it is thats how players are happy to play the game. So leave it the way it is. [/I]

But is against the rules to foul a player!!!! Henry Shefflin is the only one in memory that has been booked for using his spare hand in a cynical act. He was booked last year against Cork. Everybody says it was harsh. It was only harsh in the sense that a great player like Henry got caught and was a scapegoat for the fact that everybody else is doing it and getting away with. what we need is a situation where everybody gets booked for this to put an end to it. Good defenders can hook and block and be out front - they do not need to use their hand to pull on a person's helmet, to push down on a person's arm, to briefly grab the hand of another opponent so that they fumble possession. This is not hurling. We have more and more ugly rucks in hurling because of this. People say its a mans game, let things be. Rubbish. We must implement the rules. It seems we need stiffer punishments.

Train the referees on how to referee a match, I'm not trying to be smart but virtually all them look like they need it. Michael Wadding and possibly Barry Kelly are the only ones up to scratch.

Leave Pat McEnaney to looking after the Gaelic football refs and appoint a respected ex-hurling referee to manage the hurling referees.

Consider using two referees, one for each half of the pitch as the sliothar moves way too fast for a referee to keep up with the play, especially with quick clearances of over 70 yards in distance.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 16/07/2014 13:36:31    1620204

Is there a chance that we reap what we sew? Refs got a lot of abuse last year e.g. perfectly valid red card in munster final resulted in huge media attention for ref. Id say there must be huge doubt in their minds. I accept that they do not go out with any bias but there is a bias in all humans and first thing ppl look at when a supposed underdog wins is how to blame the ref.

Clare tried it in all 3 games but because of Davy v few listen. It not sour grapes cos we in LK agree with sheedy and Loughnane that we have a decent shot and we feel that we needed that game and going to QFs will suit us but reffing in Cork when Cork are favs there can be no doubt to which team the 50 50 calls go. Even some of the Cork fans admitted it on sunday and that was with an experienced ref.

Also when u have a valid goal disallowed and a one on one chance disallowed for what was at best marginal and a goal as a result of over carrying in BOTH games I think it is time to make it known that we would hope its not going to happen again.

disillusiondfan (Limerick) - Posts: 4279 - 16/07/2014 14:10:00    1620223

Hurling Refereeing may need changes. The idea of having referees as umpires is a must.

But there has something fundamentally changed with the instructions they are getting this year. Borderline frees were rarely given back a few years ago. they are now.

In conjunction with that I feel the level of referring has also dropped

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 16/07/2014 17:26:25    1620342

Well there is one development in refereeing that I agree with and that is that umpires and linesmen can draw the 'refs' attention to some of the stuff going on behind the ref back.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 16/07/2014 18:53:13    1620374

Cork seemed to got alot of the 50/50 calls last year. The same story this year so far. Out of the teams left in the championship maybe Kilkenny are the most vunerable to the refs this year in future games. Time will tell.

This is far out but if another ref was watching on tv and able to see replays for possible penalties and sending off offences. He could help the main ref if reguired. Like in the rugby. I hope the refs standards improve.

Sheedy (Galway) - Posts: 107 - 17/07/2014 09:48:57    1620485

http://gaahurling.surveyanalytics.com/

The Hurling Review Committee chaired by Liam Sheedy is seeking feedback from hurling supporters, players and officials via an Online Survey (link above). A lot of the points and suggestions raised in this thread regarding possible rule changes are covered in the survey, as well as other issues such as club v county conflict, funding for the game and how the skills of the game are coached. Would be worth your while filling it in if you have 10 minutes to spare.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1256 - 17/07/2014 14:09:18    1620639

Pinkie

I repeat the idea of players taking responsibility - why are we not talking about why players foul all the time? players go out with the idea that giving away frees is ok - why is that?
How many times do players stand up after games and admit that the frees they gave away were actual frees and admit to the ones the got a way with, sure if your team wins the winning team delights in it and praises the cuteness of the player.
I guarantee if a referee went out and blew for ever foul and every single one was correct, there would be uproar because the game would not "flow"

Also put yourself in the shoes of the referee last Saturday in Wexford Park, you have already sent off a Clare player and then (with help from the linesman) you send a second off - given all the stuff that went on last year over the sending offs do you not think the referee deserves praise for having the balls to do his job? instead people are blasting him for been poor.

If you want to understand what would work and wouldn't work - get out and referee.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1956 - 17/07/2014 17:41:59    1620771

zinny I was creating debate and where in the above did I berate a referee? If anything, I started this thread with a view to helping referees and reducing the pressure on them, and overall make their job easier. And how do you know I havent tried it?

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 17/07/2014 18:37:52    1620801

If the wording says - Hurling refereeing - what do we need to do? its hardly saying well lads, referees do a good job that most people here haven't got the courage to do but from my experience there are a few things that could be done to help them - what do you think?
The whole premiss of your question is that there is something wrong.

My criticism of referees are that they are afraid to implement the rule book i.e make the hard decisions during games. When I referee, I do it by the book and couldn't care less what impact that has on the game, its not my responsibility to play the game just say when someone breaks the rules. Now in any game due to the the angle of the bodies etc I will get something wrong or miss something - lets say thats 10% of the time - in a game that could be two, three, four "bad" decisions - I have know way of determining what the impact of those decisions could be - I call them as I see them or don't as the case may be. However when the armchair boys look at the game they focus on those decisions yet I got 90% right but there is the kicker - if my average is 90% and the players decide that they want to play the game correctly I may have 10 decisions to make and only one is bad, any less than ten then perhaps I get nothing wrong.

In football the black card had to be brought in to change the attitude of some players and managers to the game - so does this not indicate to you where ultimately the problem is?

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1956 - 18/07/2014 18:20:56    1621268

bennybunny
Good defenders can hook and block and be out front - they do not need to use their hand to pull on a person's helmet, to push down on a person's arm, to briefly grab the hand of another opponent so that they fumble possession. This is not hurling. We have more and more ugly rucks in hurling because of this. People say its a mans game, let things be. Rubbish.

I have to agree with you on this. We've all experienced and seen/heard fans supporters moaning about this and that players poor first touch when the guy is actually being fouled/held/grabbed etc. Its at all levels now, its far to easy to gain an advantage by the illegal use of the hand.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 18/07/2014 19:06:08    1621289

pinkie i agree with you in the cold light of day.but in the heat of a championship game if you have a guy on the sideline constantly roaring abuse at you like a hyena id say it does have an effect..

kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 18/07/2014 19:12:25    1621292

Zinny

Your points are well received. Unfortunately players are going to push rules to the limit to gain an advantage. Pinkie, I believe, was trying to suggest ways to help referees catch and punish them.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 19/07/2014 13:37:20    1621473