SNUF....residents also using it as a negotiation position to get more out of Croker. Well acording to a mate of mine who is part of the residents.

Not all clear and dry as you make it out.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 04/07/2014 13:40:21    1613720

kerryluck
County: Kerry
Posts: 2201

1613655
paints ireland/dublin in a very bad light, not great for tourism if not sorted out quickly

don't flatter ourselves.. no one give a continental quilt. they pulled the plug on Paul McCartney (no harm) and Bruce Springsteen in hyde Park in London a few years ago as it was past 10:30pm.. as that was the agreed cut off point. I don't think it had much effect on tourism to London . laws are laws and agreements are agreements.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 04/07/2014 13:48:42    1613723

Let's look at the ridiculous statements......

"This looks bad for Ireland internationally" ..... Note ZERO coverage from bbc news and sky news. Our nearest neighbours don't consider this news!

"This will cost the local economy millions" ..... Not really. If there never was any Garth concert they would receive nothing. Local business were gaining money. Now they aren't gaining money. Cost neutral really!

"It's only a concert" ..... Then why are you upset you can't go, and if you are are upset it's not on, because it inconveniences your plans, imagine how the residents feel about having this thrust upon them.

"The residents want more money" ...... From the GAA!? The residents get zero cash from the GAA for inconveniencing them. They get put into a draw for a few tickets, and whoever wins that draw has to still pay for the tickets.

"People had booked flights and hotels" ..... Pay cancellation fee and bring the GAA/Aiken to court to recover the small cost of cancelling.

"Shouldn't be negotiating with the residents anyways" ....... Note, this is the reason for this fiasco.

"I love my Irish fans" .....five or none at all. Yeah Garth loves the Irish alright. He loves their money! When was his last gig, 16 years ago!?

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 04/07/2014 13:49:19    1613724

Am breaking my sides laughing over the Garth Brooks fiasco. The promoters and assuming the GAA just decided on the day to sell the tickets without consulting anyone over the licence which must be issued for all concerts assuming that sure we'll get it later. Where does that stop - Croke Park is a GAA stadium not a concert venue - there were rules attached to the concerts and both the promoter and the GAA knew that when they broke them - The sanction for breaking these rules according to some posters - none !!!! but sure what about all the revenue lost etc. Solution then don't break the rules or else suffer the consequences - The promoters and the GAA were just plain greedy - it's coming back to haunt them now. Nobodys faul but the promoters, GAA and Brooks. However the concerts will take place (mark my works) but maybe not all in Croke Park. As for Garth Brooks statement that he would play all 5 or none - play none if ya dont want to come - we're not forcing you to make a fortune coz I doubt Garth Brooks is coming to Ireland for the fun of it. Maybe the promoters will think twice before selling 5 concerts where they were only initially selling 2 !!

Eagles (Wicklow) - Posts: 57 - 04/07/2014 13:58:30    1613731

JayP is a lad who knows what he is talking about!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 04/07/2014 14:06:13    1613739

Eagles is another lad who knows what he is talking about!

I am praying Brooks does not come so the GAA and promoters are left with egg on their faces and learn a lesson in 'honour' and all these phoney 'fans'/'sheep' who only know two of his songs are made to look stuipid!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 04/07/2014 14:10:14    1613742

What was the limit set on the number of concerts at the venue per year? Was it around 3 or 4? If so, then why have they even allowed 3 of the concerts to go ahead as surely One Direction have already used the quota? If they have gone over the quota in allowing the 3 then what difference does the extra 2 make.

Reading the latest news there and thankfully the 'silent majority' of residents are now starting a petition to allow the concerts to go ahead. At least there are some people round there with a bit of sense and know what concerts like this mean to an area and aren't going to let a few local people - probably blow-ins, hurt the area financially. Well done those residents!

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 04/07/2014 14:17:25    1613747

crossfieldball
County: Galway
Posts: 610

1613691 Its a pure disgrace. This past the point of no return along time ago.

You buy a house next to he national stadium you know what your getting, you buy a house next to the M4 you know what you getting, you buy a house next to Cork airport you know what your getting. Pathetic by the residents. Their actions makes a mockery of this country to host events like these. To hell with agreements Croker is our national stadium and should be used as much as possible.

This old chestnut. The residents knew they were moving in beside a GAA stadium. I don't remember ever hearing one complaint about a GAA match. Add in the numerous conventions and all concerts to date with only a few grumblings, but the residents accepted it. The only objections about Garth Brooks came about when the 4th and 5th night were announced. And last time I checked, Croke Park was not Irelands national stadium, it was the GAA headquarters.

petejoeduff (Donegal) - Posts: 329 - 04/07/2014 14:22:40    1613752

I am still of the opinion that if you make an agreement you should stick to it so the GAA should have done so in this case.

But Offside that is a very interesting development - up here we are well accustomed to folk who are offended by everything, in fact everyone everywhere probably know folk who are always offended and since the crying baby gets the milk it is not unreasonable to think that there are ulterior motives in this whole episode from the vocal residents position.

As such it is good to hear an alternative opinion from the locals for the sake of a bit of balance and backs what I believe in terms of the nuisance value of such an event in an arena and infrastructure developed to deal with large numbers of people.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 04/07/2014 14:28:40    1613757

Yeah Offside-Rule. Let's completely ignore the ruling from the Council. Let's all see sense and give Aiken, the GAA and Garth Brooks the financial gains they deserve.

Let's forget about laws, and let's move forward with the populist mentality. The people want it, so they should have it. Let's bulldoze favelas in Brazil to build fan parks and tell people to go live somewhere else.

Let's cut down forests because IKEA need the material.

Finally, a return to the Collesseum!!!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 04/07/2014 14:30:16    1613758

You live in North Mayo next to the Corrib Gas field.....you know what to expect!

Same thing crossfieldball is it? A few local residents stop a major infrastructural project harvesting a natural resource!

Peoples ignorance of the 'LAW' is astounding!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 04/07/2014 14:35:30    1613763

Jezz Jap P if a few concerts are that big a deal maybe we should all reconsider.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 04/07/2014 14:36:53    1613764

Just two other things that spring to mind aswell, I only live a mile away from where the Witnness festival used to take place (fairyhouse racecourse) and I know for a fact that a handful of local residents where up in arms over it. Now there weren't too many people objecting that I can remember (we certainly didn't) but the ones who were, were basically heralding Witnness as the apocalypse.....UNTIL they got a load of free tickets and then all of a sudden as if by magic, the protesting stopped so that element is there.

Secondly if Garth Brooks does really love his Irish fans then screw it, find a big field and do the gigs for free, because let's be honest, none of us really want money to do things for the people we love, so let's have you Garth, do it for free, unless it is actually about the money of course.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 04/07/2014 14:41:04    1613769

Pathetic, institutions and companies, like all individuals have to be measured and held to account on two things, what they say and what they do. Dublin City Council and the GAA between them have broken their own agreements. but should we be surprised?

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 04/07/2014 14:41:14    1613770

Naysayer, I don't think the concerts are a big deal at all. I think agreements with people and consultation are a big deal. I think licensing arrangements are a big deal. I think the ruling of a council is a big deal.

I think not getting to see a rich American singer on a Monday and Tuesday night isn't a big deal.

I think people painting the residents around Croke Park as monsters is an over reaction. This putting pressure on people to get your own way is sickening. The people around Croke Park are within their rights to ask for consultation pre announcement of concerts.

The failure here lies with the GAA and Aiken.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 04/07/2014 14:45:40    1613774

The whole Garth Brooks having enough fans to fill Croker thing is all a bit of craic isn't it..? Am I not dreaming this!!!

Aaaaaargh!!!

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 357 - 04/07/2014 14:46:10    1613775

From todays BBC News site.

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brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 04/07/2014 14:48:19    1613778

I blame Suarez.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 04/07/2014 14:48:26    1613779

Yeah Offside-Rule. Let's completely ignore the ruling from the Council. Let's all see sense and give Aiken, the GAA and Garth Brooks the financial gains they deserve.

Well JP - maybe then you are the man to answer the query I had in my last post. Why did the Council agree to license 3 of the 5 concerts then if the agreed quota had already been reached by One Direction. Surely they should then have ruled that none of them go ahead? Would it be that they want the money but also want to keep the vocal residents happy? Having your cake, wanting to eat more, num num num.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 04/07/2014 14:50:22    1613783

Plus JP - surely the fault doesn't lie with the Promoter/GAA but the Councils and their lack of ability to make decisions in a timely manner. I heard that even the Arcade Fire concert which was on in Marley Park only got the licence granted a few hours before the concert by Dún Laoghaire/Rathdown council - who only published the day after the concert to say it had been granted. I have also heard promoters on the radio saying this is common place in Ireland that you are literally waiting til the 11th hour on a lot of occassions for the go ahead. How the hell are promoters supposed to advertise, sell tickets, get security etc in place and get the concert venue set up in 3 hours? The problem in these cases firmly lies at the feet of the inept Councils.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 04/07/2014 14:56:31    1613786