bryanadams
County: Kildare
Posts: 447

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There is always a great atmosphere and a bit of banter between supporters when Kildare play Meath, and I am sure many will stay on to watch the Dublin V Wexford game.

As a matter of interest, will posters be supporting, our neighbours Dublin or fellow rural county Wexford?


As a matter of interest do you really need to know the answer to that? We all know the answer. Put it this way I had the pleasure of sitting behind a group of laoise, Kildare and Meath fans all cheering for Laois against Dublin. All bessy mates forever once a sky blue jersey is on the grass. No doubt they will have their reasons, Kildare because it could be an easier ride against Wexford if they win, Meath because, it's Meath.

bluedubstar (Dublin) - Posts: 835 - 20/06/2014 15:28:12    1606507

I doubt you would find many Kildare fans shouting too vocally for Laois. No love lost between the two counties especially if you're from down near the border.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 20/06/2014 15:44:55    1606521

bluedubstar
County: Dublin
Posts: 796

1606507 bryanadams
County: Kildare
Posts: 447

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There is always a great atmosphere and a bit of banter between supporters when Kildare play Meath, and I am sure many will stay on to watch the Dublin V Wexford game.

As a matter of interest, will posters be supporting, our neighbours Dublin or fellow rural county Wexford?


As a matter of interest do you really need to know the answer to that? We all know the answer. Put it this way I had the pleasure of sitting behind a group of laoise, Kildare and Meath fans all cheering for Laois against Dublin. All bessy mates forever once a sky blue jersey is on the grass. No doubt they will have their reasons, Kildare because it could be an easier ride against Wexford if they win, Meath because, it's Meath.

Not always, I remember being at a game where myself and a considerable contingent of country supporters, gave a resounding cheer when Alan Brogan scored a goal. I think we beat Australia that year and all.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 20/06/2014 15:46:52    1606524

beir_bua
County: Kildare
Posts: 408

1606521 I doubt you would find many Kildare fans shouting too vocally for Laois. No love lost between the two counties especially if you're from down near the border.

Too true, and you definitely wouldn't hear any Laois supporters cheering on Kildare.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 20/06/2014 15:48:29    1606526

beir_bua
County: Kildare
Posts: 408

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I doubt you would find many Kildare fans shouting too vocally for Laois. No love lost between the two counties especially if you're from down near the border.


I would of thought the same... That bunch of fans where only short of linking arms...! Still as a Dublin supporter I don't expect any solidarity or support from any other county even if we where playing the forces of evil...

bluedubstar (Dublin) - Posts: 835 - 20/06/2014 15:51:08    1606528

I can't see underage success having much baring on this particular game..
Most of the team that start for Meath will have been part of the team in 12 that beat kildare, as I'm sure there will be from Kildare starting 15 that have senior success. Underage really has nothing to do with senior .

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/06/2014 16:23:41    1606551

Meath would probably want Dublin to win as its never the same if you not facing them in final.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/06/2014 16:27:27    1606555

Well from a Kildare point of view most of our young players are the products of unnderage success.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3038 - 20/06/2014 19:30:17    1606623

Does anyone know if the losers of Meath/Kildare meet a team coming through the qualifiers from Round 1A or Round 1B?

I would think it's Round 1B as that would give the losers 13 days to prepare rather than the dreaded 6.

Round 1B looks stronger with Tyrone, Cavan & Down all likely to be on that side of the draw. Derry look to be the strongest team in 1A.

I wouldn't fancy the losers of this game to topple any of those Ulster sides.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 20/06/2014 19:51:27    1606635

Do you honestly believe underage success has nothing to do with senior?

Look at last year's two All-Ireland winners. Three of the last five Under-21 titles each in their respective codes.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 20/06/2014 19:55:39    1606639

I expect Meath to win this game.

Meath were close to getting promoted from a Division 2 that was full of very physical defensive teams, and Meath didn't look out of place against those tough team's.

While Kildare were unfortunate in some ways to relegated, they were playing as part of a very open and high scoring Division 1. Now it's championship, and things will get all ultra defensive again. Meath have been experiencing this type of football all through the National League, which I feel will give them a distinct advantage in this game.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3026 - 20/06/2014 20:07:49    1606648

A selector with the U21s in 2009 and 2010, Giles mourned the dwindling returns at underage levels.

"Westmeath beat us [in 2010]," he explained. "Sure, we thought we had a very good team that year. We had Damien Carroll and Graham Reilly and Paddy Gilsenan and Mark Collins (in attack).

"Brian Sheridan, Conor Gillespie was midfield. Bryan Menton and Ciarán Lenihan were on the team as well. There are probably others I'm leaving out. But John Heslin was very good that day and Westmeath beat us."

Four of those players - Menton, Gillespie, Reilly and Carroll - would prove pivotal to Meath's defeat of Kildare in this summer's Leinster semi-final. In a way, it was the perfect ambush and Giles admits as much. Kildare had beaten them time and again in recent years and Meath were perceived as a side in crisis but such subterfuge has been removed this weekend
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/forward-thinking-a-winner-for-resurgent-royals-201425.html

Interesting piece with an interview with Trevor Giles before the Leinster final in 2012. Raises interesting concerns about Meath at underage. Also, interesting that he describes the 2012 win as a classic ambush, a privilege that Meath won't have this time around. Unlike back then Kildare have been focused on this semi-final since the draw was done. They've been reading that Meath are Dublin's only real rival in Leinster for the last two years. I'm expecting a big response from an improving team and expect this match to be a key step in that improvement. Kildare to win by 4.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 20/06/2014 20:49:58    1606656

Not sure how many players Meath have left from the last time they bet us in 2012, but 10 players who featured for us against Louth weren't playing for Kildare that day so it probably has as little relevance as underage success has.

Both teams looked pretty similar against Louth and Carlow though to how they did in the O'Byrne Cup final,

Former_Poster
County: Meath
Posts: 190

Does anyone know if the losers of Meath/Kildare meet a team coming through the qualifiers from Round 1A or Round 1B?

We're on the B side of the draw.

It certainly looked the more difficult side when the provincial draws were made. Tyrone would be the ones to avoid, Down or Cavan would make for good games regardless of whether it's Meath or Kildare.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 20/06/2014 20:51:47    1606658

I think Meath are reading far too much into that win in 2012. That was a shocking display from Kildare and the first sign that team were in decline. We were equally awful against Limerick later on before getting hammered by Cork. Meath to their credit played really well and exposed Kildare folly of going for bulked up players rather than pacier ones.
The present team is completely different to that one in 2012 and full of young talented players who play the game at pace. The problems we had in the league were mainly due to the amount of defenders we had out injured. Most if not all will be available for next week and I actually think we can win this one by a few points.

murof (Kildare) - Posts: 480 - 20/06/2014 21:43:04    1606680

Not sure how many players Meath have left from the last time they bet us in 2012, but 10 players who featured for us against Louth weren't playing for Kildare that day so it probably has as little relevance as underage success has.

Both teams looked pretty similar against Louth and Carlow though to how they did in the O'Byrne Cup final,

Oh let me see well David Gallagher, Brian Farrell, Joe Sheridan, Jamie Queeney, Peader Byrne, Ciaran Lenihan, Shane McAnarney & Cian Ward are all gone from 2012, all bar Queeney started and he hit two points when he came on, there's probably more from the subs list gone as well, agree with your overall points though there is not much to choose between these teams and really it's a match that could really go either way.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3750 - 20/06/2014 21:55:42    1606684

I think Meath are reading far too much into that win in 2012. That was a shocking display from Kildare and the first sign that team were in decline. We were equally awful against Limerick later on before getting hammered by Cork. Meath to their credit played really well and exposed Kildare folly of going for bulked up players rather than pacier ones.
The present team is completely different to that one in 2012 and full of young talented players who play the game at pace. The problems we had in the league were mainly due to the amount of defenders we had out injured. Most if not all will be available for next week and I actually think we can win this one by a few points.

Oh believe me we are not reading into 2012 at all, we know Kildare were on the way down that year and the whole Seanie Johnson thing was a definite distraction and might I add a two fingered salute to those Kildare players that day, Meath played very well and deserved credit but Kildare did contribute to their own demise. Kildare may be different since then but so are we, I've listed in a previous post players who played that day that are no longer on the squad and like Kildare we have quite a youthful squad right now and that's a good thing, as I say lots of similarities really

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3750 - 20/06/2014 22:00:16    1606686

I wouldn't be that confident as a Kildare supporter. Meath are a good Croke Park team and are far more mobile than they have been in the past. Let's not forget that they played very well v Dublin last year. I know they are missing lads like Gillespie but a good, goal hungry forward line like that could get at least 3 goals against our leaky defence.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1172 - 21/06/2014 09:39:36    1606693

Richieq
I didn't realise that many Meath players had gone. So similar in many respects. Both teams rebuilding and both with injuries. Tough one to call. I'm going for a couple of points either way.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3038 - 21/06/2014 11:47:26    1606728

I would warn Meath supporters not to get overly optimistic about this game. I think it's 50/50 but the the knock-on effect of a loss for Meath will be huge. I've seen Meath win games like this before and confidence soars but when they lose the blame game and the finger pointing goes into overdrive.

It's a big game for the management of Meath as well because if it doesn't go well, they will come in for plenty of stick. I'm not saying that's justified or that I'll be one those giving out, but I know it's inevitable if they lose. Certain players will be made to be scapregoats. And as per usual, the county board will potentially get it because of the lack of "underage structures". The line about "not having a good midfielder since McDermott" will get thrown out!!

I'm not sure if you'd get a similiar outcry in Kildare? But from a Meath point of view, I hope we win as everyone has worked hard and maybe a lucky break or two would be welcomed. Having said that, I'm not that naive to think that a win is guaranteed and I certainly won't be one of those overreacting if we lose.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 21/06/2014 13:10:39    1606745

Jason Ryan won't be under any pressure if Kildare lose. If Meath lose MOD in theory shouldn't either, as it's only 2nd year in charge, especially after the recriminations and the fallout from banty's disasterous tenure.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3038 - 21/06/2014 13:55:13    1606751