and probably never a chance of getting rid of the Brooks Ireland 2014 t-shirts, headbands, knickers etc.

Unless they can get Rebekah to do a tour in celebration of getting off on phone hacking. And getting off as in being found not guilty in case of confusion.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/07/2014 13:13:33    1616302

Aitken promotions/Croker are in it for the money and if they thought there was going to be this much aggro over it, they probably wouldn't have put the gigs on in the first place
moylagh
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What are you talking about???
Of course they knew their would be aggro over it, so the mind boggles as to why these two organisations with all their 'great business minds and legal advice and experience at hosting big events' decided to run with it (bully it through on a crest of a wave of money)!

Reasons why Croker must have known it would cause aggro:
1. 'Their own agreement' with the residents to host 3 gigs a year!
2. The fact that the 3 gigs a year allocation was all used up!
3. The fact that they didnt meet with the locals once this came up to see if they could extend the 'agreement' somehow!
4. The fact that it was not just one more gig they were looking to host but....."""""5"""""!!!!!!

Please explain to me how an organisation can expect to not get any "aggro" whilst blatantly choosing to ignore points 1-4 above?

Wake Up!!!!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 09/07/2014 13:30:20    1616317

As ususal the crying baby gets the milk!

Dress it up whatever way you like but as usual the proportion, however small, who make most noise get their way (though I am not convinced that even the noisy lot in this instance have actually got their way or instead had their bluff called).

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 09/07/2014 13:42:57    1616325

SNUF not all residents are against Croker and concerts.

So how you can make out its the majority, if not all residents, that are against this is wrong.

You wake up

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 09/07/2014 13:44:39    1616327

09/07/2014 12:40:07 hill16no1man
all this economy stuff its b.s.
nobody is losing money at all
that 50 million (how they know that exact igure anyway is ridiculous) hasnt been spent anywhere
therefore its 50 million they MIGHT have made, there not losing it as they never had it
so the main thing from the oublic outcry it seems after all this is said and done is
its ok to have rules and we should implement them unless it means the economy makes money therefore we overlook rules and
whats right to make money. hmmmmmmmmmm that seems very democratic.
what do these same people think about ladies of the night
they gotta make a living too Loads of people are losing money from this.
The economists can predict figures as its their job to. They see how many people are going to be at the concerts, and estimate and forecast based on stats available to them what is likely to be spent.
It is a loss as the money would have been made if concerts had went ahead therefore its a loss as concerts are not going ahead.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/07/2014 14:04:12    1616333

3 concerts were still approved which would have still accommodated a huge amount of people and created a lot of business

Unfortunately Brooks and co pulled the plug.

5 nights in a row was flipping ridiculous, correct decision to stage it over 3 nights...

Pity that it wasn't just left at 3 concerts... but money took over...

But thats my point Jimbodub - Snuf basically said that the DCC put people before money. I say if they had of been concerned about people they wouldn't have allowed any as the 3 events were already used for the year - the moment they gave the go ahead for any concert showed that money was a motive for them and I wouldn't expect anything else from any Council regards finance. They tried to appease the residents while still getting the cash cow but hadn't banked on the outcome as it now is. In this regard I said I didn't agree with Snufs assertion that they put people before cash and believe its a case of wanting to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/07/2014 14:17:29    1616341

Offside_Rule

so 400 thousand people dont get to see a concert
there is roughly the same figure 400 thousand people unemployed in this country
yet there is not half the fuss made
the economy would be far better off if that was fixed

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/07/2014 14:21:42    1616345

Tom1916

first off the residents dont grantconcert licenses thats the city council job so the residents who were against it didnt have the
final say. democracy won out as there was already an agreement and all parties including gaa broke it
you cannot blame residents for buisness people doing the wrong things regarding a concert.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/07/2014 14:24:25    1616349

moylagh

the fault of this lies solely on brookes himself
it has come out today the reason why he said 5 or none
nothing whatsoever got to do with supporters
more the fact that when they sold 5 nights
they upscaled their whole set and he claims 3 nights wouldnt make him the money

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/07/2014 14:26:37    1616351

Would these be the same economists who have the luxury of "revising their forecasts"? Did you never hear the phrase "Economics is not an exact science" ? The amount of money lost is moot. A very significant number of ticket holders live in the country so that money will be spent within the country anyway . Yes revenue will be lost to Dublin of that there is no doubt. However that money may well be spent in the areas where the ticket holders live . We live in a society , not an economy. The economy serves society not the other way around. Conventions of society cannot be undermined by economic imperatives. People have the right to live in their homes . There was an agreement in place to that effect and big business and Croke Park tried to shred it . That is unacceptable .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6180 - 09/07/2014 14:29:17    1616355

ormondbannerman

yes yes yes yes but ormond
that money is hypotetichal it doesnt exist
its like saying if my horse wins i will have x amount but he has to actualy run first
buisnesses didnt lose money because it would only be money they might have made
where as if the people who both the tickets werent getting there money back for it
now they would have lost money

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/07/2014 14:29:46    1616356

so 400 thousand people dont get to see a concert
there is roughly the same figure 400 thousand people unemployed in this country
yet there is not half the fuss made
the economy would be far better off if that was fixed

Yes, but if those 400,000 unemployed people were all told they had a job lined up for them then a few weeks before were told "actually we never really had all premesis for all those jobs and now that we told the companies who were coming in to set up they have decided not to come at all so you are still unemployed" then there would be a hell of a fuss I would imagine.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/07/2014 14:54:35    1616374

I had a ticket for the Monday night and two tickets for Sunday, I'm kinda relieved all gigs were cancelled, I mean trying to decide who came with me on Sunday would have been like choosing between children...........

ramor101 (Cavan) - Posts: 289 - 09/07/2014 14:59:46    1616381

I mean trying to decide who came with me on Sunday would have been like choosing between children...........

ha - given the outcome lets just hope that Brooks is never put in the position of having to actually choose between his kids.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/07/2014 15:06:30    1616385

The castleknock Croke Park resident is also trying to get Pairc UiCaoimh and Casement Park developments halted. Boo down with progress as long as i'm alright in my big house at the pheonix park.

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 09/07/2014 15:07:50    1616386

Brooks should know no one has ever managed 5 in a row in Croker lads

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 09/07/2014 15:17:31    1616398

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 8015

you are right the money never existed. however in business you forecast turnover etc these businesses had probably forecast these earnings for the month of July. Some struggling businesses may have been relying on that income to keep them a float for the year so yes it will have an effect on the economy!

hawkeye82 (Kerry) - Posts: 202 - 09/07/2014 15:18:53    1616399

witnof

Blame ALL round in EQUAL proportions.

Well that's it really, blaming one single party in this is irrational at best.

Aiken & The Gaa are both to blame for getting greedy and scheduling 5 nights in a row, I think 3 would have been reasonable and they got the go ahead from the council anyway. I'd like to see this farcical 'no more than 3' agreement to understand the ins and outs.

The residents against sound to me like they have a few nasty trouble makers misleading the pack, that was my experience of them out our way before the Witnness festival. I'd love to know what the majority of residence actually thought.

Garth Brooks himself is acting a little childish with his 'all or nothing' stance, but that's celebrities for you, they're nearly all the same so no surprises there. Hopefully for his fans sake there will be some good news for them soon but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 09/07/2014 15:50:45    1616421

snuf - the agreement is not 3 gigs a year - it is 3 events in the stadium a year. The 1D weekend was 1 event, the 5 nights for G.Brooks is 1 event.
I am a resident in the Croke Park area and I don't know of anyone on my road that was against the concerts.
Its a small miniority that won't have their slush fund so readily topped up by the GAA in future.

wwfan (Wicklow) - Posts: 108 - 09/07/2014 16:01:37    1616434

The thing is, most major events are vastly oversubscribed, demand will always heavily outweigh supply but you don't see Glastonbury putting on another three days just so nobody's disappointed. The GAA misjudged the mood of the residents, rode roughshod over them and now they pay the pied piper I'm afraid.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 09/07/2014 16:07:07    1616437