Richieq
County: Meath
Posts: 1591
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Not a great one either Richie

Still in Div 2 are you not...

Although in terms of Meaths recent form

I guess staying in Div 2 is a bit of a bonus

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 19/06/2014 14:04:15    1606026

That Carlow game will have done absolutely nothing for Meath... NOTHING.

Awful preparation going into such a high profile grudge game...

Dub U-21's hammered Carlow off the pitch and then lost to Longford in the next game...

Kildare have had a very good victory against a fancied enough Louth team in Croke Park

I have no doubt that Kildare will come in with more in the legs and and at this time of year that's quite valuable... they have that advantage over Meath, and really with Kildare's recent record against Meath, they also have the mental fortitude and have little fear of a very average Meath team who are also missing key players.

Kildare have already put a supposed high flying Meath team to the sword this year...

Jason Ryan is a more experienced manager than MOD and IMO a better manager

Yep.. Kildare will win this game and MOD will start to come under the spot light soon after...


We know the Carlow match was no addition to Meath just as the Louth match was no addition to Kildare, unlike most Dubs I was in Croke Park early that day to see Kildare v Louth and Louth were truly shocking a fact that has been acknowledged by their own supporters and the national media so that knocks your theory on that.

Dublin U21's losing to Longford after hammering Carlow?????? Yes of course that has so much relevance to the Leinster Senior Champonship......NOT!!!

I don't think losing an O'Byrne Cup final by a few points constitutes being put to the sword, think that's a little exaggeration!!!!!!

Jason Ryan is a fine manager I would think but better than MOD??? Mmm I don't know what has he won?? Had the opportunity with Wexford to deliver a precious provincial
title but couldn't get over the line, had he done that then yes we could call him better then but maybe we will wait and see how his much he achieves before patting him on the back

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3750 - 19/06/2014 14:09:27    1606027

Kildare juniors beat Carlow last year. They're not Kilkenny but take out Murphy and they're not too far away.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 19/06/2014 15:26:21    1606083

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 5844

There is none so blind as those that don't want to see.

And likewise those that profess hate are in no position to be objective.

KildareKelly
County: Kildare
Posts: 197

As I said back in March on a posting re:Galway footballers, royal dunne's 'I will make no comment on management as that is an internal matter and no one else's business' is the most unintentionally hilarious comment ever on hogan stand.com.

I don't know, personally I think the one about our under 21's being "potential natural footballers" deserves to be up there.

It's like me being potentially 6'6. I just haven't grown the last couple of inches yet, haven't had a growth spurt since my mid teens so I should be due one sometime soon...

beir_bua
County: Kildare
Posts: 406

Why are people still talking about McGeeney? Ryan is building a new team. It might take them a while to get back to being a regular August team but they have every chance. There is emerging talent there particularly in the forward division for the first time since Doyle, Fennin, Sweeney and Brennan burst onto the scene together.

This Meath game will be the toss of a coin. Kildare are more inexperienced but Meath have quite a few injuries. I would not be surprised if Meath were a few points too good. I just hope the reaction from the Kildare support is not OTT if that happens. There's nothing to stop Kildare doing some damage in the qualifiers.

It'll take a while for Ryan to put his own mark on the team alright, but early on there seems to be a lot more pace and mobility around the middle eight than there has been for the past two years or so. Delighted to be proved wrong with McNally doing so well the last day too.

I think expectations were somewhat dampened heading into the championship this year, considering plenty of people didn't fancy us to beat Carlow I don't think anybody will be too disappointed if we were to lose to a Meath team that's a year further along with their manager.

Richieq
County: Meath
Posts: 1593

We know the Carlow match was no addition to Meath just as the Louth match was no addition to Kildare

The difference there though is that a fair few people thought Louth could beat Kildare.

Nobody, literally nobody thought Carlow were going to beat Meath.

In hindsight the Louth match isn't much of a reflection on where Kildare are at the moment, but heading into it there wasn't many who expected us to win so easily.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 19/06/2014 16:43:51    1606140

doublehop
County: Kildare
Posts: 3952

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Kildare juniors beat Carlow last year. They're not Kilkenny but take out Murphy and they're not too far away.

I would fancy that the Kildare juniors are quite a fine side capable of putting it up to much better sides than Carlow

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3750 - 19/06/2014 16:52:35    1606145

Look Carlow are not good. Louth are in turmoil. Neither are a good benchmark.
Who is worse coupled with who put them to the sword better are pointless arguments.
A lot will be determined by this game. I think with Menton back, g Reilly and Newman in better form, the steeliness of keoghan and k Reilly at the back along with tormy and McMahon in flying form we may just shade it. Meade and O'Rourke may not be completely fit but Kildare's weakest point is also midfield. So that should even things out Meath by 2/3.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/06/2014 17:09:12    1606157

The difference there though is that a fair few people thought Louth could beat Kildare.

Nobody, literally nobody thought Carlow were going to beat Meath.

In hindsight the Louth match isn't much of a reflection on where Kildare are at the moment, but heading into it there wasn't many who expected us to win so easily.


Well what peoe thought before hand is kind of irrelevant it's what happens on the pitch that counts and Louth, like Carlow, didn't really put up any resistance. I don't think peoples perception beforehand changes the reality of where both teams are at, which is going into a clash with each other as if it were their first game respectively

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3750 - 19/06/2014 17:16:18    1606162

Richieq excellent post.
Neither have been tested going into this. If Menton is back and Harrington, I'd say we may just do it.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/06/2014 08:03:31    1606272

Kildare have come over the test a fancied Louth team put up to them in impressive fashion. Meath bet a team who are down there with Kilkenny. 13 points isn't a huge point score to rack up though against a poor team.

I see us winning with a bit to spare. Ryan has them playing a good fast runing game with the man off the shoulder.

I'd also say that if Mickey Burke starts for Meath one of our corner forwards will have a field day.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 20/06/2014 12:01:40    1606384

I see the game as 50/50, Meath are consistently improving and this is a huge game in their development. If they were at full strength I think they would be definite favourites. We are at an earlier
stage in our development but we are definitely capable of winning if we bring our A game. It is hard to call but its a great game to look forward to especially in my part of the world. I am backing our young guns to shoot the scores to get us the win. Kildare by a couple.

NorthKildare (Kildare) - Posts: 197 - 20/06/2014 12:09:51    1606391

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 5852

1606272 Richieq excellent post.
Neither have been tested going into this. If Menton is back and Harrington, I'd say we may just do it.

Kildare are relying on a lot of young inexperienced players and it will be interesting to see how they cope with the pressure of what is essentially a derby game between neighbouring counties in Croke Park. There is a well known saying in soccer that you can't win anything with kids, for Kildare's sake I hope this doesn't turn out to be true.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 20/06/2014 12:56:50    1606412

Yeah Kildare need the experienced players to guide the young players who we are probably a bit too reliant on. Big games required from Bolton, McGrillen, O'Neill, Lyons, Callaghan. The one thing we have in our favour is that these players have a very strong record against Meath teams at all age levels. The mental block that Kildare players seem to have when facing Dublin doesn't exist when it comes to Meath.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 20/06/2014 13:04:15    1606421

I don't think comparing Carlow and Louth is a realistic way of comparing Meath and Kildare's performances. A more accurate barometer might be looking at both recent performances against Louth.
In april the royals scraped by Louth in the league (a point I think?) and then 9 weeks later Kildare beat them by 15. I doubt very much that Meath are now all of a sudden more than 15points better than Louth! Although there will be the argument that it was of course only the league when Meath beat Louth.

I think Kildare will be even stronger next day.

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1730 - 20/06/2014 13:08:43    1606425

bryanadams
County: Kildare
Posts: 446

1606412 royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 5852

1606272 Richieq excellent post.
Neither have been tested going into this. If Menton is back and Harrington, I'd say we may just do it.

Kildare are relying on a lot of young inexperienced players and it will be interesting to see how they cope with the pressure of what is essentially a derby game between neighbouring counties in Croke Park. There is a well known saying in soccer that you can't win anything with kids, for Kildare's sake I hope this doesn't turn out to be true.

Bryan,
Its a well known statement from Alan Hansen that ended up been repeated again and again because he was so wrong, not because it was true. Youth is hardly an excuse for failure, if they are too young then they should not make the team. If they are in the team they are up to a level and they are judged at that level. There is advantages to being experienced and there is advantages also in being young. Often a blend in the team is what works really well.

jonno (Kildare) - Posts: 261 - 20/06/2014 13:23:56    1606433

beir_bua
County: Kildare
Posts: 407

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Yeah Kildare need the experienced players to guide the young players who we are probably a bit too reliant on. Big games required from Bolton, McGrillen, O'Neill, Lyons, Callaghan. The one thing we have in our favour is that these players have a very strong record against Meath teams at all age levels. The mental block that Kildare players seem to have when facing Dublin doesn't exist when it comes to Meath.
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That's very true

Sure you have a smashing recent record against Meath

Kildare lads know all too well that they have every chance of beating Meath

And I think they'll do that very thing...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 20/06/2014 13:24:09    1606434

I don't think the fact that Kildare have young players will matter at all, we have a pretty young team aswell so there's no real difference there. Kildare hold all the aces in my view though, they have better backs, centrefield and forwards, more experienced manager and consistent wins over Meath at all levels over the past few years.

So I'd be very surprised if Kildare don't win this one handy, infact if I was a Kildare fan I'd be bitterly disappointed not to win this one, hope I'm wrong though.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 20/06/2014 13:43:03    1606445

Kildare have come over the test a fancied Louth team put up to them in impressive fashion. Meath bet a team who are down there with Kilkenny. 13 points isn't a huge point score to rack up though against a poor team.

I see us winning with a bit to spare. Ryan has them playing a good fast runing game with the man off the shoulder.

I'd also say that if Mickey Burke starts for Meath one of our corner forwards will have a field day.

Eh??? Test??? You must have been in that imaginary Croke Park full of fluffy teddies and flowers and where every game is a classic, preparing you brilliantly for the next opponent ..........Louth test my eye, and remember Carlow beat them in Leinster in 2011, sure 13 points isnt massive but don't ignore the 7 goals that came with them, I think when you score 7 goals you realise your going to win the game without having to split the posts as often!!

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3750 - 20/06/2014 13:43:13    1606446

I don't know why people are saying 13 points is not great to get against Carlow, we got 7 goals, for all of them they could've just tapped it over the bar but they wanted to go for goal, then a few other times when we went for goal it hit the crossbar or just went wide, those again coulve been points if they wanted.

meathalltheway (Meath) - Posts: 789 - 20/06/2014 13:46:37    1606450

There is always a great atmosphere and a bit of banter between supporters when Kildare play Meath, and I am sure many will stay on to watch the Dublin V Wexford game.

As a matter of interest, will posters be supporting, our neighbours Dublin or fellow rural county Wexford?

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 20/06/2014 13:57:26    1606459

daytona11
County: Kildare
Posts: 2570

Kildare have come over the test a fancied Louth team put up to them in impressive fashion. Meath bet a team who are down there with Kilkenny. 13 points isn't a huge point score to rack up though against a poor team.

I see us winning with a bit to spare. Ryan has them playing a good fast runing game with the man off the shoulder.

I'd also say that if Mickey Burke starts for Meath one of our corner forwards will have a field day.

Every team seems to become a poor team after we've beaten them.

Meath kicked 20 scores against Carlow, we kicked 23 against Louth. Either Meath kicked a load of wides or the Carlow keeper made a couple of saves, there's no way they'll get another 7 goals next weekend.

I've said it before, Meath playing Keogan at centreback will be a boost for our fullforward line. It's not as if we're just going to be lumping long balls in on top of O'Connor, quick ball into space for Kelly, Brophy and Fogarty to get onto, surely Meath will know they'll need their best corner back in his best position?

beir_bua
County: Kildare
Posts: 407

Yeah Kildare need the experienced players to guide the young players who we are probably a bit too reliant on. Big games required from Bolton, McGrillen, O'Neill, Lyons, Callaghan. The one thing we have in our favour is that these players have a very strong record against Meath teams at all age levels. The mental block that Kildare players seem to have when facing Dublin doesn't exist when it comes to Meath.

Good to see Bolton and Lyons back in some sort of form against Louth, Lyons over his injury and Bolton with the burst of pace that was so impressive in '10 and '11. McGrillen and especially Foley have both been off form the last year or so, McGrillen stepped up the last day, ideally though Peter Kelly would be ready to come in and go fullback. If Meath try and isolate Bray and Newman as a two man fullforward line then I'd definitely have more confidence in Kelly doing a job than Foley. O'Neill and Callaghan really add that bit of experience to the top 8, and both do a very good job of winning breaking ball around the middle, looks like it'll be hard for Flats to get his place back which is pleasantly surprising as he's been arguably our best forward this year.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 20/06/2014 15:23:28    1606505